Abigail or the villagers?

[Bard_13]

By far one of the more interesting choices as both groups are wrong.

Why Abigail is responsible for the appearance of the beast:

-Abigail seems innocent but the fact that she is a member of the cult of the lionheaded spider means that she is evil or at least that is the preception since the group kills and sacrifices innocents.
-If you let her get killed by the villagers she curses you with the name of the Lionheaded Spider
-Abigail profiteered from the odo and mikuls situations(selling poisons to odo and Ilysa)
-Abigail tempted Haren to sale weapons to Sociateal with the promise of sex
-Abigail tempts you with sex to help her not get lyched by the villagers
-Abigail had a doll of Odo
-Abigail could have orchestrated the whole thing so she could perhaps study the effects of the Hellhound and his minions on the villagers and at the same time make sacrifices to the Lionheaded Spider God with the villagers killed by the devil dogs,
-Ties into with last point=Abigail asks for Barghest skulls implying that perhaps she needed them for her own designs ?
-the hellhound once peered through the window of Abigails house meaning that she has done some great sin
-Abigail is helpful to you but she could be an opportunist using you to save herself from the villagers

Why the Villagers are responsible for the appearence of the best:

-the reverand sold children to Salamandra
-Mikul ♥♥♥♥♥ Ilysa with a group of salamandra initiates, she took her life by poison
-Odo killed his brother(when he was asleep using poison), odo also killed someone else since during his quest line you have to kill two Echniops which as we know sprout from murdered individuals, perhaps he killed his father too meaning that he always wanted to kill his brother and was not hexed by Abigail
-there is a team of echniops near the cave beneath vizima meaning that the villagers could have murdered more individuals
-Haren sold arms to both Sociateal and Salamandra and is a dice poker addict meaning he is just in it for the money and was never hexed
-Barghests appear when people have committed great sins, in the town you see that barghests spawn near houses meaning that a lot of villagers have done very bad deeds, a barghest also spawns outside the temple
-Abigail is probably not a practioner of the lionheaded Spider since there is no direct evidence of it but could be meerely studying it?

So which is the more logical choice? I picked to save Abigail because of the Odo evidence, Odo killed two people since there was two echniops so he planned out the murder of his brother since the very beginning. Haren was in it for the money, and Mikul ♥♥♥♥♥ Ilysa for cred with the salamandra but regretted it. The rev sold children to the Salamndra so all in all abigail was not responsible for those crimes.

[Ragnarök]

"-the hellhound once peered through the window of Abigails house meaning that she has done some great sin"

Alvin was also at the house, which is who the hound was chasing originally.

Most of what Abigail did was done as retribution against people who had slighted her in some way. Still a horrible human being, but she is the lesser evil as is implied by the arguments that you can present at the end of the chapter.

[dcain3456]

In act 4 giving up Abigail to the mob comes back to bite you hard. Abigail also helps you in the endgame if you let her live

[soldier6661111]

If she lives....sex.

[Dr.Fumetastic]

Originally posted by Bard_13:

Abigail tempts you with sex to help her not get lyched by the villagers

An act of desperation: She tries to guarantee her survival. There are people who would do worse things in such situations.

-Abigail could have orchestrated the whole thing so she could perhaps study the effects of the Hellhound and his minions on the villagers and at the same time make sacrifices to the Lionheaded Spider God with the villagers killed by the devil dogs,

I doubt it, the villagers would have lynched her quite quickly ( just as they planned).

If you let her get killed by the villagers she curses you with the name of the Lionheaded Spider

What would you do to someone who causes your death?

Abigail seems innocent but the fact that she is a member of the cult of the lionheaded spider means that she is evil or at least that is the preception since the group kills and sacrifices innocents.

I'm not sure I missed something but this seems new to me. I've never even heard of this cult until now( and didn't know she even was a member of it).

[Keman]

I believe the Cult of the Lionheaded Spider was touched on more in the books but they are a minor faction either way. We don't have a lot of information about them apart from the fact that they're a cult, and while cults are generally "evil" there are exceptions.

What you'll discover in Witcher is that there is no such thing as pure evil. Everything can be interpreted as either good or evil, it all depends on your perspective. There is never a "right" or "wrong" choice, just the one that you agree with the most. There is no moral black and white.

Major story spoiler: Even the Grandmaster's plan can be interpreted as good when you look at it from the right perspective. He sought to save humanity from the White Frost, and decided that the ends justified the means, which is very much a valid argument. His killings can be seen as sacrifices for the greater good of his species, and his opinion was that the elder races were merely relics of the past. Most will see this as wrong, of course, but you can also see how it could be right if you think about it.

[bungeh]

you can run into the lionhead spider cult's den in the sewers

[Blue_Shayde]

A bit old of a topic, but I usually choose Abigail. While she may have sold those poisons...that is no reason to kill her. That's like blaming the blacksmith of murder for supplying the sword that killed a person. In the end, its the way the person who had it used it that is at fault...not really the craftsman who made it. At least, that's how I see it.

Haren shows more then enough pride in supplying the Squirrels, and even deals with a child abduction ring of Salamandras...so I would never believe without proof that Abigail 'tempted' him into it. I'm sure he got into that mess himself, for money. And Odo, I agree, killed his brother and probably his father? for gold and wealth. Poor Odo's Dog, still guarding his true master's grave.

I never once feel guilty, no matter how many times I've replayed this game, for choosing Abigail over the villagers. And even then, Gerrault was willing to let them go so long as they did not harm Abigail. It was the Reverend, Odo, Haren, and some thugs that attacked afterward.

[Bard_13]

witcher 1 is such a good game. alongside 2 and 3. I wish there were more games like it.

[soldier6661111]

Originally posted by Bard_13:

witcher 1 is such a good game. alongside 2 and 3. I wish there were more games like it.

Wither 1 potion making was more fun and interactive. It's too automated in the third one of the series and doesn't seem like you need to even gather the items required except for the first time?

[Bard_13]

Originally posted by soldier6661111:

Originally posted by Bard_13:

witcher 1 is such a good game. alongside 2 and 3. I wish there were more games like it.

Wither 1 potion making was more fun and interactive. It's too automated in the third one of the series and doesn't seem like you need to even gather the items required except for the first time?

have you played witcher 3 yet? I agree alchemy is more automated in the third game but you still need to gather special ingredients to make potions and bombs. It just auto creates the potions, bombs, etc.. every time you rest as long as you have a pool of ingredients to restock them. Also it doesnt matter which alcohol you use to create potions in 3.

[soldier6661111]

Originally posted by Bard_13:

Originally posted by soldier6661111:

Wither 1 potion making was more fun and interactive. It's too automated in the third one of the series and doesn't seem like you need to even gather the items required except for the first time?

have you played witcher 3 yet? I agree alchemy is more automated in the third game but you still need to gather special ingredients to make potions and bombs. It just auto creates the potions, bombs, etc.. every time you rest as long as you have a pool of ingredients to restock them. Also it doesnt matter which alcohol you use to create potions in 3.

I have played it(haven't in a while and didn't get too far so plan on restarting), but I don't remember getting new supplies despite making more potions. I'll have to check next time I play. Witcher 1 was much better with regards to potion brewing. Wish it were an option, either automated brewing or the same/similar to the Witcher 1.

[Bard_13]

Originally posted by soldier6661111:

Originally posted by Bard_13:

have you played witcher 3 yet? I agree alchemy is more automated in the third game but you still need to gather special ingredients to make potions and bombs. It just auto creates the potions, bombs, etc.. every time you rest as long as you have a pool of ingredients to restock them. Also it doesnt matter which alcohol you use to create potions in 3.

I have played it(haven't in a while and didn't get too far so plan on restarting), but I don't remember getting new supplies despite making more potions. I'll have to check next time I play. Witcher 1 was much better with regards to potion brewing. Wish it were an option, either automated brewing or the same/similar to the Witcher 1.

there might be a mod which actually does this on nexusmods if your willing to look. In the mod you can create campfires just like the first game but i havent bothered installing it.

[soldier6661111]

Originally posted by Bard_13:

Originally posted by soldier6661111:

I have played it(haven't in a while and didn't get too far so plan on restarting), but I don't remember getting new supplies despite making more potions. I'll have to check next time I play. Witcher 1 was much better with regards to potion brewing. Wish it were an option, either automated brewing or the same/similar to the Witcher 1.

there might be a mod which actually does this on nexusmods if your willing to look. In the mod you can create campfires just like the first game but i havent bothered installing it.

I can't run it on my pc...Got it for PS4. Witcher 1 is on my pc, but the loading screens are killer.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

I don't think Abigail ever had a clean shoulder, right from the moment she stepped foot in the village. I do agree that its ridiculous of the villagers to shout out against the witch for every one of their problems just because the Reverend says so. But that piece of ♥♥♥♥ would just blame anyone for being practitioners whom the Eternal Fire waves as blasphemers. Besides the barghests keep appearing everywhere, and one before his house, which just shows that he's just as guilty as the witch. It did ick me to see the entire village killed for this one woman. But morality does agree that the evil ones must be face down on the dirt, no matter how many. So, yeah, all being said and in conclusion, I never felt guilty for choosing Abigail over the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Reverend. Sure, he did have to sell children out of fear of Salamandra, but if he truly believed that the Eternal Fire would save him from a creature as unnatural as the Hellhound, then why wouldn't he do the same with bandits? Salamandra may be no-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but seriously, for a man like that? That gives rise to the disagreement. Perhaps, he did share the same intentions as the Salamandra.

[Keman]

Originally posted by Bard_13:

Originally posted by soldier6661111:

Wither 1 potion making was more fun and interactive. It's too automated in the third one of the series and doesn't seem like you need to even gather the items required except for the first time?

have you played witcher 3 yet? I agree alchemy is more automated in the third game but you still need to gather special ingredients to make potions and bombs. It just auto creates the potions, bombs, etc.. every time you rest as long as you have a pool of ingredients to restock them. Also it doesnt matter which alcohol you use to create potions in 3.

Actually, in vanilla all you need is a single alcohol to restock all potions and bombs. It's extremely streamlined in the wrong way. Primer is a mod that fixes that, however.