Zeugl - Worst Fight in Witcher Series - Spoiler

[Stargeezer]

I am on medium level, have new armor, loads of bombs and alchemy, and have played Witcher 2 & 3 on max settings without problem. The Koschey was horrible but laughable (after hours of attempts) once you find you can just run around without equipping your weapon and kill it with Igni. The Zeugl I've tackled dozens of times. Obviously incorrectly, even after following all of the hints and UTube. The Beastiary says blades are useless on the fat squid, and I've hit it 12-15 times with Igni and he's still kicking. Combos don't work 90-percent of the time as you can't lock a target in the mob of tennacles (crowd helps but not much). Poison protection doesn't last long. I go in with a bag full of potions to heal, hit, restore, etc., and never got close (no indicator on Z's health) to beating him. I'm playing with Yeavinn, who is mostly injured laying in the muck or doing little if any damage to the tennacles. I tried running around and waiting for Z to appear then hit him with 3-4 Lvl 5 Ignis at a time without killing him.

For the 3rd time since I bought the original game, I'm deleting this ignorant piece of gaming comedy for good. When your armor and weapons and skills are rendered almost useless in a boss fight, I don't need the aggravation. Yup, I'm a terrible fighter, and am running away. If your blood pressure doubles while fighting this dude, I recommend you bail out also.

[Bryndzový podpecník]

I used Full moon and Maribor forest as they boost my health and endurance. Yes the fight is a bit long, but with these potions it's not so hard. You should use igni and then use your sword to attack him. Killed him on my first try on hardest difficulty.

[max.strauss]

Originally posted by Stargeezer:

I'm deleting this ignorant piece of gaming comedy for good. When your armor and weapons and skills are rendered almost useless in a boss fight, I don't need the aggravation.

Aha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYZsbmdpgKQ

(DL: hard)

[Stargeezer]

Originally posted by Ranger:

If you don't like the combat and don't want to learn how to improve, then why are you not playing on easy?

Beat him the first time I ever fought him on hard. Pretty much anything in the game can be killed in seconds with fully upgraded Igni, btw.

Why would I fully upgrade Igni on first launch of the game? There's a whole skill set to test and learn if you hadn't noticed. By the 3rd or 4th Act, you find that Aard or Igni are the only two signs that do anything in fight mode, but even then those take care of the bosses up to Zeugl.

My point was, in other RPG's you can craft and make the games's best weapons armor and spells or potions, and can easily upgrade your weaponry to suit your style. You can create the toughest character on other games, but in this first episode of the Witcher series, all of that means little. I played Witcher 2 & 3 on medium level without any problem. Since you played Hard on your first run, you are obviously a seasoned game veteran with the skill and a CPU that runs circles around a casual gamer like myself. I enjoy the story, questing, and exploring. Zeugl is simply a game ender for me as it serves no purpose - he's just another boss, but rendered stronger by gimmicks. I hope you find a harder game to play btw. It sounds like this one was boring for you.

[Stargeezer]

Thanks, Ranger. I've done a lot of the pre-fight gearing up with lots of potions, etc. The Armor quest armor seems to help with the normal monsters, I think it helps a little (as opposed to the standard armor). I'll give it a few more attempts - I don't like mods much, but this might be one situation to use it to simply complete the game. Appreciate the comments and the encouragement.

[Lil PeePee]

The zeugl is BS, but in the vanilla game it's not that bad - with the FCR mod, it's even worse.

My only advice would have been to make sure you have the best silver sword and igni fully upgraded.

Seriously, igni is so good it's unreal.

[max.strauss]

Originally posted by Mr. Build The Wall:

My only advice would have been to make sure you have the best silver sword and igni fully upgraded.

Originally posted by Ranger:

Keep spamming Igni as soon as you have the stamina to do so (Tawny Oil will allow this to recharge quickly).

No doubt: Igni is the King's Way of the Zeugl-fight.

Originally posted by Stargeezer:

Why would I fully upgrade Igni on first launch of the game? There's a whole skill set to test and learn...

But this argument must be taken seriously.

Originally posted by Stargeezer:

I am on medium level, have new armor, loads of bombs and alchemy...
When your armor and weapons and skills are rendered almost useless in a boss fight, I don't need the aggravation.

Hmh. Let's test if all these things are useless in this special boss fight - avoiding Igni. What could the player have learned until the beginning epilogue?

1. Quen helps a lot to protect Geralt.
2. Weapon enhancements shorten a fight. My choice: Perun Runestone for the silver blade.
3. Potions are very useful. My choice: Two potions enlarging damage (Wolf & Wolverine), 1 potion to avoid stun (willow). Here the Zeugl shall die by the sword, not by sign-power!

Let's see (DL: hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CVd4wxXcIU

Originally posted by Mr. Build The Wall:

The zeugl is BS...

Why? Do you think that a boss fight of 1 or two minutes is too long (on hard or harder)?

[Lil PeePee]

Well, as I said, it's not _so_ much BS in vanilla TW1 - it is, without a doubt, 100% BS with the FCR mod.

The tentacles do tons of damage, they're fast, and there's no were to hide.

My very first run of the game the zeugl didn't give me much of a challenge on the highest difficulty, but when I got there with FCR, it gave me a slice of humble pie.

[max.strauss]

Originally posted by Mr. Build The Wall:

Well, as I said, it's not _so_ much BS in vanilla TW1 - it is, without a doubt, 100% BS with the FCR mod.

The tentacles do tons of damage, they're fast, and there's no were to hide.

My very first run of the game the zeugl didn't give me much of a challenge on the highest difficulty, but when I got there with FCR, it gave me a slice of humble pie.

It didn't answer my question, nevermind, I have another one.

If I understand you right: If a boss fight doesn't give you much of a challenge on the highest difficulty, then you call it BS, but not_so_much. If you totally fail (FCR mod) then it's 100% ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Yes, that has its own logic.

Now my question: Which criteria has a boss fight of the type "No BS"? Is it possible anyway, or is there always a rest of - say - 0,01 % which makes all the boss fights BS?

[Lil PeePee]

Let me rephrase.

While it IS annoying (how about that for a phrase instead of BS?) WITHOUT FCR, it is definitely BS WITH it.

The reasons for which I already stated. By the way, I didn't fail the fight with FCR - it was quite an uphill battles and very frustrating, but I always prevail.

RE: your question: With a boss like this, a small sewer area where you're surrounded by constantly damaging (very much so, I might add) tentacles is a no-no. Couple that with the fact that Geralt can't heal quick enough and it gets VERY irritating.

The thing about FCR is it makes everything harder, so the zeugl's annoyances become more pronounced.

The rest of the bosses are fine.

tl;dr some of the things in the vanilla zeugl fight are annoying but very doable. Zeugl with FCR is INCREDIBLY annoying but still doable with the right setup. Igni is 100% necessary with FCR and, for some, quen would be too. I don't use quen but some people swear by it, I guess.

[Lil PeePee]

I'm not blaming the game, or at least not trying to - and the mod is nowhere close to badly designed. The developer of the mod got a job at CDPR.

But yes, perhaps trying other methods like quen back when I had issues would've helped.

[watchhimroll]

aerondight,argentia oil, strong style. have some white rarfford decoction handy

[RatBoy]

Has anyone else experienced a random 1HK during this fight? I can damage the ♥♥♥♥ out of this thing and take out all its tentacles in one hit, but each time either it or the tentacles will get one random hit in that just kills me dead. Full moon doesn't seem to have an effect on this. Got the special armor too

[hoskope]

Like all boss fights in Wicher I, at first it seems hard, but once you find a find it's kind of easy. When the tentacles raise, i usually used quen and then drink potions if needed, then with group style take care of tentacles and switch to strong with the boss torso, usually in the end before he goes under the water i put some igni, but my igni was far from maxed. I managed to kill him with just this technique and sword.

[TerracottaFred]

I'm a bit late to the party, but I'll just say I'm having the same experience. The Zeugl is making me seriously consider quitting the game. It is so infuriating and impossible and I don't understand why this boss fight is in the game.

[Dark_Sirian]

Originally posted by TerracottaFred:

...I don't understand why this boss fight is in the game.

TerracottaFred, pleeeease. Why do less talented players always think that everyone else is playing just as weakly as they do? Normally gifted (or even better players) would be deeply disappointed if there were no challenges.

Geralt can't be better than his master. And in your case, he's had a lot of bad luck.