Batman™: Arkham Knight

Batman™: Arkham Knight

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Feebs 2015 年 6 月 20 日 下午 12:53
Where the heck is the state national guard or even U.S. military in all of this?
Do they just never get deployed at all to Gotham because Gordon believes his PD and Batman can save the city or do they get deployed later on in the game once that private army comes in?
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Speziax 2020 年 11 月 24 日 上午 6:56 
引用自 A Son of a Shepard
This all takes place in one night. Gotham is in New Jersey(I think so)?

It will take a while for the national guard to mobilize and be armed enough to fight against a bunch of supernatural supervillians and an army itself.

...

Point is, US forces cannot do anything to Gotham supervillians.

But somehow the local police can?
最后由 Speziax 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 24 日 上午 6:56
Stormspark 2020 年 11 月 24 日 上午 7:20 
The same reason Superman or none of the other superheroes show up. It's a Batman game. So Batman has to solve everything. The game wouldn't be fun if Superman, the police, or the military showed up and got rid of all the villains for you.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SupermanStaysOutOfGotham
halbermensch999 2020 年 11 月 24 日 上午 7:38 
引用自 Speziax
引用自 FitzFarseer
There is a special place in hell for people who revive topics this old.

I guess I'm going to the seventh circle then.

Nah, people should learn to unsub
🖤Lyra🖤 2020 年 11 月 24 日 下午 1:05 
How dare you try and create logic.
El Shabs 2020 年 11 月 29 日 上午 1:15 
The only thing I could think of is if the government become too reliant on Batman and his team of heroes, it's basically a free "national guard" for Gotham as it's not funded by taxes so government cuts came in and the US ends up with a vastly reduced national guard/military? The same would apply to GCPD, they have Batman so they probably won't need to invest much money when you have Batman doing Batman things and dealing with all the big picture crime, and they can dress up janitors in police uniforms and get them to deal all the petty stuff. So when s**t goes down the police and government are utterly useless
最后由 El Shabs 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 29 日 上午 1:17
Speziax 2020 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:42 
引用自 Stormspark
The same reason Superman or none of the other superheroes show up. It's a Batman game. So Batman has to solve everything. The game wouldn't be fun if Superman, the police, or the military showed up and got rid of all the villains for you.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SupermanStaysOutOfGotham

... thus, the premise doesn't make sense within the limits of a Batman universe. It's still supposed to take place on Earth, in the modern day, right? Therefore, it's failing the 'suspension of disbelief' test. In this situation, the existence of superheroes (or billionaire detective) are paradoxically more believable than the national guard not showing up for such a situation. Such are the intricacies of fiction.

Upon further play, I noticed that the excuse given was that the National Guard wouldn't be there 'till the next day. But like I said, after what we've seen over the past several months, games like this are going to have to evolve. Corrupt and incompetent leadership has proven to us that when enough criminals get together, it's law enforcement itself that gets arrested - not the perpetrators against them.
Speziax 2020 年 12 月 2 日 下午 8:43 
引用自 El Shabs
So when s**t goes down the police and government are utterly useless

Just like in real life! :steamhappy:
halbermensch999 2020 年 12 月 3 日 上午 9:32 
引用自 Speziax
引用自 Stormspark
The same reason Superman or none of the other superheroes show up. It's a Batman game. So Batman has to solve everything. The game wouldn't be fun if Superman, the police, or the military showed up and got rid of all the villains for you.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SupermanStaysOutOfGotham

... thus, the premise doesn't make sense within the limits of a Batman universe. It's still supposed to take place on Earth, in the modern day, right? Therefore, it's failing the 'suspension of disbelief' test. In this situation, the existence of superheroes (or billionaire detective) are paradoxically more believable than the national guard not showing up for such a situation. Such are the intricacies of fiction.

Upon further play, I noticed that the excuse given was that the National Guard wouldn't be there 'till the next day. But like I said, after what we've seen over the past several months, games like this are going to have to evolve. Corrupt and incompetent leadership has proven to us that when enough criminals get together, it's law enforcement itself that gets arrested - not the perpetrators against them.

But you gotta remember that this can't be realistic. The amount of death caused by these supervillians is so high that many of them would be executed on the spot, if not by the police then by others.
Not even a smaller villian like riddler would have a chance to be free. How many did he kidnap in City?
It's not possible to apply modern life viewpoints in the Arkhamverse.
Speziax 2020 年 12 月 11 日 下午 6:15 
引用自 halbermensch999
引用自 Speziax

... thus, the premise doesn't make sense within the limits of a Batman universe. It's still supposed to take place on Earth, in the modern day, right? Therefore, it's failing the 'suspension of disbelief' test. In this situation, the existence of superheroes (or billionaire detective) are paradoxically more believable than the national guard not showing up for such a situation. Such are the intricacies of fiction.

Upon further play, I noticed that the excuse given was that the National Guard wouldn't be there 'till the next day. But like I said, after what we've seen over the past several months, games like this are going to have to evolve. Corrupt and incompetent leadership has proven to us that when enough criminals get together, it's law enforcement itself that gets arrested - not the perpetrators against them.

But you gotta remember that this can't be realistic. The amount of death caused by these supervillians is so high that many of them would be executed on the spot, if not by the police then by others.
Not even a smaller villian like riddler would have a chance to be free. How many did he kidnap in City?
It's not possible to apply modern life viewpoints in the Arkhamverse.


Well that's exactly the point. 'Knight' made me think about the lack of realism... the others in the series did not. It called attention to something obvious that would break the universe, and thus (once again), suspension of disbelief was no longer possible. They were for me in the other chapters of this series. I don't think you're trying to tell me that you can never enjoy fiction, or get into the world that it's presenting, right? The actions and circumstances of the characters have to make sense for any fantastical elements to be possible to accept, right? Not EVERYTHING about the Batman universe is unrealistic. The real-world elements are supposed to make sense, so that the fantastical ones can be superimposed on top of it. When the real-world elements aren't reflective of reality, it also breaks the ability to accept the fantastical. You understand that there are degrees to fiction and not everything is subject to "well, it's just a movie/novel/game... of COURSE it's unrealistic...", right???
Laqueesha 2022 年 5 月 24 日 上午 10:59 
ARNG did make an appearance in Dark Knight, evacuating people on the ferry.
Feebs 2022 年 5 月 24 日 下午 1:36 
引用自 Laqueesha
ARNG did make an appearance in Dark Knight, evacuating people on the ferry.

separate universes though. But I got that.
DarthBattlefront255 2022 年 5 月 24 日 下午 7:14 
Even though someone might have answered this, I will still state it

Theres several reasons, let me get them out
1: This is clearlly stated in the story, Jason brodcasted stating if anyone trys to get into Gotham to take on the militia, they planted bombs everywhere around Gotham ready to blow it to kingdom come.

2: Also even more stated in the Story, Jim tells Batman very early in the game assistance wasn't coming (mainly so the story would happen.) so they had to work with what they got.

3: This is more of a theory but I think this makes sense, but Gotham is crowded with super powered people (something people defiantly knew about) and crooks, and the Militia themselves all over the place, if the National Guard or the U.S army came in, it would probably be a blood bath. Also not to mention Scarecrows threat, which if the National Guard or U.S army came in, Crane (As far as they would have known during the story) would have covered the east coast with fear gas, so they aren't going to risk taking Gotham back with so many people at risk, and even if they knew his plan failed when Ivy stopped the gas that did get into Gotham, they still wouldn't know if Crane had more or not he could use (which he probably did and could use to a much smaller extent), same with the crooks, Militia, and super powered humans. (Yes I know Predator246 mentioned the fear gas part, I'm just adding on to what he said).

Hope this cleared up your question more
最后由 DarthBattlefront255 编辑于; 2022 年 5 月 24 日 下午 7:16
Frangdaddler 2022 年 5 月 25 日 上午 2:39 
a policeman in the gcpd says that since the civilians were evacuated, the military is not interested in what is happening there.
Smokey 2022 年 5 月 25 日 下午 2:21 
Gotham is Newark the city that us government tries to ignore exist

How can people from America know less about their own country than one from Denmark?
Speziax 2022 年 5 月 27 日 上午 12:38 
引用自 DarthBattlefront255
Hope this cleared up your question more

Alright, thank you. That is actually very helpful. :steamthumbsup:
最后由 Speziax 编辑于; 2022 年 5 月 27 日 上午 12:39
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