Spoilers – 4 Major Plot Holes & How I think the Story Should Have Been Written

[6bolt]

Here are some major plot holes that I found in Batman: Arkham Knight. Also, I did finish the game on PC at 100%. I used a AMD R9 295x card and got around 30fps at 4k.

#1 To get around the killing thing for Batman, they make the tanks drones, so there is no problem blowing them up with a cannon or missiles. But there is a huge flaw with this, not all tanks/machines are drones. All four boss battles with the batmobile, you are shooting at a tank or a machine driven by a human. So much for the drone excuse. Then Batman is using a cannon, which is just a big GUN. So Batman is shooting a gun at a person in all the batmobile boss battles. Thanks Rocksteady to staying true to being the Batman.

#2 Barbra Gordon commits suicide. I knew she wasn’t dead, but wondering how they were going to explain it. Batman cannot take the fear gas again, because it would let the Joker out. But I knew Rocksteady was being lazy with this game, and of course, they blame the false suicide on Batman taking the fear toxin when he sees Barbra committing suicide. But that would let the Joker out, but they don’t explain that at all. So lazy.

#3 Since Batman got Joker’s blood in Arkham City, he is slowly becoming a Joker himself. You see this as four other people got Jokers blood and turn into Jokers themselves. Just like Joker, their faces turn white, lips turn bright red, and their hair turns green. So there is a physical change happening, and appears to be a true sickness, like cancer. When Batman gets the fear toxin the third time (fourth time counting Barbra’s fake suicide), he thinks positively and beats the fear toxin and a miracle happens, as Batman is somehow cured from the Joker illness. So thinking positively and mentally fighting, Batman somehow cured himself of a physical illness. I can see this with the fear toxin, but total crap with the Joker illness. Also I guess the four other people couldn’t think positive enough and cured themselves through mental means. But the Batman can, that is just wrong and makes no sense at all.

This just pisses me off. I was diagnosed with cancer at 32, and now 39. My cancer is in remission after going through chemo. During this horrible time of my life, a lot of my friends didn’t want to talk to me about certain subjects about the cancer, and repeatedly told me that I just needed to think positively. But many psychologists warn against this because things can go bad. Then a person will think, I didn’t think positively enough and blame themselves. When going through a bad thing, like an illness, a person needs to deal with their problems. Not just try to ignore it and just think positive thoughts. That is very dangerous. So it is very bad showing that Batman can just physically cure himself of an illness by just dealing with it mentally. If I could have just cured myself of my cancer by just thinking positively, that would have been so much better than going through chemo. Also Barbra just needs to think positively to get out of that wheelchair. Total BS Rocksteady. Again, so lazy.

#4 Think about the Arkham Knight story. Jason Todd, the Arkham Knight is mad at Batman. One of the main reasons he is mad at him, is that he never killed the Joker. But then he hears that Batman kills the Joker. So what does he do, join up with Scarecrow and other villains to kill Batman. WTF?! That makes no sense at all. Then the Arkham Knight never mentions Joker through the whole story. Wouldn’t you think he would say, “I knew you didn’t kill the Joker,” or something liked that. Nope, Rocksteady just totally ignores it, even though Joker has flashbacks of Jason Todd. This is such a huge plot hole, you could drive a semi-truck through. Such a lazy story.

That are the 4 major plot holes that I found through the game. I just made the game stupid. Then mix in the overly done “I put my friends & family in danger” story, it just made the ending of this trilogy horrible. They just had one great idea, which was the Jocker, then gave a crap about the rest. Such laziness Rocksteady. Here is how I would change the Arkham Knight story.


Instead of having Jason Todd as the Arkham Knight, it should have been Bane, without the venom/titan fluid. In the comics, he stopped using it, but still a very good opponent. This would have been a good twist, as everyone would have thought it was Jason Todd. And then use Jason Todd later in the game, when Harley Quinn releases the Joker people. Instead of rescuing them in the theater, they escaped out into Gotham. Using his detective skills Batman can find the first three people, but as he fights his way towards them, he finds out that they have just been murdered by a mysterious person. When he gets to the fourth and last person, who should be the old guy, he finds out the mysterious person is Jason Todd as he kills the old man. Jason stayed hidden because he hated Batman, but when he heard that Batman killed the Joker, he comes out of hiding and went to Gotham. But the Scarecrow and Bane had other plans for Gotham which slowed him done. But when he found Batman’s hideout in the theater, he saw the Jokers escape and Harley Quinn moved in, and then trying to find and kill the Jokers. Batman is happy to see Jason, but Jason is so happy that Batman finally killed the Joker. But Batman tries to tell Jason he didn’t kill the Joker, but Jason is more worried about the 5th Joker, and the need to kill him. Then Jason finds out that Batman is the 5th Joker by seeing the green eyes on Batman or the old man dying and saying Batman is the last Joker. Then Jason goes crazy. He is finally happy with Batman because he thinks he killed the original Joker, but now knows he is the 5th Joker. This is when he puts on the red helmet and becomes the Red Hood and tries to kill Batman, because he knows he is the last Joker. This starts a boss battle, and at the end the Red Hood escapes. Then if the person get a 100%, they can fight Red Hood at the end, and can save Jason Todd or let him go and continue to be the Red Hood.

That would have been so much better than this lazy POS story Rocksteady gave us, with huge plot holes.

[halbermensch999]

Of course there are things which don't quite make sense (but realistically, what really does?) to me the biggest gripe with the story is that that the cloudburst release of the fear toxin doesn't really do anything. It should have changed everyone in the zone to some degree, riddler, Catwoman, the police officers, surviving thugs, militia men, Pyg etc etc... a lot of people were in that cloud.

But it's almost like it doesn't happen really at all, except to show off a cool graphics.

Jason is not really out to kill the joker though, he is brainwashed into hating Batman. This could have been used in the story as he could have seen the Joker in Batman and actually spared the Bat who he had so many chances to actually kill. And the joker hallucination could have said to the Bat that "ironically it ends up with me saving you".

[AR | jedidethfreak]

A few caveats:

-First and foremost, you don't know Batman if you think he doesn't kill, or doesn't use firearms. His "one rule" has never been "no killing," as he's killed throughout his history, and even in all of the Arkham games (he ended the Bane fight in the first one by hitting him with the Batmobile and drowning him in the river underneath said Batmobile). Frank Miller wrote him as a killer. Bob Kane CREATED him as a killer. Batman killed thousands of people in the movies up until Joel Schumacher started directing.

At best, you can argue his rule has been "no handguns," but even THAT can't be argued until it was written that he came from the rage and anguish of watching his parents get murdered by a street thug as a child.

-Barbara Gordon's suicide always seemed like a fear toxin-induced vision to me, even moreso during my second run-through. Joker saying "I can almost taste it!" pretty much confirmed it to me. As for "it'll release the Joker," the only person who ever said that WAS the Joker - who didn't get to take over during Cloudburst, which would have been the time to happen, if ever to happen before the end of the game.

-All I gotta say about the Joker cancer not affecting Batman the same way is that Batman had taken the Titan cure, and the other victims didn't. This may have had an inoculation effect, lessening and delaying the physical effects to a point where Batman's physical and mental toughness could drive it out.

-As for Jason Todd, it was never stated in Arkham Knight that Jason wanted Joker dead. It was made pretty clear that Jason was brainwashed by Joker to be his follower, which would mean that he'd want Joker to stay alive.

[Sph!nx]

It's fiction. Everything goes in this universe.

About the no killing rule; the first classic version of the Batman actually had a firearm. I know the concept evolved, but still nice to know.

[cEdge-01]

The only thing that is bothering me is when gordon finds out that Barbra works for Batman... didn't he knew about it at the end of the post arkham batgirl dlc when gordon says "I guess it runs in the family" ... I was like hold on... but didn't you know... huh?... what?

[RHICTKY]

I always thought that it was the massive amount of fear toxin Batman was given throughout the game that cured his disease. The physical effects anyway, Batman had to workout his psychosis on his own.

Also, obvious or not, Jason Todd was awesome.

[Stormspark]

None of this makes any less sense than what the Titan did in Arkham Asylum. Turning people into huge hulks in a matter of seconds? Where does the extra mass come from? It's comic book physics. NONE of this stuff is even remotely out of place in comic books. And ultimately, Batman is a comic book character so there is going to be comic book physics in games.

If you want a 100% totally realistic Batman, the closest you'll ever get is the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight trilogy. And even those are FAR from 100% realistic. They still use some comic book physics here and there, even though they tried to ground the stories in reality.

The grapnel gun is totally impossible to make in something that's small enough to hold in your hand with any technology known. The only material strong enough to do what it's depicated as doing, as the thickness depicted, is carbon nanotubes. And an engine powerful enough to do what it's shown doing would need a truck to carry it around in. And the best part, even IF the grapnel gun worked exactly as shown, it would cause severe stresses on the arms of whoever is using it. It would be very likely to pull their arm out of the socket. That's a lot of G forces to put on one arm.

Batman's cape also would not enable him to glide the way he does, at the size it is. In order to glide the way it's depicted, the cape's wingspan would need to be about 4x what is is (it would need to be about as large as a hang glider).

You're supposed to suspend your disbelief and just have fun with it.

[Sgt. Pepper]

All because they (WB) didn't want to pay Paul Dini to write...

WB cheaped out bigtime on this game..... and it totally shows

[Pyro Penguin]

1) meh I can live with it
2) the joker is closer to being freed every time batman is exposed to the gas, there are multiple other times when batman comes in contact with the fear gas throughout the game, and the joker seems to appear more frequently after each time
3) agree, when the old man turned joker and batman learns there is no cure, I expected that to hold true, I thought the end would be that batman would inevitably turn into a joker and that was why he was going to give up being batman (maybe he thought that and that's why he let scarecrow unmask him?) Either way that was a crappy way for batman to 'cure' himself
4) I liked Jason Todd being the arkham knight, but I didn't like that they made his identity so obvious, by the time they revealed him everyone was already 100% sure who it was

[nXane]

Originally posted by Saerydoth:

If you want a 100% totally realistic Batman, the closest you'll ever get is the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight trilogy. And even those are FAR from 100% realistic. They still use some comic book physics here and there, even though they tried to ground the stories in reality.

The grapnel gun is totally impossible ...

Batman's cape also would not enable him to glide the way he does, at the size it is...

Who asked for a 100% realistic batman exactly? What does it have to do with the main subject at hand anyway? No one who bought or rented this game have complained about that. Simply because the universe is unrealistic , doesn't mean we cant have a decent story.

[baka.cdaz]

Just find some girl who sided with villian and good at actig let her have some face and sound surgery and shot herself with fake gun.And use some drug to lower her pulse.

Acually the don't even need surgery.There are full of superpower villian in the city
someone might be use power to chage her form just like Clayface.

Faking Babara Death is very easy fear gas and Joker make him paranoid.
Batman don,t even dare to check her body.
How can he know that really her or whoever in the cell is really die.

[halbermensch999]

Well, for the story to make sense he should of course have taken her corpse to her father.

[nzfade]

The whole arkham knight makes no sense as the bat cave and alfred weren't attacked.......why?

[Heydeez]

yeah we even saw the batcave in one of the trailers

Originally posted by nzfade:

The whole arkham knight makes no sense as the bat cave and alfred weren't attacked.......why?

[Marshen]

Originally posted by nzfade:

The whole arkham knight makes no sense as the bat cave and alfred weren't attacked.......why?

Because it's not in the playable area.

[Heydeez]

What's up with the police in Batman: Arkham Knight?

#1
Gordon says "we just don't have the manpower"... I mean there should be like thousands of police officers working at the department. We only see what, 20? (Except for the ones of duty). The riot police can handle the various riots occurring across the city, The swat teams can handle the bank robberies and the weapon caches.

#2
In the knightfall protocol full ending we can see police cars and swat vans rolling out to take the city back. So 20 patrol cars and 2 swat vans can take back Gotham city, dozens of district and hundreds and hundreds of thugs?

#3
During the assault on gcpd with the drone tanks. The officers in the precinct acted as if Batman was the only one that could save them from the attack but there's RPGs and rocket launchers in the evidence room. They could of at least tried using them to help Batman out?

#4
Every patrol car chasing thugs or being chased always has the same guy driving....

#5
The cops didn't even attempt to take on the Arkham Knights forces, I mean at least try?

#6
So when Batman finds out Scarecrow is hiding in ace chemicals Batman tells Gordon to round up officers and meet him at the factory. Gordon rounds up like 5 men, seriously?! They know there's gonna be a lot of Scarecrows men inside the facility and he brings 5 officers?!