Lethal force?

[Axeface]

I havent got this game yet, I will at some point - but first, I have a question for those that are (able) playing it.

Why is Batman using lethal force? Isn't it pretty much central to Batmans character to never use lethal force? It seems so out of character to drive around in a tank murdering hundreds of people, and in Gotham city proper, no less?

Is this explained in the game? Somehow justified (I cant see how batman would justify it).

[Blademaster]

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

Originally posted by SirJavalot:

I havent got this game yet, I will at some point - but first, I have a question for those that are (able) playing it.

Why is Batman using lethal force? Isn't it pretty much central to Batmans character to never use lethal force? It seems so out of character to drive around in a tank murdering hundreds of people, and in Gotham city proper, no less?

Is this explained in the game? Somehow justified (I cant see how batman would justify it).

Do you -honestly- believe that with all of the bone breaking and head-punching that -none- of the baddies have suffered internal bleeding? Cranial damage? Or heart failure due to physical shock?

Honestly?

Comicbook logic.

If they aren't shot in the face (shot anywhere else is usually fine), decapitated, or burned to ash, then they are fine. Even if they're hit with enough force to kill with a blunt weapon, it only knocks them out.

[ChubbiChibbai]

I like the fact that he goes out of his way to avoid killing others and that some of the villains really play on this and use it against him. Its a good story mechanic.

I have a question though for any Batman fans - at any point in any of the batman stories has he eventually lost it and murdered people?

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

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[Blademaster]

Originally posted by dirtyCAT:

I like the fact that he goes out of his way to avoid killing others and that some of the villains really play on this and use it against him. Its a good story mechanic.

I have a question though for any Batman fans - at any point in any of the batman stories has he eventually lost it and murdered people?

Nope. DC is very strict on letting Bruce Wayne's Batman do that. Pre Silver Age he did though (Detective comics from 1939 era), and he used guns, but modern day Bruce Wayne Batman does not do such things. Apparently he has no issue with killing aliens though.

In Batman History though there were examples of someone posing as or replacing (Bruce Wayne) Batman who took on more brutal tactics, including killing.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Lockmort:

Do you honestly believe that a billionaire who's parents got killed when he was a kid, takes on a secret identity to fight evil supervillains with extraordinary powers?

There is nothing 'supernatural' about Batman.

In fact, the 'only' supernatural thing about Batman would be his ability to crack someone's head against concrete without killing them.

So, yeah, I would actually find the idea of Batman a lot easier to believe than believing that I can run someone over with a several ton tank (batmobile) without killing them.

[EbonHawk]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

It was likely a glitch but one time the game was accurate when I t-boned a car into a building using turbo detective mode registered them as dead.

I swear there are times when I smash into a vehicle at insane speeds and the thugs inside die. Have to.

[Rando Butternuts]

Throws somone into an active, high voltage light. After you use non-lethal rounds on enemies from the Batmobile you can then continue to shoot them with normal 60mm rounds. Someone gets hit by the Batmobile and somehow only gets electricuted... All of these are efforts to keep Batman from killing people, but we know that none of these guys survived.

[H.E.]

Come to think of it, it's quite hypocritical that Batman has a code of not killing but is okay with cops using guns to kill criminals (or even his allies). Of course this topic is not touched upon cause GCPD is next to useless.

[Murphy]

Earth Two Batman used guns, Arkham Batman doesn't kill, but is fine with breaking arms and cracking skulls. One of the problems I have with this game is that it streches the suspension of disbelief around the no kill rule way too far.

Originally posted by H.E:

Come to think of it, it's quite hypocritical that Batman has a code of not killing but is okay with cops using guns to kill criminals (or even his allies). Of course this topic is not touched upon cause GCPD is next to useless.

I believe the distinction in Batman's mind is that A. Police have state sanction to take lives in defense of others, Batman does not, and B. Batman has the training, conditioning and technology to take down crooks without having to resort to guns, whereas Beat Cops are just normal men and women.

He's not against use of deadly force by law enforcement and the justice system, he simply recognises that he isn't part of that system.

[bloodyrave]

I'm not too sure anyone would want to play a Batman game where you vulcan nerve pinch criminals unconsious and drive cautiously.

[Tomahawk]

Originally posted by Warlord:

Batman literally kills all enemies with blunt force trauma.

And the developers simply claim they are unconscious. Yeah they are unconscious because they died...

lol, truth.

[H.E.]

Originally posted by Murphy:

I believe the distinction in Batman's mind is that A. Police have state sanction to take lives in defense of others, Batman does not, and B. Batman has the training, conditioning and technology to take down crooks without having to resort to guns, whereas Beat Cops are just normal men and women.

He's not against use of deadly force by law enforcement and the justice system, he simply recognises that he isn't part of that system.

He doesn't have the saction to beat the crap out of crooks either. The way I see it, either he refuses to use guns because of the way his parents died or he really might become the Joker in the slippery slope to pysco killer sense.

Although was there an explanation why there was a change in gun usage between the Silver Age Comics and after.

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by H.E:

Originally posted by Murphy:

I believe the distinction in Batman's mind is that A. Police have state sanction to take lives in defense of others, Batman does not, and B. Batman has the training, conditioning and technology to take down crooks without having to resort to guns, whereas Beat Cops are just normal men and women.

He's not against use of deadly force by law enforcement and the justice system, he simply recognises that he isn't part of that system.

He doesn't have the saction to beat the crap out of crooks either. The way I see it, either he refuses to use guns because of the way his parents died or he really might become the Joker in the slippery slope to pysco killer sense.

Although was there an explanation why there was a change in gun usage between the Silver Age Comics and after.

The no-kill thing is actually kind of recent.

One very prominent example being the 1989 Batman movie, Batman made use of live rounds and rockets from his Batwing, and deliberately killed the Joker in the end, which is actually 4 full years after the end of the Bronze Age of Comics, and the beginning of the Modern Age.

[Murphy]

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

Originally posted by H.E:

He doesn't have the saction to beat the crap out of crooks either. The way I see it, either he refuses to use guns because of the way his parents died or he really might become the Joker in the slippery slope to pysco killer sense.

Although was there an explanation why there was a change in gun usage between the Silver Age Comics and after.

The no-kill thing is actually kind of recent.

One very prominent example being the 1989 Batman movie, Batman made use of live rounds and rockets from his Batwing, and deliberately killed the Joker in the end, which is actually 4 full years after the end of the Bronze Age of Comics, and the beginning of the Modern Age.

Batman's no kill rule was first set down in the 1940's in Batman #4. There have been works that have departed from that of course, but that's the nature of the loose continuity of comic books. No kill Batman appears more then "curbstomp guys and carry a gun" 1939 style Batman.

[Axeface]

Originally posted by Murphy:

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

The no-kill thing is actually kind of recent.

One very prominent example being the 1989 Batman movie, Batman made use of live rounds and rockets from his Batwing, and deliberately killed the Joker in the end, which is actually 4 full years after the end of the Bronze Age of Comics, and the beginning of the Modern Age.

Batman's no kill rule was first set down in the 1940's in Batman #4. There have been works that have departed from that of course, but that's the nature of the loose continuity of comic books. No kill Batman appears more then "curbstomp guys and carry a gun" 1939 style Batman.

And a murderous Batman would be absolutely destructive to his persona. I would not be interested in a murderous thug batman in the slightest, the only reason I am interested is because he is an image of pure true justice.

This is fantasy guys.... yes he smashes criminals faces into walls in ways that would leave them dead or braindead, but... it's fantasy.