[ SPOILER ] So. Why didn't Barbara tell Batman who Arkham Knight was?

[Igris]

After you complete all the riddler quests in Arkham Knight HQ, you get tapes for Arkham Knight, those tapes will play conversations between Barbra, Scarecrow and Knight.
At the end of the first tape, Knight comes in and tells crane to get out, on the second tape Knight and Barbra have a talk about Batman and his mission, by the end of the tape Knight removes his helmet and shows his face, Barbra recognizes Jason and is shocked. In the third tape she begs him to come back to the mansion and that they can help him.

All of this takes place before the Cloudburst is released, so why didn't se tell Batman after he saved her who Knight was? She didn't even try, I get that it's not an easy thing to reveal to someone who like Batman who still hates himself for what happened to Jason, but still, I think she should've told him at one point before going against the knight. I think that might've been a vital information to reveal since Batman was struggling to find out who Knight is.

[Holografix]

ahh, this is a good find. Perceptive. You might be the world's greatest detective after all.

[Igris]

Originally posted by Holografix:

ahh, this is a good find. Perceptive. You might be the world's greatest detective after all.

It's one of those things that once you find out you just wonder if this was just poor writing on that part or a detail that got overlooked. As far as I am aware, there is no explaination for this, I do hope after the game Alfred and Barbra told Nightwing and Robin about Jason and they tried to help him or something.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧Casey:

Originally posted by Holografix:

ahh, this is a good find. Perceptive. You might be the world's greatest detective after all.

It's one of those things that once you find out you just wonder if this was just poor writing on that part or a detail that got overlooked. As far as I am aware, there is no explaination for this, I do hope after the game Alfred and Barbra told Nightwing and Robin about Jason and they tried to help him or something.

Maybe a goof on the part of the writing team,

OR

It could be that Barbara doesn't tell Batman about Jason because SHE KNOWS THAT IF SHE TELLS, JASON WON'T TRUST HER EVER AGAIN. IF SHE WAS TRYING TO GET JASON TO RETURN TO THE MANSION, BREAKING HIS TRUST WOULD BE THE WORST THING TO DO.

So that's the reason.

Barbara did the smart thing, as sometimes a secret is a very strong bond. Those people all know what it is to have SECRET identities.

[Igris]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧Casey:

It's one of those things that once you find out you just wonder if this was just poor writing on that part or a detail that got overlooked. As far as I am aware, there is no explaination for this, I do hope after the game Alfred and Barbra told Nightwing and Robin about Jason and they tried to help him or something.

Maybe a goof on the part of the writing team,

OR

It could be that Barbara doesn't tell Batman about Jason because SHE KNOWS THAT IF SHE TELLS, JASON WON'T TRUST HER EVER AGAIN. IF SHE WAS TRYING TO GET JASON TO RETURN TO THE MANSION, BREAKING HIS TRUST WOULD BE THE WORST THING TO DO.

So that's the reason.

Barbara did the smart thing, as sometimes a secret is a very strong bond. Those people all know what it is to have SECRET identities.

Could be, but honestly I kinda doubt it was that and not saying your assumption is bad or anything, it's good and all, but I honestly doubt he cares about her trust, his main focus is killing Batman. Doubt he cares about her trust, only cared for her well being. Even if she told him who Knight was, it was still Batman that turned Jason to the "good side". He did sell her out to capture her, maybe he also wanted, or at the very least, hoped she would tell him if he rescued her? Cause Jason wanted to Batman to know who he was before he killed him.

This should've been explored more imo. This is kind of a wasted potential. Scarecrow and Jason did take her father after Batman rescued her, so she could've told him out of the fear for her father, but then again, she knew Jason wouldn't kill him, since he wasn't fully on Scarecrow's side.

A bit off topic
Honestly, this whole "mystery" behind Arkham Knight in general was written poorly imo, it was around that time when Red Hood was gaining popularity and doubt rocksteady was gonna pass on the chance to introduce Red Hood.
Also since everyone knew Jason's backstory back then, you could've just put two and two together.

I love Red Hood and all, but this version wasn't that great

Side note: when you mentioned secret identities, I just remember Jason during his boss fight calling Batman "Bruce" few times while his soldiers were around, kinda made laugh that he is just straight up telling his name and the soldiers just don't seem to care.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧Casey:

Originally posted by Holografix:

Maybe a goof on the part of the writing team,

OR

It could be that Barbara doesn't tell Batman about Jason because SHE KNOWS THAT IF SHE TELLS, JASON WON'T TRUST HER EVER AGAIN. IF SHE WAS TRYING TO GET JASON TO RETURN TO THE MANSION, BREAKING HIS TRUST WOULD BE THE WORST THING TO DO.

So that's the reason.

Barbara did the smart thing, as sometimes a secret is a very strong bond. Those people all know what it is to have SECRET identities.

Could be, but honestly I kinda doubt it was that and not saying your assumption is bad or anything, it's good and all, but I honestly doubt he cares about her trust, his main focus is killing Batman. Doubt he cares about her trust, only cared for her well being. Even if she told him who Knight was, it was still Batman that turned Jason to the "good side". He did sell her out to capture her, maybe he also wanted, or at the very least, hoped she would tell him if he rescued her? Cause Jason wanted to Batman to know who he was before he killed him.

This should've been explored more imo. This is kind of a wasted potential. Scarecrow and Jason did take her father after Batman rescued her, so she could've told him out of the fear for her father, but then again, she knew Jason wouldn't kill him, since he wasn't fully on Scarecrow's side.

A bit off topic
Honestly, this whole "mystery" behind Arkham Knight in general was written poorly imo, it was around that time when Red Hood was gaining popularity and doubt rocksteady was gonna pass on the chance to introduce Red Hood.
Also since everyone knew Jason's backstory back then, you could've just put two and two together.

I love Red Hood and all, but this version wasn't that great

Side note: when you mentioned secret identities, I just remember Jason during his boss fight calling Batman "Bruce" few times while his soldiers were around, kinda made laugh that he is just straight up telling his name and the soldiers just don't seem to care.

I see what you're saying, and i still agree with you that it is kind of a 'plot hole.' But, there are ways to rationalize some reasons why Barbara did not tell Batman who the Arkham Knight actually was, even after Jason revealed himself to her.

Barbara is very tough, and able to keep secrets. She's not going to tell Bruce everything, and mainly because she's probably used to Bruce being one or two steps ahead of her anyway.

I still think Batman: Arkham Knight is a fantastic game and the best of the Rocksteady Batman games. When I played the game (twice, regular and New Game Plus too) my immersion wasn't broken because even I didn't notice this plot hole you discovered.

[Igris]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧Casey:

Could be, but honestly I kinda doubt it was that and not saying your assumption is bad or anything, it's good and all, but I honestly doubt he cares about her trust, his main focus is killing Batman. Doubt he cares about her trust, only cared for her well being. Even if she told him who Knight was, it was still Batman that turned Jason to the "good side". He did sell her out to capture her, maybe he also wanted, or at the very least, hoped she would tell him if he rescued her? Cause Jason wanted to Batman to know who he was before he killed him.

This should've been explored more imo. This is kind of a wasted potential. Scarecrow and Jason did take her father after Batman rescued her, so she could've told him out of the fear for her father, but then again, she knew Jason wouldn't kill him, since he wasn't fully on Scarecrow's side.

A bit off topic
Honestly, this whole "mystery" behind Arkham Knight in general was written poorly imo, it was around that time when Red Hood was gaining popularity and doubt rocksteady was gonna pass on the chance to introduce Red Hood.
Also since everyone knew Jason's backstory back then, you could've just put two and two together.

I love Red Hood and all, but this version wasn't that great

Side note: when you mentioned secret identities, I just remember Jason during his boss fight calling Batman "Bruce" few times while his soldiers were around, kinda made laugh that he is just straight up telling his name and the soldiers just don't seem to care.

I see what you're saying, and i still agree with you that it is kind of a 'plot hole.' But, there are ways to rationalize some reasons why Barbara did not tell Batman who the Arkham Knight actually was, even after Jason revealed himself to her.

Barbara is very tough, and able to keep secrets. She's not going to tell Bruce everything, and mainly because she's probably used to Bruce being one or two steps ahead of her anyway.

I still think Batman: Arkham Knight is a fantastic game and the best of the Rocksteady Batman games. When I played the game (twice, regular and New Game Plus too) my immersion wasn't broken because even I didn't notice this plot hole you discovered.

Yea ig, but still, even if she knew, she could've brought it up at one point. Even after he captured Crane.
I wish they focused on the story a bit than those stupid riddler puzzels.

I like this game, but riddler, deathsyroke boss fight and arkham knight mystery were the biggest dissapointments imo.

[Holografix]

i thought the Riddler trophies were a really fun part of the game. The Riddler car races weren't so fun, but hunting for the riddler trophies was a high point in the game. IMO, of course.

[Bruce Wayne]

Snitches Get Stitches

[Igris]

Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:

Snitches Get Stitches

I am convinced that is the reason. Good job.

[Igris]

Originally posted by Holografix:

i thought the Riddler trophies were a really fun part of the game. The Riddler car races weren't so fun, but hunting for the riddler trophies was a high point in the game. IMO, of course.

Some were fun, some just simply weren't. I don't think RIddler understands riddles sometimes.

[chipperMDW]

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧Casey:

I don't think RIddler understands riddles sometimes.

Of course, that's the point, right? He's smart, but not quite as smart as he thinks he is. And certainly not smart enough to justify the level of arrogance he displays. Hints of his ignorance are constantly leaking through his dialogue and actions, which makes his smugness that much more infuriating. The fact that his "riddles" are largely glorified scavenger hunts or obstacle courses is part of that.

Remember the following exchange?

Catwoman: How is this [giant grinder trap] a riddle, Eddie?

Batman: You get used to it.

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧Casey:

I don't think RIddler understands riddles sometimes.

Of course, that's the point, right? He's smart, but not quite as smart as he thinks he is. And certainly not smart enough to justify the level of arrogance he displays. Hints of his ignorance are constantly leaking through his dialogue and actions, which makes his smugness that much more infuriating. The fact that his "riddles" are largely glorified scavenger hunts or obstacle courses is part of that.

Remember the following exchange?

Catwoman: How is this [giant grinder trap] a riddle, Eddie?

Batman: You get used to it.

Except the giant grinder trap is a riddle. You can just pounce to the ceiling and avoid the whole thing instead of dodging and ducking under. You can even jump down and stand next to Batman while the grinders are going and just watch.

[Igris]

Originally posted by loganjamesalex:

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

Of course, that's the point, right? He's smart, but not quite as smart as he thinks he is. And certainly not smart enough to justify the level of arrogance he displays. Hints of his ignorance are constantly leaking through his dialogue and actions, which makes his smugness that much more infuriating. The fact that his "riddles" are largely glorified scavenger hunts or obstacle courses is part of that.

Remember the following exchange?

Except the giant grinder trap is a riddle. You can just pounce to the ceiling and avoid the whole thing instead of dodging and ducking under. You can even jump down and stand next to Batman while the grinders are going and just watch.

I might be the only one but I hat how some riddles are actual riddlers and then some just aren't. It was a bit tilting when you went from like a fun riddle to a not so fun ones.

[chipperMDW]

Originally posted by loganjamesalex:

Except the giant grinder trap is a riddle. You can just pounce to the ceiling and avoid the whole thing instead of dodging and ducking under. You can even jump down and stand next to Batman while the grinders are going and just watch.

Except that's not at all what a riddle is. If you want to be generous, you can call it a puzzle, but not a riddle.

[Devsman]

Maybe the conversation never happened. Maybe the Arkham Knight wasn't actually Jason. Maybe she did tell him but he hallucinated that she said something else. Maybe Batman spends the rest of the game crying and hallucinating on the floor of the Ace Chemical plant.

Batgirl dying didn't happen. The whole "transfusion patients are all turning into Joker" subplot almost certainly didn't happen. What's a plot hole or two?