Did I miss a game or something?

[Blehh.....]

I played Asylum, City, Origins and now starting on Knight and I'm about 7% into the story now (according to the main menu) already the game is referencing characters I've never met or met but don't know much about. Who the hell is Louis Fox? The new CEO of Wayne enterprise?? How?? Why? What happened to Bruce running the business? How does he know Bruce = Batman??

Barbara - how did she get in a wheel chair? What happened to her? I saw her walking fine with her nice legs in origins during our short meeting before being blasted away by the SWAT... Someone break her legs or something? Or she just prefers sitting in a wheel chair having fun on it on a mobile wheelie chair? What about her hots for Robin? When did that come around?? Does Robin like her back in the same way??

Island names, what happened to coventry, browey, industrial and all those other names? Where are they?? Did they get renamed or is this a new area of gotham that hasn't been explored yet in City or in Origins?

And who is this "Dark Knight" who seems to know Batman but he doesn't even remember him at all? Wait....could it be that Deathpool guy...? I know I would want a rematch after being pounded by my equal(or someone who seems to be on my level in combat at least and would be able to trade blows longer than a second) just to spite them and make myself feel proud and better about myself...

Are these games in the same world as the other source materials like the comics (which I presume you would need to read to catch up on some things referenced in this game...?) or the batman movies or is this is a different take on gotham like a "what if" fan fic?

I thought it was a quadrology....maybe there's a 5th one that I was suppose to play before Knight, so it would be a quintology...unless these are plot holes....probably more as I go through the story missions...

Also while we're on the subject, why are we still upgrading Batman's abilities that have been available in the previous three games? You would think by now Batman has mastered these new abilities and moved on to new abilities. I mean, why do I need to relearn how to "critical strike" a counter when I was able to do that in City? Or being able to quick fire my batclaw to disarm an armed person. Shouldn't Batman remember how to do it back in when we were playing as him in City?

Knight comes after City, in chronological order sense, yes? Then if someone was to max their character level and unlock all skill sets and abilities in City, those same skillsets should then be already unlocked for use in Knight as well! It doesn't make sense... And I know Batman is not the lazy type to not bother learning new skills and feats so you can't say "Oh but Batman doesn't go hardcore grind experience and learning these new abilites like you if you play as him in that sense" because he does and will use every advantage he can against criminals he meets including but not limited to mastery of gadget use and hand to hand finesse in combat and predatory areas.

[MASTAN]

Lucius Fox - like everyone else, character from comics.

Barbara and chair - also story from comics, play further to see what happened.

Dark Knight - you'll know near game ending. If you read comics you could have already guessed.

Islands - yes, this area is new. Gotham consists of several islands, Origins has one island from the City game. If you look around you can see those islands afar.

This game continues events of Origins, Asylum and City. In that order. Not some fic.

Abilities - I guess devs wouldn't want overpowered character from the start. You could also ask why Batman forgot some moves from Origins in Asylum.

[Devsman]

I was lost af in Asylum when this Batman guy, this The Joker guy and this Commissioner Gordon guy all got introduced in one cutscene right at the start.

On a more serious note, they answer most of this later.

[doomedSniper]

Wait till Nigma come into the story, the least I can say that you'll forget about asking anything about the other characters after that point.

[D'Harhan]

My Advice; Play them in this Order, Arkham's Origins, Asylum, City, Knight...

... And This Time PAY ATTENTION.

[chipperMDW]

Lucius (not Louis) Fox was there in Arkham City... sorta. Remember when he contacted Batman to let him know that WayneTech had developed a cure for the Titan poisoning, leading to the side mission The Cure? Well, if you played the side mission, you know it turns out that's not exactly what happened, but Lucius was referenced way back then. Lucius's awareness of Batman's identity varies depending on continuity and point in time. In these games, he knows.

Barbara was in the wheelchair all the way back in Arkham Asylum. The image in her character bio clearly showed that. She wasn't in the chair in Origins because that was a prequel; she wasn't in the chair yet, then. If you play Knight long enough, you'll get a flashback to the event that put her in the wheelchair (which is based on the comics).

This is a completely different area of the City. You can see the areas from older games off in the distance.

Regarding the "Dark Knight," are you really asking for major spoilers about the story? Wouldn't you rather just play the game and find out for yourself?

These games take place in their own continuity, often referred to as the Arkhamverse. That continuity doesn't include the main comics or any of the Batman movies (unless you count Assault on Arkham, and that's questionable).

There are four major games in the series. In release order, they are Asylum, City, Origins, and Knight. Asylum-City-Knight form a trilogy. Origins is another game in the same continuity, but its storyline is not tightly tied to the other three. Calling the four games a quadrilogy would be like calling The Lord of the Rings books a quadrilogy because of the existence of The Hobbit. (Although LotR was techically six "books," but you know what I mean.)

Regarding upgrades: well, that shouldn't be a serious question. You can ask the same sort of thing about any video game where they made a tradeoff favoring gameplay over story. The answer is that it's a video game. If it really bugs you, just tell yourself he got rusty when crime dropped after the events of City. And don't think too much about why hitting enough people produces little magic points that he can use to instantly improve his skills and technology.

[Blehh.....]

Huh, well there were long breaks inbetween each game so I guess I either have forgotten or wasn't really paying too much attention to the story, ironically...

Originally posted by MASTAN:

Lucius Fox - like everyone else, character from comics.

Barbara and chair - also story from comics, play further to see what happened.

Dark Knight - you'll know near game ending. If you read comics you could have already guessed.

Islands - yes, this area is new. Gotham consists of several islands, Origins has one island from the City game. If you look around you can see those islands afar.

This game continues events of Origins, Asylum and City. In that order. Not some fic.

Yeah, if you read the comics before playing the games but if you're like me and went straight for the games knowing little about Batman and his world aside from the batman movies which I watched years ago, you would be pretty lost, wouldn't you?

Originally posted by MASTAN:

Abilities - I guess devs wouldn't want overpowered character from the start. You could also ask why Batman forgot some moves from Origins in Asylum.

You're right.....hmmmmmmm.........

Originally posted by Devsman:

I was lost af in Asylum when this Batman guy, this The Joker guy and this Commissioner Gordon guy all got introduced in one cutscene right at the start.

On a more serious note, they answer most of this later.

ok fair enough, I guess I was over reacting a bit....

Originally posted by doomedSniper:

Wait till Nigma come into the story, the least I can say that you'll forget about asking anything about the other characters after that point.

Nigma? Enigma?

Originally posted by D'Harhan:

My Advice; Play them in this Order, Arkham's Origins, Asylum, City, Knight...

... And This Time PAY ATTENTION.

Thanks.

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

Lucius (not Louis) Fox was there in Arkham City... sorta. Remember when he contacted Batman to let him know that WayneTech had developed a cure for the Titan poisoning, leading to the side mission The Cure? Well, if you played the side mission, you know it turns out that's not exactly what happened, but Lucius was referenced way back then. Lucius's awareness of Batman's identity varies depending on continuity and point in time. In these games, he knows.

Oh woops, I guess wrong spelling...heh... Anyways I thought Mr Freeze did it...? I remember going around in killer croc's territory collecting some spore samples for it. I don't remember Lucius being mentioned though....

Yeah but how does Lucius know the true identity of the Batman? Did he do what Bane did and deduce it from some gadget tech he used on went snooping like Hugo Strange and found him out that way? Or did Bruce just outright told him because he trusts him to keep it a secret? Also while we're on the subject, how and why did Bruce step down as CEO and let him take the mantle? Or is all of this explained in the game later as I progress in Akham Knight?

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

Regarding the "Dark Knight," are you really asking for major spoilers about the story? Wouldn't you rather just play the game and find out for yourself?

I guess not, guess I'll find out spoiler free when i finish the game...

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

These games take place in their own continuity, often referred to as the Arkhamverse. That continuity doesn't include the main comics or any of the Batman movies (unless you count Assault on Arkham, and that's questionable).

Why didn't the games just adapt the comics? So you basically get a game version of parts of the comics so it at least still stays faithful to source material instead of making up a new storyline creating a parallel/alternate universe of it? And why isn't the movie Assault on Arkham considered questionable? According to wikipedia, it is set two years before Asylum so would feel in some blanks that the games don't explain or tell?

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

There are four major games in the series. In release order, they are Asylum, City, Origins, and Knight. Asylum-City-Knight form a trilogy. Origins is another game in the same continuity, but its storyline is not tightly tied to the other three. Calling the four games a quadrilogy would be like calling The Lord of the Rings books a quadrilogy because of the existence of The Hobbit. (Although LotR was techically six "books," but you know what I mean.)

Why isn't it tightly tied to the other three? Both Origins still has Batman as the protaganist whilst the lord of the rings have frodo and sam, and the other two hobbits whose name escapes me memory (pippin was one of them I think, forgot who the fourth one was) and the hobbit followed Frodo's uncle, whose name also escapes me... The movies had a trilogy of each of them - i haven't read the books of the movies it's based on so all my info is from the movies but according to various sources they have almost faithfully adapted the books...with the most notable change was how they dialogs were done between each character and the ending of return of the king. That's all I remember, there were other changes too but forgot about them.

But yeah, I can understand The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings as two seperate trilogy, but not Akham Origins and Akham Asylum, Akham City and Akham Knight as two seperate beings.

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

Regarding upgrades: well, that shouldn't be a serious question. You can ask the same sort of thing about any video game where they made a tradeoff favoring gameplay over story. The answer is that it's a video game. If it really bugs you, just tell yourself he got rusty when crime dropped after the events of City.

Well I see there are new abilities and feats in Knight that werent available in any of the prior three, so why didn't they just done that and just gave pre-specced out Batman with his old abilities and moves from the previous games?

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

And don't think too much about why hitting enough people produces little magic points that he can use to instantly improve his skills and technology.

Hahahaha... I'd like them to have done a more indepth skill system, probably akin to a proper RPG system would be cool....

[doomedSniper]

Although there is nothing enigmatic about him, Edward Nigma calls himself Enigma. Most of the Arkham Knight is focussed on collecting his irritating trophies. Don't forget to collect his trophies while you complete the main storyline, or, you're gonna regret like me.

[Blehh.....]

Originally posted by doomedSniper:

Although there is nothing enigmatic about him, Edward Nigma calls himself Enigma. Most of the Arkham Knight is focussed on collecting his irritating trophies. Don't forget to collect his trophies while you complete the main storyline, or, you're gonna regret like me.

Huh....I didnt even see that, using the first letter of his first name and the whole of his last name joined together to call himself "Enigma", thought he called himself this to sound cool or maybe there a bit of mystery about him we don't know yet...or maybe there isn't as I bet you've read all the comics about him and know everything about him in a general context!

To me, Enigma just wants to spite Batman's self esteem after finding out Batman could unravel all his riddles and mysteries with relative ease, thereby de-enigmaring him which I bet he found annoying, assuming the reason he picked that nickname was because no one could solve him until Batman came...

Also why do I need to collect his trophies before finishing the main storyline? The only time I did that was on Asylum and for City and Origins, I just left it at the end after rushing through the story and then cleaned up the map of all collectables and side missions using a guide on some of the ones I couldn't find or solve myself at least without spending over a few minutes on each not including travel time....

[doomedSniper]

Actually, it will be super boring if you plan to collect all of the 243 trophies at the end I mean to complete 100%,the fool won't fight you with anything less. So, in my view, collecting 'em slowly and engaging different of events might kill the irritation.

[Blehh.....]

Originally posted by doomedSniper:

Actually, it will be super boring if you plan to collect all of the 243 trophies at the end I mean to complete 100%,the fool won't fight you with anything less.. So, in my view, collecting 'em slowly and engaging different of events might kill the irritation.

Wait....there something happens if you 100% your save file...? Does that include the prior three games too? The closest I got to 100% was like 70% something and that was on Asylum where the only thing I didn't bother to finish were the challenge maps and challenge campaigns because they didn't already add anything new that I don't already know or have done...

And yes, well I mean I did collect the other 430 or so ones in City that I hadn't collected whilst doing the main or side missions...which took a good while to do....

Also the reason why I leave it to last now is because some collectables are locked and can only be collected after you unlock a gadget or an area after doing a mission....so why not do it all in one hit at the end when they all become available?

[doomedSniper]

I won't spoil your fun. Riddler will show you his true colors in time. It's only the main story. Progress and you'll get the gift of your life from this moron. I have seen many people say, "I gave up on Riddler a long time ago", true, he he.

[chipperMDW]

Originally posted by Boltte:

Oh woops, I guess wrong spelling...heh... Anyways I thought Mr Freeze did it...? I remember going around in killer croc's territory collecting some spore samples for it. I don't remember Lucius being mentioned though....

Well, I guess you don't remember, then. But they didn't just introduce him out of the blue. I'm pretty sure they even name-dropped him in Asylum in relation to having developed something on the hackable doors.

If you wanted to know more about him, there should be a character bio unlocked in Arkham Knight.

Yeah but how does Lucius know the true identity of the Batman? Did he do what Bane did and deduce it from some gadget tech he used on went snooping like Hugo Strange and found him out that way? Or did Bruce just outright told him because he trusts him to keep it a secret? Also while we're on the subject, how and why did Bruce step down as CEO and let him take the mantle? Or is all of this explained in the game later as I progress in Akham Knight?

As far as I know, none of that has been detailed in the Arkhamverse. It's likely that Lucius deduced that his boss was Batman when he kept using WayneTech to make Batman stuff. You say you've watched "the Batman movies." If you mean the Nolanverse films, then you'll remember that's basically how he found out there.

Why didn't the games just adapt the comics? So you basically get a game version of parts of the comics so it at least still stays faithful to source material instead of making up a new storyline creating a parallel/alternate universe of it?

You must be new to comic book characters. You could ask the same thing about the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Or nearly any other adaptation of a comic book story.

In general, even when a writer is basing a work on an existing story, it's easier for them to set it in a universe where they don't have to worry about 80 years of continuity baggage. Even the DC comics themselves have rebooted the storyline several times.

Also, if the audience already knows the source material, they might rather see a fresh new story than a rehash of something they're already familiar with.

And why isn't the movie Assault on Arkham considered questionable? According to wikipedia, it is set two years before Asylum so would feel in some blanks that the games don't explain or tell?

I say it's questionable because it has some plot holes that make it not quite make sense in the continuity of the games. Its writers intended for it to be in the Arkhamverse, but they didn't necessarily research the continuity very well or collaborate with the people responsible for the games' storylines.

Why isn't it tightly tied to the other three?

Because, although it's set in the same universe, it's a different story. The other three are parts one, two, and three of a single story about Joker using Titan and the consequences of that. Origins (which was made by a different developer) is not about that story; it's about the origins of Batman's relationships with several major characters.

[Devsman]

Originally posted by Boltte:

Yeah, if you read the comics before playing the games but if you're like me and went straight for the games knowing little about Batman and his world aside from the batman movies which I watched years ago, you would be pretty lost, wouldn't you?

Eh, new characters and other major events happen in between installments all the time. And over the course of the game, these things all become clear. Even if you didn't already know a good bit of Batman lore, you don't get far before Lucious starts making you upgrades and calling you "sir," and you also don't get far before they recap what happened to Oracle.

It's also pretty clear from the very start that you're not supposed to know who Arkham Knight is. You know, that's the mystery. And in that regard, you might actually be at an advantage by knowing little Batman lore, because that subplot actually turns out to be more or less an adaptation of one of the most famous Batman stories, and it's really kind of obvious from the start if you're familiar with it.

My advice would be to hold your questions til the end.

[Devsman]

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

Yeah but how does Lucius know the true identity of the Batman? Did he do what Bane did and deduce it from some gadget tech he used on went snooping like Hugo Strange and found him out that way? Or did Bruce just outright told him because he trusts him to keep it a secret? Also while we're on the subject, how and why did Bruce step down as CEO and let him take the mantle? Or is all of this explained in the game later as I progress in Akham Knight?

As far as I know, none of that has been detailed in the Arkhamverse. It's likely that Lucius deduced that his boss was Batman when he kept using WayneTech to make Batman stuff. You say you've watched "the Batman movies." If you mean the Nolanverse films, then you'll remember that's basically how he found out there.

Yeah this one is a pretty fair question. There's this presentation as if nobody knows Batman's secret identity, but a lot of Batman's closer allies do know. Alfred and all the sidekicks obviously know, Superman usually knows in crossovers/Justice League, then Catwoman, Lucious Fox and Leslie Thompkins (who is Batman's doctor) often know, and then sometimes you have other Justice League characters who will be in on it, and then of course you have your occasional villain who has figured it out. Rule of thumb is, if a character knows who Batman is, and Batman isn't surprised by it, you're not supposed to be either, lol.

And this is so kosher that they kind of don't bother explaining how it works sometimes. Like, in BTAS, for example, in one episode, Batman gets injured and stumbles into Leslie's clinic or whatever and she's all like "oh Bruce, you're injured!" and they never really give an explanation other than, well, she's his doctor so...

The secret is more in the general sense that, like, maybe a dozen or so people know, but the other several billion in the world don't, lol.

[Mint Manta]

Originally posted by Boltte:

Originally posted by chipperMDW:

Regarding upgrades: well, that shouldn't be a serious question. You can ask the same sort of thing about any video game where they made a tradeoff favoring gameplay over story. The answer is that it's a video game. If it really bugs you, just tell yourself he got rusty when crime dropped after the events of City.

Well I see there are new abilities and feats in Knight that werent available in any of the prior three, so why didn't they just done that and just gave pre-specced out Batman with his old abilities and moves from the previous games?

Mostly because of story progression. In City you got your gadgets from asylum back except the line launcher through Robin, and this was mostly to show Robin and then set up the use of the line launcher in the proceeding gameplay. Same with Knight. So some gadgets and abilities are carried over, but others aren't like the cryptographic sequencer because it's used in the airship.