Should we reboot Batman after the Arkham series?

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Hi everybody,

I am a bit sad that the Arkham series has come to an end, it was in my honest opinion the best superhero game series – even Origins and Blackgate. If I remember, it began at the same time as The Dark Knight trilogy in cinema. But now a decade has passed, Batman has been rebooted and we will soon have the Justice League.

Should there be another Batman game Should we reboot Batman in games
My answer is yes, why not! It would be like asking if there should be another Batman film after The Dark Knight…

Some people may think otherwise, and I would like them to express themselves and explain why we had enough Batman games. But, if there should be other games – I’m not counting VR and the Telltale game – I am both exited and worried if they will not be able to top the Arkham series.

NB: I will not answer very much, I have already written how I feel about it, I prefer to read other people’s point of view.

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Uncle Benis の投稿を引用：

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

True, what you have said did change what I thought and that would make a great superman game but I'd like to say that superman shouldn't have too many limitations since most people imagine superman as powerful. The idea of giving superman limitations is actually a great idea but putting too many limitations might ruin the image of superman for players. The collateral damage is a smart feature but I don't think superman should have limited stamina since it might limit what we can do as superman. Batman didn't have limited stamina and that was also another part of the game which I enjoyed. I suggest doing something like charging up superman's laser eyes so depending on how long you charge the laser eyes will change how effective it is and during that time, superman must also not be able to move from his spot while he's charging his eyes and his enemies might do something to interrupt his attack so you need to find a good opportunity to use it (like batman's ground takedown where you need to choose a good moment to finish off an enemy on the ground without being attacked by other enemies)

(Side note: I'm not trying to argue against you Uncle Benis, I actually think that your idea is quite amazing, I'm just stating my ideas which were inspired by yours)

All good, m8. It is a point we have to be wary of how much he's limited. It'll depend on how he starts out in the game. Players can still get their God fantasy, just make them work for it through progress. It'll make it mean so much more in the end. Crackdown did it well. First you can jump about 5 feet and throw small objects. By the end you can jump 30 feet and through trucks at people.

For the limited stamina, maybe a better way to approach it is "stamina" for some of the powers, like how Batman can't continuously throw Batarangs without performing another combat move in between. The charging idea would work well, as long as uncharged moves can still have some effect - even just a stun.

I think we just made a good superman game concept for any developers out there...

[Roast Goose]

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

Uncle Benis の投稿を引用：

All good, m8. It is a point we have to be wary of how much he's limited. It'll depend on how he starts out in the game. Players can still get their God fantasy, just make them work for it through progress. It'll make it mean so much more in the end. Crackdown did it well. First you can jump about 5 feet and throw small objects. By the end you can jump 30 feet and through trucks at people.

For the limited stamina, maybe a better way to approach it is "stamina" for some of the powers, like how Batman can't continuously throw Batarangs without performing another combat move in between. The charging idea would work well, as long as uncharged moves can still have some effect - even just a stun.

I think we just made a good superman game concept for any developers out there...

Hopefully someone from RS has a look around here from time to time. People say that game devs need to make new games; if devs are struggling with new ideas they should ask what people would like to see. I have an idea or two for how the story of the Arkham series could be redone, but making ideas AFTER is easy.

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Uncle Benis の投稿を引用：

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

I think we just made a good superman game concept for any developers out there...

Hopefully someone from RS has a look around here from time to time. People say that game devs need to make new games; if devs are struggling with new ideas they should ask what people would like to see. I have an idea or two for how the story of the Arkham series could be redone, but making ideas AFTER is easy.

Just in case they do look around, you might want to post those ideas somewhere for them to see

[Roast Goose]

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

Uncle Benis の投稿を引用：

Hopefully someone from RS has a look around here from time to time. People say that game devs need to make new games; if devs are struggling with new ideas they should ask what people would like to see. I have an idea or two for how the story of the Arkham series could be redone, but making ideas AFTER is easy.

Just in case they do look around, you might want to post those ideas somewhere for them to see

Might make another thread about it later, see if anyone else has ideas to pitch in.

[bgray9054]

I personally don't want to see a reboot, I'd like to see another trilogy, either after the events of Arkham Knight with either more Batman story, or a move to Batman Beyond, etc, or even do another trilogy between Arkham Origins and Arkham Asylum. There is plenty of Batman material to write story / games for.

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bgray9054 の投稿を引用：

I personally don't want to see a reboot, I'd like to see another trilogy, either after the events of Arkham Knight with either more Batman story, or a move to Batman Beyond, etc, or even do another trilogy between Arkham Origins and Arkham Asylum. There is plenty of Batman material to write story / games for.

Actually yea, I never did fully understand what happened in the end of Arkham Knight (Spoiler alert: Batman died but there was this batman demon roaming the streets scaring thugs, I think it's probably the fear gas ) it'd be nice to see a game that explained their ending. The DLCs didn't mention anything about it even if it was set after Arkham Knight

[ShikenNuggets]

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

Actually yea, I never did fully understand what happened in the end of Arkham Knight (Spoiler alert: Batman died but there was this batman demon roaming the streets scaring thugs, I think it's probably the fear gas ) it'd be nice to see a game that explained their ending. The DLCs didn't mention anything about it even if it was set after Arkham Knight

I think it's better with the ambiguity. My interpretation of the ending (and a lot of people seem to agree with me on this) is that the Knightfall Protocol is Batman faking his death, and that "Bat Demon" thing was Batman using fear toxin. But if they just came out and directly confirm that in a sequel, I think it would ruin the ending somewhat.

Also worth noting, Rocksteady is done with the series, and I'd rather not have some other developer try to explain (and likely ruin) what Rocksteady was trying to do with their ending.

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ShikenNuggets の投稿を引用：

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

Actually yea, I never did fully understand what happened in the end of Arkham Knight (Spoiler alert: Batman died but there was this batman demon roaming the streets scaring thugs, I think it's probably the fear gas ) it'd be nice to see a game that explained their ending. The DLCs didn't mention anything about it even if it was set after Arkham Knight

I think it's better with the ambiguity. My interpretation of the ending (and a lot of people seem to agree with me on this) is that the Knightfall Protocol is Batman faking his death, and that "Bat Demon" thing was Batman using fear toxin. But if they just came out and directly confirm that in a sequel, I think it would ruin the ending somewhat.

Also worth noting, Rocksteady is done with the series, and I'd rather not have some other developer try to explain (and likely ruin) what Rocksteady was trying to do with their ending.

I guess you're right but the ending was too confusing for me and it was kind of weak since if the knightfall protocol was batman dying and having that bat demon out in the streets then did they plan on making some sort of fear gas once he's gone or did they just added scarecrow's fear gas to people just as an extension to their protocol plan and if so then doesn't that just kind of contradicts the whole story? Sure, he's only using it on thugs and such but it kinda feels like we went through the whole trouble of making sure the fear gas wouldn't be used just so batman can use it.

I may be overthinking it but I'd like to hear your opinion on this

[ShikenNuggets]

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

I guess you're right but the ending was too confusing for me and it was kind of weak since if the knightfall protocol was batman dying and having that bat demon out in the streets then did they plan on making some sort of fear gas once he's gone or did they just added scarecrow's fear gas to people just as an extension to their protocol plan and if so then doesn't that just kind of contradicts the whole story? Sure, he's only using it on thugs and such but it kinda feels like we went through the whole trouble of making sure the fear gas wouldn't be used just so batman can use it.

I may be overthinking it but I'd like to hear your opinion on this

The problem wasn't the existence of the fear gas, the problem was that Scarecrow would have used it on innocent people, and in doses that would definitely cause long-term (or even permanent) psychological trauma (for example, Officer Owens).

The fear gas itself wasn't the problem, it was how the fear gas was being used. Thus, I don't really see a problem with Batman using small doses on criminals.

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ShikenNuggets の投稿を引用：

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

I guess you're right but the ending was too confusing for me and it was kind of weak since if the knightfall protocol was batman dying and having that bat demon out in the streets then did they plan on making some sort of fear gas once he's gone or did they just added scarecrow's fear gas to people just as an extension to their protocol plan and if so then doesn't that just kind of contradicts the whole story? Sure, he's only using it on thugs and such but it kinda feels like we went through the whole trouble of making sure the fear gas wouldn't be used just so batman can use it.

I may be overthinking it but I'd like to hear your opinion on this

The problem wasn't the existence of the fear gas, the problem was that Scarecrow would have used it on innocent people, and in doses that would definitely cause long-term (or even permanent) psychological trauma (for example, Officer Owens).

The fear gas itself wasn't the problem, it was how the fear gas was being used. Thus, I don't really see a problem with Batman using small doses on criminals.

Before I continue, I want to say that I have nothing against you or your explanations, it's just that either there are holes in the story or I'm just too idiotic to figure it out.

I see your point but if that's the case though, I still don't think it's a good idea since scarecrow just used 5 ounces of that fear gas and it turned a whole bar into a mad house with everyone killing each other. If you have the season of infamy DLC, you could see some of the victims from the bar inside the Elliot Memorial Hospital and if you use detective mode, it says that they are dead meaning that the fear gas is dangerous enough to kill people, I doubt batman should use it even in small doses.

I apologize if I'm starting to deny everything you say but I really feel like there are still some holes in the ending and the explanations you have given me just doesn't seem to match how the story ended in my point of view

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BATSEGA の投稿を引用：

Now that I think about it, we could have sequels set after Origins and see more of the stories between Batman, Batgirl, Robin, Catwoman and the villains. But if they do that, I think it would be better to let go of the one-night isolated city concept.

True, they could also make games based off the comics in the batman series. I'd like it if they expanded more on the killing joke chapter form origins and let us play more as Joker since it was pretty fun to play as the crown prince of crime. Too bad it was short though

[Arkham99]

bgray9054 の投稿を引用：

I personally don't want to see a reboot, I'd like to see another trilogy, either after the events of Arkham Knight with either more Batman story, or a move to Batman Beyond, etc, or even do another trilogy between Arkham Origins and Arkham Asylum. There is plenty of Batman material to write story / games for.

Pretty much agree with all you've said here. They've "reboot Batman" many times over and now run the risk of having 'The Legend' muddied over many second generation translations. Batman's not big on side-kicks to begin with and that means lose the Superman tie-ins too. 'Batman Beyond' is the obvious direction to go in. Fresh Gaming Mechanics with the new suit (jet-boots, cloak, etc.) while retaining much of the combat that's proven.

The Rogues Gallery for 'Beyond' stands up to the Arkham Franchise, something else that Superman lore is seriously lacking...:-)

[bgray9054]

BATSEGA の投稿を引用：

Now that I think about it, we could have sequels set after Origins and see more of the stories between Batman, Batgirl, Robin, Catwoman and the villains. But if they do that, I think it would be better to let go of the one-night isolated city concept.

Ya I'd love to have a Batgirl game - I thought the Batgirl DLC was fantastic.

[bgray9054]

Arkham99 の投稿を引用：

bgray9054 の投稿を引用：

I personally don't want to see a reboot, I'd like to see another trilogy, either after the events of Arkham Knight with either more Batman story, or a move to Batman Beyond, etc, or even do another trilogy between Arkham Origins and Arkham Asylum. There is plenty of Batman material to write story / games for.

Pretty much agree with all you've said here. They've "reboot Batman" many times over and now run the risk of having 'The Legend' muddied over many second generation translations. Batman's not big on side-kicks to begin with and that means lose the Superman tie-ins too. 'Batman Beyond' is the obvious direction to go in. Fresh Gaming Mechanics with the new suit (jet-boots, cloak, etc.) while retaining much of the combat that's proven.

The Rogues Gallery for 'Beyond' stands up to the Arkham Franchise, something else that Superman lore is seriously lacking...:-)

Thanks, yeah I agree on Superman. Definitely not at all interested in that. Keep it with Batman. They have the Batman world and characters essentially nailed, just keep writing more and giving us more gameplay.

[ShikenNuggets]

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

Before I continue, I want to say that I have nothing against you or your explanations, it's just that either there are holes in the story or I'm just too idiotic to figure it out.

No worries, discussions are a good thing, you may be seeing holes that I'm not.

๖ۣۜSUCHAßASTARD ☢ の投稿を引用：

I see your point but if that's the case though, I still don't think it's a good idea since scarecrow just used 5 ounces of that fear gas and it turned a whole bar into a mad house with everyone killing each other. If you have the season of infamy DLC, you could see some of the victims from the bar inside the Elliot Memorial Hospital and if you use detective mode, it says that they are dead meaning that the fear gas is dangerous enough to kill people, I doubt batman should use it even in small doses.

I apologize if I'm starting to deny everything you say but I really feel like there are still some holes in the ending and the explanations you have given me just doesn't seem to match how the story ended in my point of view

That is actually a fair point. Perhaps he's using the earlier version of the fear toxin (from Arkham Asylum), which is much less potent and not lethal. Also, Batman has been able to cure fear toxin in the past (as we hear with the patient interviews in Arkham Asylum), so he could use to cure as well to avoid causing long-term damage.

Whatever's going on, Batman knows what he's doing, and he wouldn't risk using the fear toxin if there was a significant risk of death.

BATSEGA の投稿を引用：

Now that I think about it, we could have sequels set after Origins and see more of the stories between Batman, Batgirl, Robin, Catwoman and the villains. But if they do that, I think it would be better to let go of the one-night isolated city concept.

I have a feeling that's what they want to do. Though, I don't see why you think we have to ditch the one-night concept.