*SPOILERS* Deathstroke (and other things) wasted.

[Peistor2]

Hi guys

I recently finished the game. In general terms I liked it a lot, in fact enjoying it more than Arkham City and Origins. For the first time I have the true feeling of being Batman roaming Gotham, the batmobile is great (but maybe a little too used in the game) and the history, without being too special, is solid and well done.

However, I get the feeling that the game wasted a lot of things, situations and characters... Things that could be done better.

Deathstroke, for example. He is one of my favourite comic characters of all time, and I get excited seeing that he is back to revenge Batman of his (unlikely) defeat in Origins. His introduction as the commander of the militia of Scarecrow in the last part of the game is interesting, but when at last it seems that we are going to fight him hand to hand (after beating the tank)... Nothing happens! A cutscene in which Batman catches and captures him?? WTF?? Deathstroke deserves a great and truly HARD fight! He is one of the most powerful and intelligent villains of the DC universe, no way that situation (Batman overpower him without fight) can happen!

Seriously, being a freak of the comics I think this is an absurd narrative mistake of the developers.

But whatever... I think that Catwoman also could have a more impact in the game, and the death and sacrifice of Poison Ivy was... weird and disturbing at least. I know that she seems to do it "for the plants" but... I don`t know, it looks weak for me.

What do you think?

[Darknight]

Deathstroke doesn't deserve this ridicilous fight.

[Peistor2]

Originally posted by Cunning Rogue:

Deathstroke doesn't deserve this ridicilous fight.

In fact, Deathstroke deserves his own game. Or at least a good DLC in Arkham series in which we can kill people, not disabling them.

[SenMithrarin85]

2 things rocksteady can't do: bossfights and good dlc.

[Peistor2]

Originally posted by SenMithrarin85:

2 things rocksteady can't do: bossfights and good dlc.

Agreed! If Arkham Origins has something really good is the boss fights... Arkham City have some, but Arkham Knight don`t!

Seriously, I think they wasted a great opportunity to make an incredible boss fight against Deathstroke, in the "hardest optional boss" way.

[Biebs 3D]

The problem is that the combat system in arkham games isn't made for 1 on 1 fights.
Deathstroke would be just another generic ninja or "big guy" with some quicktimes thrown in the mix. The fight in origins sucked.
The best bossfights in the arkham games were freeze and croc.
Because it was more about level design and cat and mouse.
But i get your point. They didn't care because he had his fight in the previous game.
Deathstroke had no place in arkham knight imo.

Edit: take away the ridiculous tank-mode/drone battles and replace it with better bossfights (freeze) and this would be the best batman simulator ever. All that futuristic military stuff was just a little too much imo.

[Peistor2]

Originally posted by Biebo:

The problem is that the combat system in arkham games isn't made for 1 on 1 fights.
Deathstroke would be just another generic ninja or "big guy" with some quicktimes thrown in the mix. The fight in origins sucked.
The best bossfights in the arkham games were freeze and croc.
Because it was more about level design and cat and mouse.
But i get your point. They didn't care because he had his fight in the previous game.
Deathstroke had no place in arkham knight imo.

Edit: take away the ridiculous tank-mode/drone battles and replace it with better bossfights (freeze) and this would be the best batman simulator ever. All that futuristic military stuff was just a little too much imo.

You have good points here.

I don`t think that the fight against Deathstroke in Origins sucked, but being a fan of the character, I think that they could have made it so much better.

Because of that, when Deathstroke appears in the last part of this game, I wanted to believe that at last they were going to do the things right: A really good fight Batman Vs Deathstroke as a "final prize" of the game. Less tank/ drone battles and more face off great bastards as Deathstroke.

But no. Damn.

I mean that you are in some way right that Arkham games are not made for a one to one fights. Because of that, imagine a fight "arkham way" with two badass guys (with a similar way of combat) as Batman in his prime and Deathstroke (he is always in his prime) with all of a crumbling Gotham City to see. As you said; cat and mouse thing/level design, but now with the entire Gotham as scenery... THAT would have been incredible and the best way to finish the game with an optional and terrific challenge.

[Biebs 3D]

Originally posted by peistor2:

I mean that you are in some way right that Arkham games are not made for a one to one fights. Because of that, imagine a fight "arkham way" with two badass guys (with a similar way of combat) as Batman in his prime and Deathstroke (he is always in his prime) with all of a crumbling Gotham City to see. As you said; cat and mouse thing/level design, but now with the entire Gotham as scenery... THAT would have been incredible and the best way to finish the game with an optional and terrific challenge.

100% agree. But you can't have everything i guess...
I still love the game for what it is.
The atmosphere, the city (especially miagani island), the cinamitc feel with it's seamless transitions from gameplay to ingame "cutscenes", the batmobile (car mode), some (or most) of the side missions, the core gameplay etc... and gliding through the city never gets old.
So yea, still the best batman simulator even if it has some obvious flaws.
The pros far outweigh the cons imo

[Peistor2]

Originally posted by Biebo:

Originally posted by peistor2:

I mean that you are in some way right that Arkham games are not made for a one to one fights. Because of that, imagine a fight "arkham way" with two badass guys (with a similar way of combat) as Batman in his prime and Deathstroke (he is always in his prime) with all of a crumbling Gotham City to see. As you said; cat and mouse thing/level design, but now with the entire Gotham as scenery... THAT would have been incredible and the best way to finish the game with an optional and terrific challenge.

100% agree. But you can't have everything i guess...
I still love the game for what it is.
The atmosphere, the city (especially miagani island), the cinamitc feel with it's seamless transitions from gameplay to ingame "cutscenes", the batmobile (car mode), some (or most) of the side missions, the core gameplay etc... and gliding through the city never gets old.
So yea, still the best batman simulator even if it has some obvious flaws.
The pros far outweigh the cons imo

I agree with you. I liked very much the game as it is, and the pros (all you mentioned) are a lot... But maybe because of that, because of the game is really, really good, one (being a reader of DC comics since childhood) cannot stop thinking that some things and characters was wasted, or done slighty wrong... You know, thinking about the game as could have been "the definitive Batman videogame" and such.

But yes, one can`t have everything...

[The Brown Hornet]

I saved Deathstroke for last thinking it was going to be epic........😏

[Peistor2]

Originally posted by The Brown Hornet:

I saved Deathstroke for last thinking it was going to be epic........😏

Same here! Totally disappointed...

[TheGeoshark]

In my opinion Deathstroke shouldn't even be in a Batman game if you aren't going to have him fight Nightwing.
He's Nightwing's nemesis, he shouldn't have been in Origins and he doesn't belong here since Rocksteady seems to have had zero interest in using Nightwing.

[Biebs 3D]

The whole drone stuff should've ended after the cloudburst... But nope, let's throw deathstroke + 5000 more drones in there to keep the players busy. Deathstroke in a second cloudburst was like the boss recycling you see in japanese videogames. Cheap padding.