♥♥♥♥. This. Riddler. Mission!

[Eguzky]

I have tl launch into the air out of the batmobile, hit a switch, then do it AGAIN and sit a switch at a 90 degree turn BEHIND me.

Oh, and if I launch too high, I hit an archway that the devs put there as a giant middle finger.

♥♥♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mission. This is not a 'riddle', it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ jumping puzzle with tiny ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ window for getting it right.

Any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way to skip this peice of ♥♥♥♥ not-riddle 'riddle' so I caon continue on to actual FUN ones?

[ShikenNuggets]

Do you know what it's called? The description you've given doesn't seem to be ringing a belll.

[lucasj1210]

Originally posted by ShikenNuggets:

Do you know what it's called? The description you've given doesn't seem to be ringing a belll.

I think they are talking about 'Flight School''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4perX4gcxtw

[ShikenNuggets]

Oh, yeah, now I remember.

That one was a bit of a pain in the ass the first time around, but just keep trying it, eventually you'll get the hang of it.

[Eguzky]

I did it. It took me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hour and a half, but I did it.

How, in the same of all that is godly, is that a PUZZLE!?
It's a shoehorned 'use mechanics you will rarely use outside of this' set peice.

The 'read nubers on oppisite walls to hit switches'? Puzzle

Lead an electric spark through tubes you raise and lower? Puzzle.

Whatever is next (no spoilers, please) Probably a puzzle.

I LIKE puzzles.

I HATE BS 'use little-used mechanics' set peices.

[ShikenNuggets]

I didn't mind it. It was a bit annoying the way it was set up, but I love this game's gliding, so once I figured out the layout it wasn't too bad.

[<< BATFINK >>]

Interestingly enough, I passed this one WITHOUT having to fly through the rotating knife tunnel. As it was some time ago now, I can't say exactly how I did it. But I did spend some time trying to get around to that tunnel without success.

Maybe I threw a remote batarang at it and boosted it at the last second...? I don't know now, all I know is that I got passed it.

[Frag Maniac]

The only time I had to retry it several times was my first play through, mainly because I didn't know exactly what was coming and how to set up my flight trajectory.

Every play through since then I've nailed it without any retries. So I wouldn't call it "BS 'use little-used mechanics' set peices". It's as legit a puzzle as any other in the game.

Seems too many gamers these days blame a game for their own failed attempts. If all puzzles could be handled no problem on first try, it wouldn't be a game worth playing.

[Eguzky]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

The only time I had to retry it several times was my first play through, mainly because I didn't know exactly what was coming and how to set up my flight trajectory.

Every play through since then I've nailed it without any retries. So I wouldn't call it "BS 'use little-used mechanics' set peices". It's as legit a puzzle as any other in the game.

Seems too many gamers these days blame a game for their own failed attempts. If all puzzles could be handled no problem on first try, it wouldn't be a game worth playing.

True on the last part, but it's not a real puzzle. It's 'use this mechanic to win'. If you sat a new player down and told him what to do, he would still struggle with the controls to make it work.

A puzzle, like the 'Pres sthe right buttons in order, but not the order you see'
or the 'Move the pipes to move the electric charge' actually make you think to solve it, not use the rocket out of teh batobile..which I don't use elsewhere. :P

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by Eguzky:

True on the last part, but it's not a real puzzle.

So, if I get this right, you claim it's not a true puzzle just because you didn't like (couldn't adapt quickly enough to) the mechanics used? I call BS on that.

Like I said, it's as a much a puzzle as any other in the game. The very first definition of "puzzle" is...

"a toy, problem, or other contrivance designed to amuse by presenting difficulties to be solved by ingenuity or patient effort."

Obviously this is a problem in which you need ingenuity and/or patience. If you see how they want you to do it right away, that is not you skipping the ingenuity part, that's just you figuring it out quicker than some. If the "difficulties", in your case the physical "mechanics" part of the puzzle, takes an abnormal amount of patience, that's just you taking longer than most to solve it. Puzzles can be both mental and physical in nature though, and that seems to be the part you're glossing over.

As others have mentioned, City had WAY more trophies, and many were harder because they involved much more precise glide/button press scenarios, many involving having to adjust height precisely while doing so, as well as being strictly timed. What you're mocking here is a pretty tame puzzle compared to many in City, but it's hardly not a puzzle just because you struggled with it's mechanics. That doesn't make it a physics demo like you make it sound, it's just you being clumsy.


There was one trophy in City that for a while I thought I'd never get. I was convinced I was too clumsy with the Remote Batarang. You had to steer it through a vent and steer it back and forth one direction then the other. I finally made a mouse sensitivity adjustment and got the timing of slowing the Batarang right to where I just made it. I never blamed it for not being a legit puzzle though, because I expect some to be harder than others. It actually made me respect it more having to take my time and make adjustments.

[KeaponLaffin]

It's no harder than some of the advanced flight training simulations in Arkham City. If you've played through that it shouldn't give you any trouble. I had to do it probably 6-7 times to get the hang of it, no big deal. It's a GAME, it's not all meant to be easy.

[Eguzky]

It's...let me see if I can explain it better..

The missioni s not about SOLVING anything.
It's about using the games finniky Batmobile Launch to hit 3 buttons. There's no puzzle solving involved. The solution is right there, no thinking needed.

Not like when Catwoman sees Batmans number sequence and vice-versa.
Or moving the electricity through the puzzle.

While certainly not hard, they were more thinking than doing. This is the opposite.
To me, that makes it less a puzzle and more a mission involving a gimmick that you will never use in that context again (lauching at a target), unless forced too.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by Eguzky:

It's...let me see if I can explain it better..

The missioni s not about SOLVING anything.
It's about using the games finniky Batmobile Launch to hit 3 buttons. There's no puzzle solving involved. The solution is right there, no thinking needed.

LOL, you completely ignored (or didn't acknowledge) what I said about not all puzzles being mental. They can be purely physical as well, and that's the bit you seem to be ridiculing.

I'm quite sure had you not had so much trouble with it, you'd have not mocked it for being a mechanics/physics demo.

You're not going to explain it any better unless you drop the denial routine. What I don't get, is in your first post you somewhat admitted it was a puzzle by calling it a "jumping puzzle". More like gliding puzzle, but it IS a puzzle, and your having such a hard time with such a simple thing doesn't make it any less so.

[KeaponLaffin]

It's about as much as a "riddle" as the Riddler's driving and racing missions are. It's just a game.

[DrNewcenstein]

What I'm finding on this "puzzle" is that, compared to using the required method in the surface world, I'm not getting as high a launch. Yes, I did exit the trial and test it in the surface streets. I shot out amazingly high, probably too high for the button if it worked properly. As well, I gained elevation continuously, unlike in the actual "puzzle" where it seems I'm dragging my head on a slope, forcing me down.

I'm also greatly appalled that my upgraded Grapnel Boost is mysteriously unavailable, as that would achieve the same result: a high, fast launch to hit the button. Even when I do get the "vapor trails" coming off the cape, indicating I'm at the correct speed, my elevation is too low, and I land on the bottom of the assembly, and not on the button in the center.

No, I'm not pushing the stick to descend.

And where did my upgraded Grapnel Boost skill suddenly vanish to? Is this another bug that was never addressed?
I can certainly see why they eventually abandoned this game and gave everyone their money back.

[DrNewcenstein]

However, I have just discovered you don't need to eject from the Batmobile, though the lack of Grapnel Boost, as well as the removal of being able to place a Line, is still insulting.

You can stand back by the Starting line and use the Grapnel hook to launch from the chain, then release before you get there and go into a Glide. I'm making actual progress after merely two attempts (the first one I didn't release in time and perched on the chain).

This is not a puzzle as it's not amusing. It's a Skills Trial/Training mission. It's like those tutorial missions where you have to perform a specific action to proceed. Block, Punch, Kick, etc.
There is no logical explanation for the sudden reduction in earned skills and equipment which would, yes, make the entire thing easier. That's why you work hard and get the good gear, so things are easier. Only a moron voluntarily puts all that aside "for the challenge".

"I'm not gonna use fire to cook my food, I'm going to lay it on a hot rock for 4 hours, because fire makes things easy!" See? That's being stupid.