Screw the Vaklu/Queen choice so much!

[Lunk]

The idea that the choice is locked in before you leave Iziz and then there's no way to backpedal is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I didn't even know I had locked the choice until the quest log updated and said I had somehow sided with Vaklu. I think my idea was to try and stay evasive if possible, so I tried agreeing with both the Vaklu guys and people favoring the Queen.

I think what's worst was that at the showdown there was no way to say, "surprise, Vaklu!" and betray him or at least intimidate him to let the queen and the Jedi master live. None of the conversation options were fitting to my playstyle being fully light-side. All dialogue options was snide and villainous arrogance towards the Jedi master. Why the hell did I have to kill him and the Queen?

Nice choice consequence setup but the game is way too rash in how suddenly it locks it in.

For all I care my entire playthrough may be screwed up now, because there's no way the Jedi order is gonna accept that I just killed one of them.

[funewchie]

No need to worry about the Jedi Order. They just assume the Jedi Master was killed by the Sith, so your playthrough is still safe.

Yeah, for future reference: Kotor 2 tends to strongly dislike and discourages Neutral alignments/choices.
In fact, one choice you'll face eventually on a quest will punish you for picking the "middle of the road" path (the correct choice is to pick a side, regardless of whether you're Light or Dark)

By the way, I'm curious: why were you picking a neutral path on Iziz? To gain favor with Kreia, or just for the fun of being sneaky (which is definitely cool)?

[Lunk]

I'm past the part where you need to kill of the rest, and I get that they probably would've died no matter what from what I can tell, but it sucks so hard that all of my dialogue choices are obviously bad-guy and evil, like when Kreia asks afterwards "did it satisfy you to get revenge" and I have 5 options that all boil down to "Yes, I like killing good people!"

I'm okay with the fact that the game railroaded me because of some choices I made, but it sucks I can't express my feeling of regret throughout. Instead the game assumes you just want to be evil.

[funewchie]

Well, your character WAS pretty defiant at their trial. And they are being taught by a bitter old woman who definitely is not good.

And yes, the Jedi Master would have all been killed, no matter what. They were pretty useless. And after playing Kotor 1, it was kinda nice to see that jerk, Master Vrook, get what he had coming.

This game's message is against being neutral. In fact, on a sidequest on Korriban, you get punished harshly for taking a pacifist, "middle of the road" choice. The game encourages you to take action, either good or evil, against the problem that faces the galaxy.

As for Kreia...you really have to take her philosphies with a grain of salt. Considering her backstory, it makes sense to do so.
In fact, as long as you tell her "I will think on your words", you'll likely never lose influence with her. She doesn't care which side you're on, just as long as you value her opinion.

[Hassat Hunter]

You're pretty free to pick whatever you want...

Only if you kill any of the Royalist Captains are you locked into one or the other...
If not, you're free to choice at your leasure during the cafe scene. They make it pretty clear they want to kill the Queen and Kavar (one of the rejection options even reads "No, I wont side with you, I want Kavar alive"...)

[bacchus1028]

How the heck did you get Vaklu? I keep getting the Queen and I deposed or killed all the Captains

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Originally posted by bacchus1028:

How the heck did you get Vaklu? I keep getting the Queen and I deposed or killed all the Captains

Did you choose a "I support Vaklu" dialogue when conversing with the lead crowd protestor and when you are asked to give your opinion on Onderon leadership to the Twilek and his friend (they are located near the Sky ramp)?

[bacchus1028]

Originally posted by -3xA'Lu©κy:

Originally posted by bacchus1028:

How the heck did you get Vaklu? I keep getting the Queen and I deposed or killed all the Captains

Did you choose a "I support Vaklu" dialogue when conversing with the lead crowd protestor and when you are asked to give your opinion on Onderon leadership to the Twilek and his friend (they are located near the Sky ramp)?

I believe I did.

[Hassat Hunter]

Originally posted by bacchus1028:

How the heck did you get Vaklu? I keep getting the Queen and I deposed or killed all the Captains

Can't happen.

If you kill ONE captain, you're forced down Vaklu's path.

[bacchus1028]

Originally posted by Hassat Hunter:

Originally posted by bacchus1028:

How the heck did you get Vaklu? I keep getting the Queen and I deposed or killed all the Captains

Can't happen.

If you kill ONE captain, you're forced down Vaklu's path.

I killed the one by the Sky Ramp and I am telling you I was forced to side with the queen.

[Josh!]

Originally posted by Hassat Hunter:

Originally posted by bacchus1028:

How the heck did you get Vaklu? I keep getting the Queen and I deposed or killed all the Captains

Can't happen.

If you kill ONE captain, you're forced down Vaklu's path.

Do the non-violent persuasion options(like for the Sky Ramp captain) count for this?

[avatar.zero]

Originally posted by bacchus1028:

Originally posted by Hassat Hunter:

Can't happen.

If you kill ONE captain, you're forced down Vaklu's path.

I killed the one by the Sky Ramp and I am telling you I was forced to side with the queen.

Did you talk to the woman who gives you the quest afterwards and then talk to the pro-Vaklu protestor again? Rile the crowd up into a violent riot against the Queen?

[bacchus1028]

Originally posted by avatar.zero:

Originally posted by bacchus1028:

I killed the one by the Sky Ramp and I am telling you I was forced to side with the queen.

Did you talk to the woman who gives you the quest afterwards and then talk to the pro-Vaklu protestor again? Rile the crowd up into a violent riot against the Queen?

Yeah. Still doesn't work. I'm probably going to try to just start Onderon over

[Hassat Hunter]

Originally posted by Rather Dashing:

Originally posted by Hassat Hunter:

Can't happen.

If you kill ONE captain, you're forced down Vaklu's path.

Do the non-violent persuasion options(like for the Sky Ramp captain) count for this?

Nope, if you remove all of them non-violently you can choose Vaklu or the Queen. As soon as one dies though, your path is locked.

[SpyHunter]

I sided with Vaklu in the crowd/protest but didn't do cantina girl's quest because I didn't feel like swoop racing at the time, so it locked me into siding with the Queen even though I was doing a Dark Side playthrough. Kinda sucks that the game locks you in like that, from what I hear in this thread you have to do all 3 things in order for the game to allow you to side with Vaklu.

[cerberusiv]

Siding with Vaklu is pretty easy. Speak against the Queen with the crowd, then do Anda's three tasks (no swoop racing required). Don't do anything that makes the Queen's supporters like you. Simples!