Handmaiden and Visas (TSLRCM)

[scifidude79]

Spoiler Alert! Be warned, if you haven't played the game through and don't know about everything that happens in it, you may find out things by reading this. So, if you do, that's on you. You've been warned.

I'm playing with the restored content mod. I've played with this mod previously (a year or two ago) and not had this happen.

OK, I'm playing as a male Jedi. I got the Handmaiden on Telos and Visas on Nar Shadaa because of my Force points. So, I defeated Visas in combat and then I had a nice, long discussion with her, gaining influence and Light Side points. Then I left and re-boarded the ship and there were two discussions, one between Visas and the Handmaiden and one between Kreia and the Handmaiden, where Kreia used her manipulative ways to twist the Handmaiden's perception of things. Now, the Handmaiden wants nothing to do with me. There's apparently no conversation choice I can make to change her mind. That means I can no longer have discussions with her and I can't do the Echani training or train her to become a Jedi. Why is this? Is this a bug, or is this how the game is supposed to work with that mod?

[Moonman]

I made the same mistake as you and I learned that if you gained more influence with Visa faster than with Handmaiden, this scene will pop and ruin any progression with Handmaiden.

[scifidude79]

Originally posted by xMessi 10:

I made the same mistake as you and I learned that if you gained more influence with Visa faster than with Handmaiden, this scene will pop and ruin any progression with Handmaiden.

Ah, I had a feeling that was the case. Thanks for the confirmation. That sucks, I had over 12 hours into that game, but I don't have any saves old enough to undo that. So, I started a new game. I guess it's a good thing I love this game. ;)

I decided to play as a female this time. At least I won't have to worry about that specific issue happening in my new game. (besides, I want the achievemnt for getting the Desciple as a companion)

[Moonman]

Originally posted by scifidude79:

Originally posted by xMessi 10:

I made the same mistake as you and I learned that if you gained more influence with Visa faster than with Handmaiden, this scene will pop and ruin any progression with Handmaiden.

Ah, I had a feeling that was the case. Thanks for the confirmation. That sucks, I had over 12 hours into that game, but I don't have any saves old enough to undo that. So, I started a new game. I guess it's a good thing I love this game. ;)

I decided to play as a female this time. At least I won't have to worry about that specific issue happening in my new game. (besides, I want the achievemnt for getting the Desciple as a companion)

Yeah, with Female, you won't have any issue at all at least. I did read that if you gained enough influence back with Handmaiden, you can get her to talk again with you. I didn't manage to test that out so I don't know if that works or not.

[scifidude79]

Originally posted by xMessi 10:

Originally posted by scifidude79:

Ah, I had a feeling that was the case. Thanks for the confirmation. That sucks, I had over 12 hours into that game, but I don't have any saves old enough to undo that. So, I started a new game. I guess it's a good thing I love this game. ;)

I decided to play as a female this time. At least I won't have to worry about that specific issue happening in my new game. (besides, I want the achievemnt for getting the Desciple as a companion)

Yeah, with Female, you won't have any issue at all at least. I did read that if you gained enough influence back with Handmaiden, you can get her to talk again with you. I didn't manage to test that out so I don't know if that works or not.

Well, I do stil have a manual save of that game, so I can always go back later and see if that's true. I know a couple places on Nar Shadaa where you for sure get influence with her.

[Moonman]

Originally posted by scifidude79:

Originally posted by xMessi 10:

Yeah, with Female, you won't have any issue at all at least. I did read that if you gained enough influence back with Handmaiden, you can get her to talk again with you. I didn't manage to test that out so I don't know if that works or not.

Well, I do stil have a manual save of that game, so I can always go back later and see if that's true. I know a couple places on Nar Shadaa where you for sure get influence with her.

Yeah Nar Shaddaa is the place I intended to do it but never got around to do it and stopped playing after this happened.

[scifidude79]

Yeah, that's my problem too. I probably won't get back to it. That game lost its allure when that happened and I started a new one. Next time I'm playing as a dude, I'll probably just be more careful with the influence of those two characters.

I'm sure this is how it was supposed to always work, but it wasn't this way in the game as released by Obsidian. To be honest, I always found it a little odd that you could get "cozy" with both Handmaiden and Visas and neither seemed to care. The mod makes it how it really should be. It's like Mass Effect, where you have a couple of romance options and you have to eventually choose one.

[Hassat Hunter]

Nope, it's the same as vanilla, nothing changed there.

As for the "get enough inf and you can undo it", that's false.

[scifidude79]

Really? Because I've played this game through many times in vanilla and NEVER had this problem. Or did I just hit a bug all of those times? (honestly, it wouldn't surprise me) Though, I guess it's also possible I had more influence with Handmaiden during those play throughs than the one the other day.

Good to know that I didn't waste my time trying to undo it. Thanks for that bit of info.

[DBChristenson]

Ya if you gain influence with Visas right iff the bat, Handmaiden will hate you for the rest of eternity and never talk to you no matter what you say. Try being a ♥♥♥♥ to Visas.

[Iron_Gladiator_]

Is there an influence bug with handmaiden?

I Played the TSLRCM as a Jedi Consular and I had NO problem gaining influence with Handmaiden and didn't have this problem.

However, my second playthrough I ran into this issue because none of the proper gain influence dialogue options gained any influence. Also, influence spots in the game with Handmaiden didn't work either. I gained no influence or lost influence if I reloaded and did a negative action with handmaid. It's as if both were gain and loss influence were broken an wouldn't worked either way.

Like I said, this didn't happen in the first playthrough. I was wondering if talking to Handmaiden at the telos academy before she was in the party caused this?

[Mardoin69]

Originally posted by Iron_Gladiator_:

Is there an influence bug with handmaiden?

I Played the TSLRCM as a Jedi Consular and I had NO problem gaining influence with Handmaiden and didn't have this problem.

However, my second playthrough I ran into this issue because none of the proper gain influence dialogue options gained any influence. Also, influence spots in the game with Handmaiden didn't work either. I gained no influence or lost influence if I reloaded and did a negative action with handmaid. It's as if both were gain and loss influence were broken an wouldn't worked either way.

Like I said, this didn't happen in the first playthrough. I was wondering if talking to Handmaiden at the telos academy before she was in the party caused this?

I doubt the conversation with her BEFORE she joins... has anything to do with it. And, while you could be experiencing a 'bug' to your game install, the issue might just be your dialogue choices. Unless you are certain you are using the same choice as the last time you played (where you did get influence) it maybe that you are just choosing a dialogue that is 'Neutral' when it comes to 'influence' gain / loss. Also, Handmaiden's 'influence' is usually obtained by doing training with her... along with making correct responses.