atton vs the twilek twins...

[MR.hyde]

omg why! now i have to use cheat engine to win the battle... bad game design!

[Terra]

That fight was super hard my first time through the game.

Second time somebody mentioned you can stand behind the bar and they can't pathfind to you. So if you don't have enough mines to finangle your way out of it in a "real" fight, just remember - scoundrels are dirtbags, and you should play the part. Use every underhanded trick in your disposal.

[Vlad]

I'm actually pretty sure that the devs expected Nar Shaddaa to be done later after you make Atton a Jedi possibly so that he could be well developed by then and be better stat-wise. My biggest qualm with the game in terms of difficulty is that enemies don't seem to actually scale with level, so if you're unlucky enough or intentionally get a really high amount of light or dark side points to trigger Visas appearing, it's possible you'll be unprepared and essentially stuck, just as an example. It seems to be a case similar to that pretty much everywhere you go.

[Private Pinky]

Get good m7+1

[I AM BAYTOR]

When controlling Mira, use stealth and mines. I mine hallways, use stealth to travel around, attract a group of enemies and run back to the mines to let those take care of them.

With Atton... do what the people said. I had two upgraded Watchmen blasters on him and took the gals out easily, even at close range. Used melee shield for defense.

It's not too hard. I beat Mira's section without leveling her up (wanted to save it for when she's a Jedi) while the Exile was level 15, got through it without trouble on the difficult difficulty. Mines are your friend when using her.

Idk. Stock up on mines, make sure you have some melee and energy shields, and if your first aid skill is high enough build a ton of life support packs.

[Josh!]

Originalmente postado por Vladimir:

I'm actually pretty sure that the devs expected Nar Shaddaa to be done later after you make Atton a Jedi possibly

It's literally impossible to do that without going to Nar Shaddaa first.

(Also, Atton suggests Nar Shaddaa as the first place to go after Telos.

[I AM BAYTOR]

Originalmente postado por Rather Dashing:

Originalmente postado por Vladimir:

I'm actually pretty sure that the devs expected Nar Shaddaa to be done later after you make Atton a Jedi possibly

It's literally impossible to do that without going to Nar Shaddaa first.

(Also, Atton suggests Nar Shaddaa as the first place to go after Telos.

This is true. The game actually kinda works against letting you make Atton a Jedi if Nar Shadaa is your first planet, because by the time you talk to the twilek men you'll likely have done enough to have the Exchange contact you, starting the whole solo Mira/Atton/Bounty Hunter business. Can't get back to Atton to make him a Jedi until you finish G0T0's yacht. Though I'm sure there's an order you can go to make Atton a jedi before all that stuff starts.

[Seera1024]

Originalmente postado por Rectal Fungi:

Originalmente postado por Rather Dashing:

It's literally impossible to do that without going to Nar Shaddaa first.

(Also, Atton suggests Nar Shaddaa as the first place to go after Telos.

This is true. The game actually kinda works against letting you make Atton a Jedi if Nar Shadaa is your first planet, because by the time you talk to the twilek men you'll likely have done enough to have the Exchange contact you, starting the whole solo Mira/Atton/Bounty Hunter business. Can't get back to Atton to make him a Jedi until you finish G0T0's yacht. Though I'm sure there's an order you can go to make Atton a jedi before all that stuff starts.

Depends on your influence with Atton. I've done Nar Shadaa just enough to turn Atton into a Jedi (I was successful) and the only things I couldn't avoid was the Red Eclipse and Visas steps.

[I AM BAYTOR]

Originalmente postado por Seera1024:

Originalmente postado por Rectal Fungi:

This is true. The game actually kinda works against letting you make Atton a Jedi if Nar Shadaa is your first planet, because by the time you talk to the twilek men you'll likely have done enough to have the Exchange contact you, starting the whole solo Mira/Atton/Bounty Hunter business. Can't get back to Atton to make him a Jedi until you finish G0T0's yacht. Though I'm sure there's an order you can go to make Atton a jedi before all that stuff starts.

Depends on your influence with Atton. I've done Nar Shadaa just enough to turn Atton into a Jedi (I was successful) and the only things I couldn't avoid was the Red Eclipse and Visas steps.

Oh you can get enough influence for sure, but if you progress too far with the Nar Shadaa quests, you'll eventually be forced to go back to the Ebon Hawk once you leave the... I think either the docks or refugee sector, can't remember which, but once that happens you're stuck with only using Exile, then Mira, then Atton, ect. You can't get back to Atton to talk to him until you finish the yacht and whatnot. So you have to plan ahead a little bit if you're trying to make Atton a jedi right away. It can be done, but do things in the wrong order and you gotta wait a planet.

Side note, is it just me or does XP gain seem to be a bit more than before the update? I was level 17 when under the Jekk Jekk Tar and that was my first planet, iirc before I would have been maybe around level 10 or 12.

[Vlad]

Originalmente postado por Rather Dashing:

Originalmente postado por Vladimir:

I'm actually pretty sure that the devs expected Nar Shaddaa to be done later after you make Atton a Jedi possibly

It's literally impossible to do that without going to Nar Shaddaa first.

(Also, Atton suggests Nar Shaddaa as the first place to go after Telos.

You can go to Nar Shaddaa first, talk to the Twi'Lek, then leave the planet and do another planet instead. There is nothing (except a few events here and there, like receiving Visquis' message to meet the exile alone) stopping you from going planet to planet in between missions. You are 95% of the time free to leave basically whenever, and visit whichever planet you desire. Also, Dantooine leads to you getting your lightsaber quicker, is far easier to do than Nar Shaddaa (imho, minus the Laigreks), and you must build said lightsaber, as far as I'm aware, to even teach anybody else to be a Jedi as well.

As for Atton suggesting you go to Nar Shaddaa first, Kreia also suggests you don't help people, but Meetra Surik, canonically, was good and helped whomever she could.

[Seera1024]

Originalmente postado por Vladimir:

Originalmente postado por Rather Dashing:

It's literally impossible to do that without going to Nar Shaddaa first.

(Also, Atton suggests Nar Shaddaa as the first place to go after Telos.

You can go to Nar Shaddaa first, talk to the Twi'Lek, then leave the planet and do another planet instead. There is nothing (except a few events here and there, like receiving Visquis' message to meet the exile alone) stopping you from going planet to planet in between missions. You are 95% of the time free to leave basically whenever, and visit whichever planet you desire. Also, Dantooine leads to you getting your lightsaber quicker, is far easier to do than Nar Shaddaa (imho, minus the Laigreks), and you must build said lightsaber, as far as I'm aware, to even teach anybody else to be a Jedi as well.

As for Atton suggesting you go to Nar Shaddaa first, Kreia also suggests you don't help people, but Meetra Surik, canonically, was good and helped whomever she could.

Nope, don't need a lightsaber to train anyone.

My last game that I got far enough to turn anyone, I literally went from Telos to Nar Shadaa just long enough to turn Atton, then went to do Datooine and built my lightsaber.

[Vlad]

Originalmente postado por Seera1024:

Nope, don't need a lightsaber to train anyone.

My last game that I got far enough to turn anyone, I literally went from Telos to Nar Shadaa just long enough to turn Atton, then went to do Datooine and built my lightsaber.

Then I stand corrected. However the rest remains true. As soon as you train Atton at Nar Shaddaa, you're free to leave right then and there, so long as you haven't done enough to gain attention from the Exchange and get Visquis' offer.

[Derek]

This game can very punishing at times forinstnce don't go to koraband first. If you do you will be caught between asasins more powerful than you or that sith who sneaks on your ship so gg. Btw I think this and my examble is bad design because you can't know there coming and wait untill your ready untill you do them, but then you get stuck in a unwinnable situation so if your new be preparred to save very often or be preparred to either to use cheats or restart

[Daddy Fuzzbottom]

Nar Shadaa has a ton of opportunities to up Atton's influence so you should be able to train him almost immediately after the Twi'lek talks to you.

Really though you don't need him to be a Jedi for that fight.

[hilianstuffs]

Originalmente postado por Opos:

This game can very punishing at times forinstnce don't go to koraband first. If you do you will be caught between asasins more powerful than you or that sith who sneaks on your ship so gg. Btw I think this and my examble is bad design because you can't know there coming and wait untill your ready untill you do them, but then you get stuck in a unwinnable situation so if your new be preparred to save very often or be preparred to either to use cheats or restart

Oh god. Now you tell me. xD Korraban was my second planet (PRE-TM47 MIND YOU!), and I almost died many times. I'm just lucky I used an XP exploit thing to get Master Heal early. :P

[Toha]

Not a difficult fight, really. Not that hard to pull off even with melee scoundrel Atton.