STAR WARS™ Knights of the Old Republic™ II: The Sith Lords™

STAR WARS™ Knights of the Old Republic™ II: The Sith Lords™

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Sashaa28 2021 年 3 月 2 日 下午 9:50
Kotor 1 vs 2
No spoilers please, just beat Kotor last night and it was incredible like everything I have read said it would be. I am going to start up Kotor 2 with the cut content mod soon and I am wondering which game do you prefer? For the most part, I have heard that the dialogue in this game is incredible but the overall story is a bit better in 1. What do you guys think?
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Cuddle_Rat 2021 年 3 月 4 日 下午 1:34 
引用自 Goblin949
引用自 Cuddle_Rat
I feel both games suffer from <...> space Mother Theresa or caveman with a lightclub
I think you are talking about Star Wars as a whole. :steammocking:

As do I, I feel that Star Wars media as a whole (minus the written media to an extent) has stagnated due to the producers of such things being afraid to offend or scare off the die hard fans who are committed to the established ideals created by the original trilogy, i.e the sequel films being a compete rehash of the original films. A distinct lack of innovation is to what I attribute the fall of Star Wars gaming popularity. Throughout the 90's and early 2000's I saw a great number of SW games produced, however, they all felt the same. Lol I feel like I'm writing a manifesto now so I'm just going to stop, I'm very sorry for hijacking this post! :steamthumbsup:
Dragon Master 2021 年 3 月 6 日 下午 2:42 
KOTOR2 is quite interesting. It basically takes everything you think you know about Star Wars and paints it in a new light without taking away from what Star Wars is.

What I'm about to say isn't really spoilers, but I'm putting the comments in a spoiler box because it flirts with the line.

There aren't any companions you can fully trust.

It highlights the flaws of both the Jedi and the Sith.

It really questions the philosophy of the Jedi and Sith, the Force itself, and whether or not being charitable or cruel truly have their intended consequences.

The game focuses a lot on echoes of actions, both past and present, and the nature of those echoes affecting people down the line.


I do like that you can influence your companions towards light or dark in KOTOR 2.
Where's The Lamb Sauce 2021 年 3 月 6 日 下午 5:25 
Overall I probably enjoyed kotor 2 more because of its story. But I feel like the first game had a few more enjoyable interactions. They're both good lol
cerberusiv 2021 年 3 月 6 日 下午 9:58 
A couple of detail issues.

Security skill was effectively broken in 1 because you could bash containers all day long and not break the contents. In 2, you bash it, you (probably) break it.

Crafting in 1 was pretty marginal whereas in 2 crafting good upgrades can turn a middling weapon or armour suit something very good. Also, you can make useful weapons. If you have enough components and skills available you can create a blaster or repeating blaster rifle or a vibrosword, give it basic upgrades and have a useable weapon in the early game. I usually play sentinel and crafting and basic upgrades for a blaster rifle and 3 vibroswords on Peragus makes the Harbinger through to Citadel Station much easier.

Stealth is slightly more useful in 2 as there are times when sneaking up to someone and listening to a conversation gets you useful information. But Atton or G0-T0 can do it for you.
Thorwyn 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 1:28 
KotOR 2: RCM > KotOR 1 > KotOR 2
J.C. Denton 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 11:10 
Kotor 2 is better in any case besides the sad fact that is game totally unfinished.
primkup 2021 年 3 月 31 日 上午 10:12 
Truth to be told, I like both games a lot, but I prefer KotOR 1 a little bit more.
Some part of KotOR 2 are little bit boring and the game is partly unfinished.
Darth Traya is however the best character in the series.
Dellamorte 2021 年 4 月 3 日 上午 8:41 
Replayed both fairly recently and KOTOR 2, unfinished as it is, in my opinion, still beats most/all RPGs made nowadays, KOTOR, while being a good game, is better left as game once enjoyed.
Peelsepuuppi 2021 年 4 月 17 日 下午 1:25 
The overall story of Kotor 2 is way better even without the content restoration mod. Kotor 1 is a pretty typical SW story which is very enjoyable. However Kotor 2 actually tries to do something interesting with the story and the setting.

Even with an unfinished product Chris Avellone succeeded where Rian Johnson failed.

Avellone wrote an effective deconstruction with interesting ideas that at times can be harsh towards the franchise. And Yet he doesn't spit in the face of the franchise, but allows for some respect towards it too. That is something the newer deconstruction utterly fails at.
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Hassat Hunter 2021 年 4 月 17 日 下午 3:39 
引用自 ToveriJuri
Even with an unfinished product Chris Avellone succeeded where Rian Johnson failed.
And 12 years earlier at that.
Pretty sure Rian tried to rip-off some elements of KOTOR2 without understanding them and failed spectacularly.
Peelsepuuppi 2021 年 4 月 18 日 上午 3:18 
引用自 Hassat Hunter
引用自 ToveriJuri
Even with an unfinished product Chris Avellone succeeded where Rian Johnson failed.
And 12 years earlier at that.
Pretty sure Rian tried to rip-off some elements of KOTOR2 without understanding them and failed spectacularly.

Yeah it does really seem that way.
psychotron666 2021 年 4 月 18 日 上午 8:49 
引用自 Hassat Hunter
引用自 ToveriJuri
Even with an unfinished product Chris Avellone succeeded where Rian Johnson failed.
And 12 years earlier at that.
Pretty sure Rian tried to rip-off some elements of KOTOR2 without understanding them and failed spectacularly.

True, but this is why I enjoy the last Jedi the best of the sequels, it was the most like Kotor. Force bonds, discarding the Jedi and Sith teachings as too extreme, making the force seem more like this mystical power like it was in the original star wars.

The last Jedi was at least something fresh in the franchise. Force awakens was an extremely lazy new hope reboot, and rise of Skywalker was too much perceived damage control to appease a bunch of cry baby fans who will never be appeased (and thus failed, pissing off both fans and haters of the last Jedi and pleasing nobody).

The last Jedi had many interesting ideas and could have had a much better franchise had that explores these ideas instead of throwing them away. ♥♥♥♥ JJ Abrams mystery box Ted talk ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the force awakens. does every force sensitive and person in the galaxy have to be related?
Peelsepuuppi 2021 年 4 月 18 日 上午 10:49 
引用自 psychotron666
引用自 Hassat Hunter
And 12 years earlier at that.
Pretty sure Rian tried to rip-off some elements of KOTOR2 without understanding them and failed spectacularly.

True, but this is why I enjoy the last Jedi the best of the sequels, it was the most like Kotor. Force bonds, discarding the Jedi and Sith teachings as too extreme, making the force seem more like this mystical power like it was in the original star wars.

The last Jedi was at least something fresh in the franchise. Force awakens was an extremely lazy new hope reboot, and rise of Skywalker was too much perceived damage control to appease a bunch of cry baby fans who will never be appeased (and thus failed, pissing off both fans and haters of the last Jedi and pleasing nobody).

The last Jedi had many interesting ideas and could have had a much better franchise had that explores these ideas instead of throwing them away. ♥♥♥♥ JJ Abrams mystery box Ted talk ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the force awakens. does every force sensitive and person in the galaxy have to be related?

So what you are saying is that FA was an extremely lezy A New Hope reboot while TLJ was an extremely lazy KOTOR 2 ripoff?
psychotron666 2021 年 4 月 18 日 下午 3:17 
引用自 ToveriJuri
引用自 psychotron666

True, but this is why I enjoy the last Jedi the best of the sequels, it was the most like Kotor. Force bonds, discarding the Jedi and Sith teachings as too extreme, making the force seem more like this mystical power like it was in the original star wars.

The last Jedi was at least something fresh in the franchise. Force awakens was an extremely lazy new hope reboot, and rise of Skywalker was too much perceived damage control to appease a bunch of cry baby fans who will never be appeased (and thus failed, pissing off both fans and haters of the last Jedi and pleasing nobody).

The last Jedi had many interesting ideas and could have had a much better franchise had that explores these ideas instead of throwing them away. ♥♥♥♥ JJ Abrams mystery box Ted talk ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the force awakens. does every force sensitive and person in the galaxy have to be related?

So what you are saying is that FA was an extremely lezy A New Hope reboot while TLJ was an extremely lazy KOTOR 2 ripoff?

In a sense, yes. However I'd rather have an extremely lazy Kotor 2 rip off than an extremely lazy new hope ripoff, considering we already have a new hope in movie format.

The whole movie franchise is a testament to Extreme laziness. Lucas even threw out all plans of return of the Jedi and everything they built up in empire strikes back to make a simpler story to sell more toys and vs easier for kids to follow (also he didn't like the dark tone of empire strikes back and wanted to lighten it), forever changing the trajectory of the franchise into sub parness.

Because of the laziness of the franchise in general, the last Jedi is probably my 3rd or 4th favourite of the star wars movies. Only the original two were actually exceptional (and even they had the hallmarks of star wars today, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ acting and even worse dialogue) and the rest of the franchise is more or less the same, with varying degrees of quality.

But star wars fans are just a rabid mob that's easily distracted. All the hate the sequels get (for varying levels of justification), they are seemingly giving the mandalorian TV show a pass, despite being guilty of all the stuff the sequels did bad, and then some. I am actually baffled how people can absolutely hate the sequels trilogy, but suck off the mandalorian TV show, which is just as bad, and in many cases worse.
Sashaa28 2021 年 4 月 18 日 下午 10:43 
I have played through both since I made this post and have to say that while I 1000% enjoyed playing through 2 more, the story of 1 was undoubtably better. The mechanics, movement, planets, quests are all a lot more enjoable in 2. The problem is just the main line, expecially at the end, is so rushed. I do not blame them as they had to get the game out way ahead of schedule, but the CRIMINAL lack of character development on Sion or Nihilus and the jump all over the place last couple hours of the game is poor compared to what it could have been. They are really both incredible games and its a shame that 2 had to be rushed. Hope they make a 3rd one someday
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