Question Korriban cave

[Mandalore]

Are there any specific dialogue options that i need to choose to get dark side points AND survive? I just realized that if I lose against the illusions (and not die), I get massive dark side points... and ive tried it out with a couple characters.

I did a dark side female and lost against Malak and Kreia and was able to survive those two without losing the game/dying, but when I tried to do it against the Mandalorians/Revan, I lost the game and had to restart to an earlier save.

I tried this again by going LSF (I had a couple saved games so I could do it effectively) and I could go through all the parts without dying...

So is there a specific dialogue option that I need to choose?

[servent]

NO it's a narrative device that Obsidian programed into the game, that the coursory illusions of maybe's and what-ifs are the Sith Lords of Korriban eroding your will. While the ghosts of your past can kill you if you can't surpass your pains, (since, in reality, The Exile cut herself off from the force because those events were too overwhelming for back then, and could kill her).

Sth Lords is an incrediably nuanced game.

(edit) for example this game gives the reason why leveling up is a thing in the game, because you are feeding off the life force of everyone you kill. Which is why the level cap in the game is 55

[Mandalore]

That wasnt my question exactly. It was if I needed to choose any specific dialogue to get past the illusions or if it was by random chance that i survive or not.

[cerberusiv]

Quite honestly if you are struggling in the cave tomb you have either gone to korriban first, not recommended, or you have not built your character properly, or both, As for DSP's you should not really need much more by this point in the game.

SPOILERS: Malak is easy if you stasis field/insanity the others and just kill him. Kreia and your companions should not be hard if you build correctly and are around lvl 18-20 or so (dialogue hint: redemption). The mandalorians are easy if you can defuse the mines and let the republic soldiers do most of the work. If you are struggling with the Revan encounter then lay a minefield in the corridor before you open the door and lead them back through it.

And before you ask, I play on hard difficulty.

[cerberusiv]

Originally posted by Tronald Dump:

That wasnt my question exactly. It was if I needed to choose any specific dialogue to get past the illusions or if it was by random chance that i survive or not.

The theme of the game is redemption.

[DJ]

Originally posted by cerberusiv:

Originally posted by Tronald Dump:

That wasnt my question exactly. It was if I needed to choose any specific dialogue to get past the illusions or if it was by random chance that i survive or not.

The theme of the game is redemption.

Eh...sort of...

[servent]

Originally posted by Tronald Dump:

That wasnt my question exactly. It was if I needed to choose any specific dialogue to get past the illusions or if it was by random chance that i survive or not.

The first word I wrote was NO,
(and then explained why)
no dialog or pre-requisit actions needed to survive a botched Malak/Kreia fight
I remember siding with Malak can result in Dark Side gain, but he will either attack you or just overwelm you with Dark Side energy
And siding with Kreia is Dark Side, but there is a fight regardless

I can't remember what to do with Revan.
Easiest Mandalorians is Light Side, disable/ disarm all mines, then return to your troops to fight

[Mandalore]

Cerberus, im not having difficulties in Korriban at all. Im wondering if I *intentionally* lose a fight to gain dark sided points. The next time you play through Korriban (make sure you save before trying this), intentionally lose to Malak and the other illusions. You will gain a dark sided shift.

I tried doing that with the Mandalorians earlier, and I succeeded, and when I tried that again, I failed. So im wondering if it has to do with dialogue options in order to get that dark sided shift. Thats it. I have no troubles whatsoever with any part of the game, as ive completed it more times than i can count, and on hard difficulty as well, as well as with all the classes and subsets (you know, consular/guardian/sentinel/watchman/weapon master/jedi master, and same thing respectively with the sith

Ill try to break it down for you further. Basically what happens is that you enter the cave. If you win, you either gain dark side points for not regretting your decision to go to war, or being a ♥♥♥♥ like "im going to kill you all", or "miss the carnage of war? never"... You get light side points if you say "yeah, i pretty much regret everything and I should have listened to the council... etc" and try to redeem Kreia.

However, thats the norm. If you lose against Malak and his illusions however, you gain a heavy dark side shift. Same thing with the Mandalorians like I tried earlier, Kreia and the others, and Revan. However, at times, I died instead of getting that dark sided shift, and I was wondering if there was a specific dialogue option I had to choose to proc that.

[ItsBobaFett]

I don't have the answer to your question, but to add another interesting point - I just did the cave and lost to Revan on purpose and gained DSP. Never had this happen before. I usually just die.

Originally posted by Tronald Dump:

Cerberus, im not having difficulties in Korriban at all. Im wondering if I *intentionally* lose a fight to gain dark sided points. The next time you play through Korriban (make sure you save before trying this), intentionally lose to Malak and the other illusions. You will gain a dark sided shift.

I tried doing that with the Mandalorians earlier, and I succeeded, and when I tried that again, I failed. So im wondering if it has to do with dialogue options in order to get that dark sided shift. Thats it. I have no troubles whatsoever with any part of the game, as ive completed it more times than i can count, and on hard difficulty as well, as well as with all the classes and subsets (you know, consular/guardian/sentinel/watchman/weapon master/jedi master, and same thing respectively with the sith

Ill try to break it down for you further. Basically what happens is that you enter the cave. If you win, you either gain dark side points for not regretting your decision to go to war, or being a ♥♥♥♥ like "im going to kill you all", or "miss the carnage of war? never"... You get light side points if you say "yeah, i pretty much regret everything and I should have listened to the council... etc" and try to redeem Kreia.

However, thats the norm. If you lose against Malak and his illusions however, you gain a heavy dark side shift. Same thing with the Mandalorians like I tried earlier, Kreia and the others, and Revan. However, at times, I died instead of getting that dark sided shift, and I was wondering if there was a specific dialogue option I had to choose to proc that.

[cerberusiv]

Apologies, I misunderstood the question. I always leave Korriban to last and am fully dark side by then - so more concerned with avoiding LSP's.

With the Mandalorians the dark side option is to order the troops to charge, although that leaves you more work to do.

I always prefer to kill Malak for role play reasons so don't know about DSP's at that point.

With Kreia you need to avoid the "apathy is death" responses as that just puts you in a loop and gets you nowhere. The LS option is to go for her possibility of redemption so I assume you need to commit to Kreia and the dark side for DSP's.

[Effix]

(Spoilers) All possibilities and explanations should be in here:
http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotorii/locations/secrettomb.php

[Dr.Fumetastic]

Originally posted by cerberusiv:

Apologies, I misunderstood the question. I always leave Korriban to last and am fully dark side by then - so more concerned with avoiding LSP's.

I think you misunderstood the question again. OP's question specifically targets the case of (intentionally) failing combat with the illusions. In some cases he just dies and in others he gains a DS shift and survives. If I understood him correctly, OP now wants to know why that happens and how to influence it.

[Mandalore]

Yes, thats what I was referring to Dr. Fumetastic.

Effix, I tried that out yesterday, and I "died" to the Mandalorians and to the dark sided reflection on me (on purpose), and was forced to restart...

[Hassat Hunter]

It's kinda buggy.
Haven't really found a reason for that to fix it.
The idea is that Dark Siders Force regenerate (but can die) and Light Siders are immortal, but it just doesn't work sometimes for some reason and I haven't been able to figure out what's wrong with it :/

[Mandalore]

Okay, so how far light side should I be in order to become "immortal"

[Dr.Fumetastic]

Originally posted by Tronald Dump:

Okay, so how far light side should I be in order to become "immortal"

The specific amount of LS points doesn't matter( or at least shouldn't). The only thing that matters is that you enter the cave as LS character. You just need about 75% of either alignment to enter the cave in the first place( the same restrictions apply that also apply to Visas showing up and choosing the advanced class iirc).