Getting rid of annoying brats?

[Shamayne]

Hey,
does anyone know if there is a way to get rid of these annoying children? I don't mind so much their blocking my way but their constant voice fx and the other people laughing about it.
I really wish I could get rid of them, by any means possible. Putting them to eternal rest would be mostly prefered, beating them up a little (or more) would be okay, too.
If neither is an option, I would be okay with a simple hack to get them out of my game.

I have no idea what Ubi was thinking putting stuff like that into the game. At least in the games before you could vent a little by killing the beggars, or those ugly minstrels.

[AKMARK5000]

Yeah, I get to the point where I want to just shoot the in the face or cut their little heads off.

[Iceman]

Throw coins at them, that'll get them off your back.

[raubrey]

The game advises you (though you may miss it) to just throw money at them. I found they left me alone if I jumped by them or whatnot. Throwing the money is easier but I didn't always have that slotted for quick action. I find the generic NPCs generally a bit more irritating in AC3 vs. 2.

P.S. Though it's not nice, I believe you can kill civilians if you select the Aim function (Default F on keyboard). I don't condone it though, nor would Connor. ;)

I really shudder to think some of you will be parents someday. brrrr, even if I too wanted to push them out of the way at least.

[AKMARK5000]

I see your concern RAUBREY, but AC3 is a game... game AI are not real so why not just blast the little annoyances?

[obom]

If you don't want to spend money, just pull your weapon an threat! Take out you'r tomahawk or sword, that'll get them running. Don't forget to sheat it pretty quickly afterwards, or you'll have the guards on your back! And DON'T slay children ...I'm a father you know, couldn't stand that. God knows I sometimes feel like ....oh no, I went into therapy for that, I'm over it am I not?! ;-)

[Shamayne]

Frankly, those pesky rats aren't worth my money. It's just totally overdone from what I think. If this would happen in RL, believe me, those brats would get a smack in the face, they would still hear the bells ringing five years later.
What really pis**es me off are those applauding idiots, laughing and considering this funny, even if they get pushed into the mud by those mutts...
Seriously, it may be funny for the first two or three times, which makes me wonder: Do those developers actually PLAY their games at all? I mean this gets annoying real fast, I really wish there would be ways to mod this game to some degree.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by OBOM:

If you don't want to spend money, just pull your weapon an threat! Take out you'r tomahawk or sword, that'll get them running.

Huh, didn't know you could do that. I'l do that next time.

[Shamayne]

You just have to make sure you don't use your hidden blades. They get ignored, and as you can't target children, slaying them is not an option :)

[obom]

If this would happen in RL, believe me, those brats would get a smack in the face, they would still hear the bells ringing five years later.

Oh, you're a real nice person aren't you?! I hope you never ever become a parent, your' not worthy. Stop and considder your words please, the world is not a better place with statements like that.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by AKMARK5000:

I see your concern RAUBREY, but AC3 is a game... game AI are not real so why not just blast the little annoyances?

Some people took the comment a wee bit serious (not you AKMark, or you weren't rude at least). I really intended the comment as light-hearted: as in god, wait until you're a parent and see your patience tried then.

It (my comment) has nothing to do with video games and violence but how people respond to frustration -- so you people (of that defensive ilk) get off the soap box, there is nothing to defend here. Conversely, I don't care if one is a parent or not -- some people are not meant to be -- including my neighbor whom I'm sure will be hauled off for abuse some day -- either that or I'll go to jail for disturbing the peace (we can blame AC3 <wink> ) as the yelling is driving me nuts. Does he play a video game? I don't know and it's irrelevent to me at the moment.

If this would happen in RL, believe me, those brats would get a smack in the face, they would still hear the bells ringing five years later.

Oh, you're a real nice person aren't you?! I hope you never ever become a parent, your' not worthy. Stop and considder your words please, the world is not a better place with statements like that.

Correction: OBOM was quoting someone ...and didn't put it in quotes so name/reply fix here: So scratching part of what I said.

Originally posted by Shamayne:

Frankly, those pesky rats aren't worth my money. It's just totally overdone from what I think. If this would happen in RL, believe me, those brats would get a smack in the face, they would still hear the bells ringing five years later.
What really pis**es me off are those applauding idiots,

The person talking real violence, please talk to someone -- you need help. I don't care how overdone or irritating the digital orphans are.

The people that want to strangle per se pixels (me among them on occassion) are one thing... Though really, I don't know why Ubisoft did this...it can't be a good thing...frustration+ hormones/instability = unhealthy. In any case I was far more miffed about the political agenda inserted in the game but that is a big "I digress..".

Good Lord, people wonder why gamers get a bad rap. LOL

Anyway, apologies to the non-violent people that were offended. It's probably misdirected frustration about my neighbor. Abusive people just suck and words matter.

[W.S]

someone make the discipline mod where you can give them a good 5 fingers across the ass for being roudy kids
Pretty sure its still legal back then :P

[Shamayne]

Originally posted by Maou:

someone make the discipline mod where you can give them a good 5 fingers across the ass for being roudy kids
Pretty sure its still legal back then :P

Finally someone who seems to understand what I mean.

Originally posted by raubrey:

Some people took the comment a wee bit serious (not you AKMark, or you weren't rude at least). I really intended the comment as light-hearted: as in god, wait until you're a parent and see your patience tried then.

Originally posted by Shamayne:

Frankly, those pesky rats aren't worth my money. It's just totally overdone from what I think. If this would happen in RL, believe me, those brats would get a smack in the face, they would still hear the bells ringing five years later.
What really pis**es me off are those applauding idiots,

The person talking real violence, please talk to someone -- you need help. I don't care how overdone or irritating the digital orphans are.

Good Lord, people wonder why gamers get a bad rap. LOL

I guess in this day and age you always have to take out massive signs with smilies and emotes just so noone misunderstands anything and still...

At first you notice that my post was meant in a sarcastic way, trying to vent my frustration about a game mechanic I seriously can't stand and later on, you totally turn around.

I seriously don't need any *help* whatsoever regarding violence. I never have been in a fight, besides verbally, but let's just say we talk about physical fights.

When I say, I would smack children that act like this in RL, you should also consider that it is *highly* unlikely to ever come across such a situation. It would be a complete different story if those kids weren't shoving and laughing all the time. If they would simple stand in your way, following you and begging it would be a completely different matter.
The simple fact that it's done in a way no kid would normally behave is annoying.

Think about it this way: You walk through a mall and something like this would happen. Now tell me seriously, you wouldn't want to smack them after 5 minutes of constant harassment from those kids. At least you would try to shove them out of your way and I guarantee you, not in a friendly way :-)

Before you start telling people they should look for help, think longer. It's so easy to point fingers. Everyone talks about abuse so fast, calleing everything abuse when it really isn't.
Parents get pointed out for simply disciplining their children (and I am not talking about parents that beat their kids black and blue - those deserve what they get (the parents) but most of the time they get away scott free).

Regarding the bad rep that gamers shine on games: If you are referring to those gun crazies, deleting complete schools or whatever. You should keep in mind that those freaks *never* talked about anything regarding to their later acts. I sincerely doubt that I start running amok smacking little children in the face the next few years.

Frankly the opening question I did post out of the game *while* I was annoyed by those brats for 3 minutes in a row, it felt like they followed me through whole Boston. It was just to much. Normally I only think "Oh god, not this again" and go my merry way. I still would be glad for an option to shove them away like thos kids do with the bystanders and send them flying on their butts.

And for all the concerned people out there, that I might have offended with my comments: You can be sure that I won't have own kids. It's the same with dogs for me, it's nice to keep an eye on them for a friend for a while but I don't want that kind of responsibility for the rest of my life. Because unlike so many others I ususally think before I act.

Good night

PS: @raubrey: Maybe you should direct the frustration about you neighbor to the right way and *do* something regarding his abuse instead of just talking about it. Sound like the typical fallout you hear after something worse happened when everyone says something like "Oh, everyone knew what was going on but why should I have been the one foing something about it. It's not my responsibility".
Yeah, but I need help *smiles*

[Bah]

It sucks you can't kill them.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by Shamayne:

Originally posted by Maou:

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When I say, I would smack children that act like this in RL, you should also consider that it is *highly* unlikely to ever come across such a situation.

Don't go to Mexico.

Think about it this way: You walk through a mall and something like this would happen. Now tell me seriously, you wouldn't want to smack them after 5 minutes of constant harassment from those kids. At least you would try to shove them out of your way and I guarantee you, not in a friendly way :-)

What people feel like doing and do are seperate. Neither the kids or "you" would be allowed to act in a mall this way without repercussion. But probably what I would do is just tell security. Why is violence the first response?

Before you start telling people they should look for help, think longer. It's so easy to point fingers. Everyone talks about abuse so fast, calleing everything abuse when it really isn't.
Parents get pointed out for simply disciplining their children (and I am not talking about parents that beat their kids black and blue - those deserve what they get (the parents) but most of the time they get away scott free).

I wasn't one of those time-out, oh-honey-quit-setting-the-dog-on-fire parents, but neither was I belt swinger. I know what abuse is -- it doesn't matter what income bracket or region. I've encountered bonefide abusive parents ..and worse. Do one of those neighborhood crime check things -- well, I've had RL experience with it. A neighbor of 10 years...one day find out he's a pedophile and god help me my girl had talked to him for years (mostly through the fence thank god).

Regarding the bad rep that gamers shine on games: If you are referring to those gun crazies, deleting complete schools or whatever. You should keep in mind that those freaks *never* talked about anything regarding to their later acts. I sincerely doubt that I start running amok smacking little children in the face the next few years.

Frankly the opening question I did post out of the game *while* I was annoyed by those brats for 3 minutes in a row, it felt like they followed me through whole Boston. It was just to much. Normally I only think "Oh god, not this again" and go my merry way. I still would be glad for an option to shove them away like thos kids do with the bystanders and send them flying on their butts.

The bad rep I'm referring to is linking video games with violence -- without any specific parameters. Think of it this way -- people get really riled up at sports events or at home watching their team mess up or lose ...in the case of some teams for a period of years. Even still, you don't hear the same saying they are going to smack kids and kick dogs because their team lost --as frustrating as it is.

And for all the concerned people out there, that I might have offended with my comments: You can be sure that I won't have own kids. It's the same with dogs for me, it's nice to keep an eye on them for a friend for a while but I don't want that kind of responsibility for the rest of my life. Because unlike so many others I ususally think before I act.

Glad you know your limits and people shouldn't have kids or dogs if they don't want them. +1

PS: @raubrey: Maybe you should direct the frustration about you neighbor to the right way and *do* something regarding his abuse instead of just talking about it. Sound like the typical fallout you hear after something worse happened when everyone says something like "Oh, everyone knew what was going on but why should I have been the one foing something about it. It's not my responsibility".
Yeah, but I need help *smiles*

It's complicated. I'm sadly out in the boonies now (read small town farming area) and you have to kill cows to get any results around here. Also, if you turn a person in for berating and yelling -- they won't be punished but the kid probably will from the abuser. But I've been through the process before on a much worse scale. I do hope nothing worse happens but it is out of my control.

I guess that is why games are so appealing at times for me. You have some modicum of control -- good or evil (D&D speak) you can kick butt on your enemies or the enemies of the people. Then orphans come in and shake that control -- well, how we respond, our flexibility and adaption to frustration, is up to us.

And back to the original topic ...I have no trouble shoving those brats out of the way. I've repeatedly said this is a bad mechanic --but killing them would be in bad taste at best, though they probably don't allow any violence for fear of retribution from activists groups and lawyers.

In any case, it's not a huge deal to get around this and a small part of the game:.you can throw money, move away or pull out a weapon briefly (doesn't always work).

[Shamayne]

Forgive me if I don't quote each and every paragraph, because honestly, the quoting in this forum is a pain in the back.

I hope you can still see what I am referring to.

First off, thanks for not being offended by my few, pretty harsh answers. You see, english is not my native language and even though I can get my point across, sometimes it's not meant as blunt as it sounds.

I agree that offering the option of killing children would be a bit extreme and I doubt that I would refer to that kind of thing. Although I have to admit that I killed a beggar in AC1 after this stupid thing had me fail a mission multiple times. I warned her though, but she didn't listen *laughs*
After that, everything was fine again. And I didn't even care about her the next time she stood in my way. Would I act like that in RL, I guess not, as we don't have savepoints.
The suggestion to ready a weapon doesn't seem to work in my game, I tried multiple times to no avail. And the post started, because I was unable to move away from those snots. They followed me literally through a complete district in Boston and stopped only after they witnessed me taking out a guard bare handed (so much for my blooflust). So, I tried different ways to deal with this situation and it didn't work.

Thinking of that, it's funny how many comments condemn me to being oh-so-horible to kids, while they themselves have hundreds of virtual adults put into their early graves *smiles*

Your example concerning sports teams is not really working. First, the anger is diected towards the teams involvd and not kids. If I would get angry about my local McDonalds, because they burned the fries, I wouldn't start saying I'd like to smack children or dogs. I would say I'd really want them to eat that stuff themselves.
And when I think of it, a lot of sport events ended in being pretty decent battles between fans of different teams. So please, don't compare me to hooligans :-)

Regarding Ubisoft being concerned about different activist groups targetting their games. Just look at PETA going against AC4 and the option to hunt whales. Do these guys have nothing better to do than fighting games? It seems that everything in the real world is already fine and humpty dumpty so they move on to different shores, right?
Don't get me wrong: I am not saying PETA is worthless, I am just saying they should get their priorities in order. Trying to score to many goals mostly ends up in getting nothing done at all.

Oh and just to clarify things regarding abuse and parenting methods: I would never use a belt to discipline a child. One example, a very dear couple visited me once with their 6 or 7 year old boy. We drank coffee and the sugar pot stood on the table. He put his hands into the sugar and licked it off, repeatedly. His parents simply said he should stop that, which he simply ignored. After that I told him if he continues he would get his back smacked, he grinnes as if he was saying 'I dare you' and stuffed the fingers again into the sugar, at which he got one smack like I promised.
It wasn't the pain (as I didn't really hit hard) more the shock at what happened, after he got himself sorted again he asked me why I did that. I explained him my reasons and since then he asks for the reasons when I say no to something, instead of just continuing. Of course, when he thinks my reasons are stupid he just does what he wants but mostly we get to decent compromises. He still does what he wants with his parents.
Is this already violence against minors? I don't know, some may say yes, some say otherwise. I know, that it worked and I doubt he fears me as someone going berserk for no reason. Otherwise he wouldn't be coming over freely to visit me on his own. Maybe it's the case that I treat him as an adult as long as he acts like one and not just lik a child as he is used to from others.

I keep the warning about Mexico in my mind, although I doubt that I ever get the chance to go there. I was waiting for someone to refer to India with begging kids getting all in your face all the time, but even that wouldn't count as an argument, as I would be fully aware what I can expect when going to certain places where this is more or less common.
Like I said a lot of times it's more the involved sound effects and the by standers. And fast walking doesn't work like in the old games (gently shoving them out of your way).

But this is all going far offtopic, so if you want to discuss anything regarding this more, feel free to add me and drop me a message. I am a nice guy, just not in AC3 *laughs*