Kenny and Ben - SPOILERS, DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED!!!

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

Ok, so I just finished.
Ben fell and me and Kenny went down. I took one of the options, I forget which, and Kenny pushed me through the gate which then miraculously locked behind me so I couldn't open it again.
So, why did he do that if he was just going to use the last bullet on Ben and then let himself be eaten?
Why didn't he push me through and then shoot Ben and then follow me?
Made less than zero sense. Rather than feel angry and sad that the last of my original crew was now dead, I just felt really pissed off at the writers for making a character who had been very believable (for a videogame) up to that point go and throw his life away for nothing at all.
I know Ben was going to die, I just didn't want him to turn or be eaten alive. Using the last bullet made sense. But Kenny was talking about "either I save him and me, or we both die and I go to my family, either way I am trying this". Then he made no effort to do anything, just got killed.
Did anyone else feel this way? If of course you got the same outcome as me with the same people I mean.

[skywalkr2]

I wouldn't know... in my game I dropped Ben down the clock tower. In my game Christa jumped down and had to be saved by Kenny.

[Yukami]

There is this hint that Kenny may have not have actually been eaten and might have escaped. Since one, we haven't seen Kenny get eated technically and two, at the end of the episode showing "where are they now?" stuff it says that "Kenny was lost to the herd". Note that it doesn't say he's dead, so it's slightly resonable to say that Kenny hasn't been offically dead yet unless Telltale is just trolling us.

But yeah I agree with the OP. I was mad that Kenny couldn't come with me for some weird reason. He was really starting to become such a brother type of family for Lee and I was really looking forward to Kenny sticking through the whole, rest of the way.

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

Yeah, he was the last of the original bunch I had left, except for the annoying little girl of course, and I wanted at least one of them to survive. To throw his life away in this way was just stupid and pointless, and it annoyed the hell out of me.
What didn't help was that he hated Ben anyway and wanted to leave him behind since he found out what he did (I didn't let Ben confess until the end when he couldn't live with the guilt any more)

[Bite]

I think it was fitting, he gave Ben hell, Kenny wished Ben to be dead, and then he realized that Ben was really just a kid, it's easy to forget that, but he was still a kid regardless.

Kenny really treated him like ♥♥♥♥ and wished him death alot of times, and then it happens, Ben is actually dying, Kenny wanted it and it's happening right in front of his eyes, it would've been really easy to just shot Ben and get back to Lee, but that really wasn't fair for either of them, Ben was a good (though dumb, and often annoying) guy, and Kenny was someone who had done harm to others to survive before too, he wasn't so different from Ben, but there he was, watching as Ben was lying on a pool of his own blood, about to be eaten by his worst fear.

I guess I can just explain my point of view by actually quoting Kenny..."It's just something I gotta do, you know that", when he said that, I really knew what he meant, it was just something he had to do, as a man and as a person, or redemption if you will, and shooting Ben and going back would've been the easy path to redemption IMO, which often times doesn't get the job done.

[Yukami]

^ I like your point. From your point of view, I could also see that it was actually pretty brave of Kenny to be there with Ben before he dies. Kenny lets Ben know that he forgives him in way by staying with him since nobody wants to die alone.

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

Yes, I get all this. But it was pointless. It served no purpose at all for him to stay there and lock the gate so he couldn't get away.
He could have made it clear he had forgiven the kid AND escaped with Lee himself.
It just seemed they hadn't put much thought into Kenny dying, like they knew they had to kill him, the end was coming and they said "oh, let's leave him here".
It was definitely the most pointless and nonsensical death in the whole series

[Monkey King RedLine]

While I do agree it was weird that he just let himself die I think it was because he was done by that point. He had seen his family die and had killed to survive but maybe felt there was no point in continuing without the ones he loved. Thats how I interpreted it anyways.

[J-Gravina]

my biggest hatred is clemintine was just annoying i wanted her dead lol.....

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

Originally posted by J-Gravina:

my biggest hatred is clemintine was just annoying i wanted her dead lol.....

Same, she just never did as she was told, and rarely cared about the danger she was getting you all into.
All she needed was a slap on the legs to give her some discipline

[KrazyKate]

I think Kenny was borderline suicidal by that point. He says something to the effect of "either I save the kid, or I see my family again." He's not willing to blow his brains out like Katja did, but a brave last stand is a different animal.

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

But there was no last stand, not really. They knew there was only 1 bullet, they knew they couldn't get Ben out, they knew they could easily take care of Ben and both Lee and Kenny get away.
I know what the writers were going for, the heroic Kenny forgiving Ben at the end by standing by an trying to help him, and Kenny dying so he can go to his family.
It was just written so badly, and it just didn't fit with the rest of the well written story and sacrifices that were written.
It was almost as horrible and clumsy as Lee was in episode 1 (boy I had to try 3 or 4 times before I could finish episode 1, I just wanted to beat Lee's head in when he kept falling over).
A shame to lose the last of the original team members in such a badly written way, that's all. I am sure they could have written a better end for them both if they had tried a bit harder

[Yukami]

The writers were probably writing from a realistic POV where people tend to make rash decisions without thinking too much. Kenny not having much left was probably set on doing what he was thinking.

w0bbl3r: What would you think of the other ending for Kenny where Ben dies before Episode 5? It's slightly different, but Kenny saves Christa instead so that probably might have been a more pointless death for Kenny.

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

Does he actually SAVE Christa? Or does he sacrifice himself just to put a bullet in her, as he does with Ben?
The writing for this scene was just bad. I see what they were trying to do, but it just wasn't realistic at all.
Maybe you haven't been in tense and violent situations before, where you have to think fast? I have been in riots, I have been in a situation where a crack dealer has been chasing me around a house with a carving knife trying to cut my head off, among other horrible situations. The first thing you do is try not to die. It's survival instinct, and no matter how much you might be wanting to die, or feel depressed, instinct doesn't care, it just takes over, before you can even think about it.
I just think they could have made it so that perhaps they couldn't get to Ben. And Kenny leapt over a fence to get to him or something, knowing he couldn't get back over for some reason? That would have worked much better than just shhutting a gate (that magically locks) and shooting the kid once in the head, which he could have done while the gate was open. The way he was talking he didn't particularly WANT to die. He wasn't too bothered if he did die, but he didn't seem at a point where he would try to get himself killed. He was even talking about saving Ben, even though that was impossible, Ben would have died even if they could have gotten him out. He was skewered through the stomach. That kind of thing needs serious medical treatment, treatment they couldn't have given him.
All in all, the walking dead was great. I had some issues with how Lee kept falling over his own feet in episode 1, and the little girl was annoying most of the time, but the writing was mostly great and I did care about the decisions I made.
It was just this one incident that seemed to stand out as a stupid scene with badly written decisions

[Yukami]

Ooh I see your point. Yeah I haven't been in those kinds of situations before, but now that I'm thinking it over it does seem really weird that Kenny would just lock himself up to die. (Wow I feel sort of dumb >_<) I was trying to see other points of views just to see what's there.

In the other scene Kenny actually does saves Christa. It's past that Ben part and you come across that big hole in the roof. Kenny bumps into Lee making him drop the walkie talkie into the hole. There wasn't any zombies around so Christa jumps down to get it because she didn't want Lee taking chances of losing connection. So when Omid and Kenny tried to lift Christa with a pole, but she drops which made loud sound attracting the zombies. This where Kenny jumps down and lifts Christa up.

So yeah I guess in this one Kenny sacrifices himself to pick up Christa. But this one it was more clear that the moment Kenny jumped down he was screwed.

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

Originally posted by Hyukai:

Ooh I see your point. Yeah I haven't been in those kinds of situations before, but now that I'm thinking it over it does seem really weird that Kenny would just lock himself up to die. (Wow I feel sort of dumb >_<) I was trying to see other points of views, but the scene was just bad.

In the other scene Kenny actually does saves Christa. It's past that Ben part and you come across that big hole in the roof. Kenny bumps into Lee making him drop the walkie talkie into the hole. There wasn't any zombies around so Christa jumps down to get it because she didn't want Lee taking chances of losing connection. So when Omid and Kenny tried to lift Christa with a pole, but she drops which made loud sound attracting the zombies. This where Kenny jumps down and lifts Christa up.

So yeah I guess in this one Kenny sacrifices himself to pick up Christa.

See in that scenario I could see him doing it; she is pregnant, has a borfriend/husband/whatever, and he could figure her life is more important than his, so he could risk it, but then he would hope (I assume) that he MIGHT be able to get away himself as well, but his first priority is to help her.
In the scenario I told you about where I was in a riot; I was in a situation where I helped my then girlfriend and another girl I didn't know, they were both in trouble and would have been badly hurt if nobody had helped. Afterwards I realised I could have been badly hurt myself if things had gone wrong, but I was in no immediate danger as I did it, this is the difference between doing something to help someone, and going against your instinct to live. I imagine if my life had been in danger I would have done the same thing as when I was being chased by the crackhead with the knife; I would have run screaming like a girl round and round until I saw a way out (apart from the screaming part that is pretty much what I did to survive that encounter, funny as it sounds)