People actually didn't like Kenny? (Spoilers)

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I am a big Kenny fan. One might even say a fanboy. But come on how could you not be? He sticks by your side through both of the games. I recently just finished watching episode 6 of Matt and Pat's playthrough and I found out apparentally alot more people hate Kenny then I thought. My question is HOW? And why the F*CK WOULD YOU NOT KILL LARRY!?!?!

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I'm pretty sure Lee becomes suspicouse upon breaking into the room in the barn, and finding Mark upstairs seals the deal. Disagreeing with Kenny on anything except the Larry situation will have barely any effect on Kenny's perspective whatso ever, as I said before, atleast up to that point in the game. You can disagree with kenny through the whole thing and then choose to help him with Larry, and he will be on your side forever. While you can agree with him on everything then disagree with him on Larry and he will be dickish, but then again since it was by far the biggest decision in the game up to that point he kinda has the right to be dickish. Also, according to the game atleast, at that point whoever you choose to help in the Larry situation, Kenny or Lilly, will basically mean your on their side for the rest of point up to episode 3. Your point on Kenny doing worse things then Larry for 2 seasons is invalid, due to fact that Larry is only their for 2 episodes while Kenny is their for 2 seasons. If you look at the things Larry has done, in-comparison to the things Kenny has done in that 2 episode period, Larry easily has been worste then Kenny.




Not really seeing your argument here. For that 2 episode period, what has Kenny done that can be possibly worse then Larry? Kenny not helping what'shisface at Hershel's barn: Kenny had to look out for his son and keep him safe over all else, and he even apolgizes and makes up for it later. Wouldn't you save your son over all else? Kenny even SAVES YOUR LIFE. While Larry, is a HUGE ♥♥♥♥ and tries to kill you. Frankly, I used the situation an excuse to kill the bastard. Again, you could havetold Clem and/or Lilly to look away if it bothered you that much. Also, Larry is a far bigger determent to the group, with his his constant anger, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and Health problems.

I don´r agree with you on this subject, and now you say that i coudt tell Lily to look away. WOUDT you accept that someone tells you to look away while they just gonna kill your dad. Like this ""Hey BIG CHEESE, Look away, i am gonna kill your dad."" The world don´t work like that. And about the Kenny subject, Its the whole freaking season 1 he almost dosent really care for you and not just the 2 first episodes. When you meet him he´s in the middle of like or dislike, after Larry dies he is the same, and when the family is lost he is (heartbroken like all woudt be, but still) just done careing for you. And at what point did he even show Clem the majorety of concern over temper and alpha-male ♥♥♥♥. :Clementine:

Well since Lilly DOESN'T stop you from killing Larry, what else am I gonna do if I was bent on killing him. I would atleast tell her to look away, since no one wants to SEE someone they love die. Doesn't really care for you? How many times have you've played through this game? Kenny's opinion on you depends on the choice you made with Larry. Kenny gos out of his way to be your best friend and sticks up for you if you choose to take his side. On the other hand, he chooses not to like you if you don't. Now, your missing one important fact here. The game makes it, so that who evers side you take in the Larry situation sets you on Lilliy's or Kenny's side. Which means, for that period of time between episodes 2 and 3 Lee is on that person's side, which means Lee is probabbly arguing with kenny alot more, but it's not shown. And there is proof of this from the reference Kenny makes of "speaking the ♥♥♥♥ up then." And what drugs are you on? Depending on your choices with Kenny, eathir way he is NOT the same. And of COURSE HE'S HEARTBROKEN ABOUT HIS FAMILY. He lost them both in like 10 minutes! And he does show Clem concern, though it IS more apparent in season 2.

[PilgrimDK]

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I don´r agree with you on this subject, and now you say that i coudt tell Lily to look away. WOUDT you accept that someone tells you to look away while they just gonna kill your dad. Like this ""Hey BIG CHEESE, Look away, i am gonna kill your dad."" The world don´t work like that. And about the Kenny subject, Its the whole freaking season 1 he almost dosent really care for you and not just the 2 first episodes. When you meet him he´s in the middle of like or dislike, after Larry dies he is the same, and when the family is lost he is (heartbroken like all woudt be, but still) just done careing for you. And at what point did he even show Clem the majorety of concern over temper and alpha-male ♥♥♥♥.

Well since Lilly DOESN'T stop you from killing Larry, what else am I gonna do if I was bent on killing him. I would atleast tell her to look away, since no one wants to SEE someone they love die. Doesn't really care for you? How many times have you've played through this game? Kenny's opinion on you depends on the choice you made with Larry. Kenny gos out of his way to be your best friend and sticks up for you if you choose to take his side. On the other hand, he chooses not to like you if you don't. Now, your missing one important fact here. The game makes it, so that who evers side you take in the Larry situation sets you on Lilliy's or Kenny's side. Which means, for that period of time between episodes 2 and 3 Lee is on that person's side, which means Lee is probabbly arguing with kenny alot more, but it's not shown. And there is proof of this from the reference Kenny makes of "speaking the ♥♥♥♥ up then." And what drugs are you on? Depending on your choices with Kenny, eathir way he is NOT the same. And of COURSE HE'S HEARTBROKEN ABOUT HIS FAMILY. He lost them both in like 10 minutes! And he does show Clem concern, though it IS more apparent in season 2.

I dident say any ♥♥♥♥ about he wasent heartbroken or that its wrong..
And Lily did try to stop it, but was held by Lee if you chose to kill him and Lee is much stronger than Lily

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I'm pretty sure Lee becomes suspicouse upon breaking into the room in the barn, and finding Mark upstairs seals the deal. Disagreeing with Kenny on anything except the Larry situation will have barely any effect on Kenny's perspective whatso ever, as I said before, atleast up to that point in the game. You can disagree with kenny through the whole thing and then choose to help him with Larry, and he will be on your side forever. While you can agree with him on everything then disagree with him on Larry and he will be dickish, but then again since it was by far the biggest decision in the game up to that point he kinda has the right to be dickish. Also, according to the game atleast, at that point whoever you choose to help in the Larry situation, Kenny or Lilly, will basically mean your on their side for the rest of point up to episode 3. Your point on Kenny doing worse things then Larry for 2 seasons is invalid, due to fact that Larry is only their for 2 episodes while Kenny is their for 2 seasons. If you look at the things Larry has done, in-comparison to the things Kenny has done in that 2 episode period, Larry easily has been worste then Kenny.




Not really seeing your argument here. For that 2 episode period, what has Kenny done that can be possibly worse then Larry? Kenny not helping what'shisface at Hershel's barn: Kenny had to look out for his son and keep him safe over all else, and he even apolgizes and makes up for it later. Wouldn't you save your son over all else? Kenny even SAVES YOUR LIFE. While Larry, is a HUGE ♥♥♥♥ and tries to kill you. Frankly, I used the situation an excuse to kill the bastard. Again, you could havetold Clem and/or Lilly to look away if it bothered you that much. Also, Larry is a far bigger determent to the group, with his his constant anger, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and Health problems.

Lee was already suspcious at that point due to the bandit attack on the farm, the scene at the campsite with Jolene and Danny's behaviour afterwards. That still wasn't the point putting Lee in danger and not helping was the point.

Larry's behvaviour isn't worse than Kenny's. Larry attempts to kill someone who is at the same time a convicted murderer. Kenny however actually does kill someone. He suggests that if Larry turns he could be a threat but doesn't even wait to see if he is actually going to die. He doesn't have the right to be dickish because the alternate choice is choosing to save someone's life which is unsurpsingly a better choice than choosing to kill someone without waiting to see how bad the situation actually is. Even then if you did choose to try to save Larry that doesn't excuse not helping Lee in the store or refusing to help find Clementine.

With Duck he was out danger once he was taken off the tractor. He could easily have put him down in a safe place and then attempted to help Shawn.

However regardless of any comparison with Larry. A lot of Kenny's actions throughout both seasons cause various issues.

So from your argument, because larry FAILED at killing you makes it better then Kenny? Uhhh no, that's stupid.

That last point however, I will somewhat agree with. However, all of Kenny's actions have atleast TRIED to be for the better of the group, whether they failed or not. However again, Kenny has shown that if you show him loyalty he will show you loyalty. Kenny wanting to kill Larry was just Kenny looking out for everyone's lives in the room, including Clem's. Your choice of saving a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, determent's life where there is a 50% chance he could be a walker or not rather then killing him where there is NO DOWNSIDE, IMO, is not better. Again, I'd rather be safe then sorry. And if he doesn't change? Well, we killed someone who didn't like 90% of the group and had health problems. Big loss (sarcasm).

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Lets see what Kenny did on season 1 O_O
Taken from my other thread here : http://steamcommunity.com/app/261030/discussions/0/34096318793991443/
(dont click on that link though if dont want to be spoiled for season 2. Thats also the reason why i only copypasted the season 1 part here so ppl who didnt play season 2 yet can read this)


Season 1:
Season 1 Episode 1: Kenny only saves his son duck and than runs off without assisting Lee to rescue Shawn.
Season 1 Episode 2: The case when they first meet Ben and his friend and the teacher. Kenny wants to abandon them.
Season 1 Episode 2: When Kenny arrives at the farm he proposes that they could take over the farm.
Season 1 Episdoe 2: Kenny and Lee realize that something suspisious is going on in the farm. Kenny encourages Lee to break into the door and than leaves Lee alone while Kenny wants to enjoy a warm nice meal (Kenny avoids the risk and lets Lee do the risking). Lee gets discoverd by Andy and has to smoothtalk his way out of this (here Lee got lucky that nothing serious happened from Kenny just leaving him).
Season 1 Episode 2: The meat locker case ( i think no explanation is needed here).
Season 1 Episode 2: When Danny caughts Lee sneaking and Lee has to fight him. Determinant how his realationship with Kenny is Lilly must rescue you or not (Kenny leaves Lee to die just because Lee disagreed with him).
Season 1 Episode 2: Kenny proposes to loot the abandoned car.
Season 1 Episode 3: When Lee and Kenny scavenge Macon for supplies. Kenny urges Lee not to kill the girl who is attacked by walkers so that they can use her screams of death for looting better.
Season 1 Episode 3: While Lee and Kenny are looting a door breaks and walkers attack lee. Depending how much Kenny likes you he will leave you to fend for yourself or not (again -.-).
Lee even confronts Kenny about that ... .
Season 1 Episode 3: Kenny calls Lee to abandon Lilly several times when the motor inn was attacked by bandits (at that time Lilly was still a normal grp member who didnt do a crazy thing so he just wanted to leave her to die because of a disagreement).
Season 1 Episode 3: Kenny doesnt want to believe ducks worsening condition and risks every1 by keeping him like that in the train.
Season 1 Episode 4: After the group arrived at the house and while in there. Kenny openly argues his wish to leave Omid behind to Christa (Omid wasnt even bitten -.- and was still clearly saveable).
Season 1 Episode 4: When first meeting Molly and things calmed down after Clementine intervened. Kenny still comes gun drawn and really hostile so that Molly has to subdue him in selfdefence which leads to a shot being fired which than draws walkers.
Season 1 Episode 4: After Ben reveals his screwup to Kenny he trys to kill him and Ben is only saved because the whole group intervened.
Season 1 Episode 4: Kenny trys to convince Lee to leave Ben to die in the Bell tower.
Season 1 Episode 4: When Clementine got kidnapped. Depending how his relationship is to Lee. Kenny wants to willingly abandon Clementine over a grudge that he holds over Lee.
Season 1 Episode 5: Kenny comparing Lees situation with the Larry situation.

I think from those situations alone u can see what a cold callous man Kenny is. His word is law and if some1 disagrees even slightly its death sentence in his eyes for him. If your wounded slightly and just in the grp but not his family he will try to abandon you( Omid for example).
If he doesnt like the guardian of the child that needs help(Here the Lee/Clementine case for example). He will abandon the child. If ppl disagree with him he likes to aggravate the situations and throw child tandtrums to get his way. He constantly headbutts with any1 causing grp fallouts.
He also loots the car no matter what so stealing is also on him (in Lees case its a determinant but Kenny cant be persuaded to leave it). Him mentioning to take over the farm before you even know that they are evil ppl also shows how ego centric Kenny is.

Alot of the points you bring up maybe be MORALLY bad to certain people but aren't, in reality, a set-back. Kenny, as said before, makes up for the death of Shaun by saving Lee. Taking the food from the car is one of the best things he HAS done. Wanting to kill Ben when he's responsible for the deaths of Carly/Doug, Lilly, Duck, and Katjaa? Uhh I think that's the opposite of a bad thing. Don't even bring up Molly, I don't know how anyone could like her as a character, little sister or not. Kenny wanting to leave the Motor inn after it was attacked by bandits? That's a pretty smart choice. So uhh, what was your argument again?

[MorningLightMountain]

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Lee was already suspcious at that point due to the bandit attack on the farm, the scene at the campsite with Jolene and Danny's behaviour afterwards. That still wasn't the point putting Lee in danger and not helping was the point.

Larry's behvaviour isn't worse than Kenny's. Larry attempts to kill someone who is at the same time a convicted murderer. Kenny however actually does kill someone. He suggests that if Larry turns he could be a threat but doesn't even wait to see if he is actually going to die. He doesn't have the right to be dickish because the alternate choice is choosing to save someone's life which is unsurpsingly a better choice than choosing to kill someone without waiting to see how bad the situation actually is. Even then if you did choose to try to save Larry that doesn't excuse not helping Lee in the store or refusing to help find Clementine.

With Duck he was out danger once he was taken off the tractor. He could easily have put him down in a safe place and then attempted to help Shawn.

However regardless of any comparison with Larry. A lot of Kenny's actions throughout both seasons cause various issues.

So from your argument, because larry FAILED at killing you makes it better then Kenny? Uhhh no, that's stupid.

That last point however, I will somewhat agree with. However, all of Kenny's actions have atleast TRIED to be for the better of the group, whether they failed or not. However again, Kenny has shown that if you show him loyalty he will show you loyalty. Kenny wanting to kill Larry was just Kenny looking out for everyone's lives in the room, including Clem's. Your choice of saving a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, determent's life where there is a 50% chance he could be a walker or not rather then killing him where there is NO DOWNSIDE, IMO, is not better. Again, I'd rather be safe then sorry. And if he doesn't change? Well, we killed someone who didn't like 90% of the group and had health problems. Big loss (sarcasm).

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Lets see what Kenny did on season 1 O_O
Taken from my other thread here : http://steamcommunity.com/app/261030/discussions/0/34096318793991443/
(dont click on that link though if dont want to be spoiled for season 2. Thats also the reason why i only copypasted the season 1 part here so ppl who didnt play season 2 yet can read this)


Season 1:
Season 1 Episode 1: Kenny only saves his son duck and than runs off without assisting Lee to rescue Shawn.
Season 1 Episode 2: The case when they first meet Ben and his friend and the teacher. Kenny wants to abandon them.
Season 1 Episode 2: When Kenny arrives at the farm he proposes that they could take over the farm.
Season 1 Episdoe 2: Kenny and Lee realize that something suspisious is going on in the farm. Kenny encourages Lee to break into the door and than leaves Lee alone while Kenny wants to enjoy a warm nice meal (Kenny avoids the risk and lets Lee do the risking). Lee gets discoverd by Andy and has to smoothtalk his way out of this (here Lee got lucky that nothing serious happened from Kenny just leaving him).
Season 1 Episode 2: The meat locker case ( i think no explanation is needed here).
Season 1 Episode 2: When Danny caughts Lee sneaking and Lee has to fight him. Determinant how his realationship with Kenny is Lilly must rescue you or not (Kenny leaves Lee to die just because Lee disagreed with him).
Season 1 Episode 2: Kenny proposes to loot the abandoned car.
Season 1 Episode 3: When Lee and Kenny scavenge Macon for supplies. Kenny urges Lee not to kill the girl who is attacked by walkers so that they can use her screams of death for looting better.
Season 1 Episode 3: While Lee and Kenny are looting a door breaks and walkers attack lee. Depending how much Kenny likes you he will leave you to fend for yourself or not (again -.-).
Lee even confronts Kenny about that ... .
Season 1 Episode 3: Kenny calls Lee to abandon Lilly several times when the motor inn was attacked by bandits (at that time Lilly was still a normal grp member who didnt do a crazy thing so he just wanted to leave her to die because of a disagreement).
Season 1 Episode 3: Kenny doesnt want to believe ducks worsening condition and risks every1 by keeping him like that in the train.
Season 1 Episode 4: After the group arrived at the house and while in there. Kenny openly argues his wish to leave Omid behind to Christa (Omid wasnt even bitten -.- and was still clearly saveable).
Season 1 Episode 4: When first meeting Molly and things calmed down after Clementine intervened. Kenny still comes gun drawn and really hostile so that Molly has to subdue him in selfdefence which leads to a shot being fired which than draws walkers.
Season 1 Episode 4: After Ben reveals his screwup to Kenny he trys to kill him and Ben is only saved because the whole group intervened.
Season 1 Episode 4: Kenny trys to convince Lee to leave Ben to die in the Bell tower.
Season 1 Episode 4: When Clementine got kidnapped. Depending how his relationship is to Lee. Kenny wants to willingly abandon Clementine over a grudge that he holds over Lee.
Season 1 Episode 5: Kenny comparing Lees situation with the Larry situation.

I think from those situations alone u can see what a cold callous man Kenny is. His word is law and if some1 disagrees even slightly its death sentence in his eyes for him. If your wounded slightly and just in the grp but not his family he will try to abandon you( Omid for example).
If he doesnt like the guardian of the child that needs help(Here the Lee/Clementine case for example). He will abandon the child. If ppl disagree with him he likes to aggravate the situations and throw child tandtrums to get his way. He constantly headbutts with any1 causing grp fallouts.
He also loots the car no matter what so stealing is also on him (in Lees case its a determinant but Kenny cant be persuaded to leave it). Him mentioning to take over the farm before you even know that they are evil ppl also shows how ego centric Kenny is.

Alot of the points you bring up maybe be MORALLY bad to certain people but aren't, in reality, a set-back. Kenny, as said before, makes up for the death of Shaun by saving Lee. Taking the food from the car is one of the best things he HAS done. Wanting to kill Ben when he's responsible for the deaths of Carly/Doug, Lilly, Duck, and Katjaa? Uhh I think that's the opposite of a bad thing. Don't even bring up Molly, I don't know how anyone could like her as a character, little sister or not. Kenny wanting to leave the Motor inn after it was attacked by bandits? That's a pretty smart choice. So uhh, what was your argument again?

If the purpose behind your topic is asking why might people dislike Kenny. You can't then discard references to another character just because you disllike them. So yes the situation with Molly is a valid example. Because that then means anyone can just state your statements regarding Kenny are invalid because I dislike him as a character.

Saving someone's life or at least trying to? That's actually always the better choice. Choosing to save someone's life even after they have tried to kill you and been consistently blunt and offensive to since then also shows how decent a person Lee can be despite his past.

Kenny is also responsible for the deaths of Duck, Katjaa and Carley/Doug as they all occur as a result of choosing to kill Larrry. Ben is also responsible but that doesn't making wanting to kill him a good thing.

I'm not stating Larry's behaviour is better because of failure. I'm stating Kenny's actions are not actually any better. However if you are also saying that you choose to kill Larry because of his actions that would actuallly be the same as what he does to Lee.

No, those points are just morallly bad. Leaving the Motor Inn after it is attacked is a good idea (Nyamos doesn't state it isn't either) telling Lee to abandon Lilly however isn't a decent choice.

[PilgrimDK]

if you look upon all episodes in Season 1 then the reason so many dislike Kenny, is that he has more negative sides than positive and its felt during your play. Then someone loves him and others hate him.
About Molly-caracter, what do you mean with ""Don't even bring up Molly, I don't know how anyone could like her as a character, little sister or not."" What the hell is wrong with her now?
Sorry but is sounds more an more like you only love Kenny in this game and the rest is nothing.

[Nyaamos]

I put out all those examples of the situations and how he acted in them to show what morales Kenny has. And it shows that he is not the warm hearted protective guy you believe him to be.
Every action he does in like every single episode he appeared shows him doing the opposite. Season 2 has even more bad and serious examples.

Seriously you put Ben as sole responsible for the death of Carly/Doug?
Ben didnt pull the trigger and its Lillys crazy madness that killed them and not Ben. Yes he may have been the trigger that led to Lillys ticking out but so is Kenny with him constantly agonizing her so that she cannot calm down ( you see him headbutt on all decisions with her everytime and the larry incident also didnt help).
Dont put all the blame on Ben. He is only partly responsible for that. The same blame should go on Kenny than and the main blame of course on Lilly.

Ben was the reason that the motor inn got attacked is what you think but it would have been attacked anyway in my opinion. He was doing those dealings so that they dont attack and you as lee taking the stuff caused the attack.
Yes it was a bad idea to not inform the grp of that so that the grp was not prepared when that happened. But you cannot solely blame the death of duck on him for just that. Why in particular for example wasnt Katjaa armed so that she could defend duck better? Ben only has a part blame in this and yeah he screwed up buts its not his fault alone.

Putting the sole blame for Katjaas death is also not right. I mean yes he may have indirectly triggered it BUT you must admit that it was also Katjaas weakness and will to live on that caused her death. Lots of ppl lost there loved ones and Katjaa was the one that instantly decided to kill herself because of it.
If every1 had decided like that. There would be no survivors around anymore ...

Why cant i bring up Molly? What exactly did she do to you to deserve your hate? I think my example with her showed something clear from Kenny too and its fitting.

I never said that it was a bad choice to leave the motor inn when it was attacked. Telling Lee to abandon Lilly though several times IS a not a decent thing to do.

That said its nice how you just cherry picked some of the situations and interpreted them falsely and omitted the other situations that i put as examples completely.

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So from your argument, because larry FAILED at killing you makes it better then Kenny? Uhhh no, that's stupid.

That last point however, I will somewhat agree with. However, all of Kenny's actions have atleast TRIED to be for the better of the group, whether they failed or not. However again, Kenny has shown that if you show him loyalty he will show you loyalty. Kenny wanting to kill Larry was just Kenny looking out for everyone's lives in the room, including Clem's. Your choice of saving a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, determent's life where there is a 50% chance he could be a walker or not rather then killing him where there is NO DOWNSIDE, IMO, is not better. Again, I'd rather be safe then sorry. And if he doesn't change? Well, we killed someone who didn't like 90% of the group and had health problems. Big loss (sarcasm).






Alot of the points you bring up maybe be MORALLY bad to certain people but aren't, in reality, a set-back. Kenny, as said before, makes up for the death of Shaun by saving Lee. Taking the food from the car is one of the best things he HAS done. Wanting to kill Ben when he's responsible for the deaths of Carly/Doug, Lilly, Duck, and Katjaa? Uhh I think that's the opposite of a bad thing. Don't even bring up Molly, I don't know how anyone could like her as a character, little sister or not. Kenny wanting to leave the Motor inn after it was attacked by bandits? That's a pretty smart choice. So uhh, what was your argument again?

If the purpose behind your topic is asking why might people dislike Kenny. You can't then discard references to another character just because you disllike them. So yes the situation with Molly is a valid example. Because that then means anyone can just state your statements regarding Kenny are invalid because I dislike him as a character.

Saving someone's life or at least trying to? That's actually always the better choice. Choosing to save someone's life even after they have tried to kill you and been consistently blunt and offensive to since then also shows how decent a person Lee can be despite his past.

Kenny is also responsible for the deaths of Duck, Katjaa and Carley/Doug as they all occur as a result of choosing to kill Larrry. Ben is also responsible but that doesn't making wanting to kill him a good thing.

I'm not stating Larry's behaviour is better because of failure. I'm stating Kenny's actions are not actually any better. However if you are also saying that you choose to kill Larry because of his actions that would actuallly be the same as what he does to Lee.

No, those points are just morallly bad. Leaving the Motor Inn after it is attacked is a good idea (Nyamos doesn't state it isn't either) telling Lee to abandon Lilly however isn't a decent choice.

Perhaps, but it's just the way I think. Saving someone who has treated you like ♥♥♥♥, trys to kill you, is a determent to the group, and may become a zombie in the next 30 seconds just doesn't seem logical. Atleast not to me.

Don't know where you pulled your 2nd point from. How could Larry's death affect Ben giving supplies to the bandits, which caused the bandits to attack the motor inn, causing Duck to get bit and Lilly to go even crazier?

Stating to kill Larry because of his actions towards Lee is only 1/3rd of my reason. I decided to kill Larry also for being a determent to the group due to his health problems and his hate for everyone in the group except Lilly, and of course the fact that he may become a walker.

Sorry, I just find Molly to be a crappy character, she doesn't really belong in the walking dead universe. If you want to argue to me about this, I already explained this in a other thread I made about Molly.

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if you look upon all episodes in Season 1 then the reason so many dislike Kenny, is that he has more negative sides than positive and its felt during your play. Then someone loves him and others hate him.
About Molly-caracter, what do you mean with ""Don't even bring up Molly, I don't know how anyone could like her as a character, little sister or not."" What the hell is wrong with her now?
Sorry but is sounds more an more like you only love Kenny in this game and the rest is nothing.

His negative sides and positive sides also depend on YOUR actions you know. I already explained this a good 3-5 times before but whatever.

Molly was one of my, if not the, least favorite character for reasons I explained in an earlier thread I made.

I don't know why it sounds like that to you. I haven't bashed on any characters except Larry, who litteraly EVERYONE hates and Molly. Besides them I liked most of the characters.

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I put out all those examples of the situations and how he acted in them to show what morales Kenny has. And it shows that he is not the warm hearted protective guy you believe him to be.
Every action he does in like every single episode he appeared shows him doing the opposite. Season 2 has even more bad and serious examples.

Seriously you put Ben as sole responsible for the death of Carly/Doug?
Ben didnt pull the trigger and who Lillys crazy madness that killed them. Yes he may have been the trigger that led to Lillys ticking out but so is Kenny with him constantly agonizing her so that she cannot calm down ( you see him headbutt on all decisions with her everytime and the larry incident also didnt help).
Dont put all the blame on Ben. He is only partly responsible for that. The same blame should go on Kenny than and the main blame of course on Lilly.

Ben was the reason that the motor inn got attacked is what you think but it would have been attacked anyway in my opinion. He was doing those dealings so that they dont attack and you as lee taking the stuff caused the attack.
Yes it was a bad idea to not inform the grp of that so that the grp was not prepared when that happened but cannot solely blame the death of duck on him for just that. Why in particular for example wasnt Katjaa armed so that she could defend duck better? Ben only has a part blame in this and yeah he screwed up buts its not his fault alone.

Putting the sole blame for Katjaas death is also not right. I mean yes he may have indirectly triggered it BUT you must admit that it was also Katjaas weakness and will to live on that caused her death. Lots of ppl lost there loved ones and Katjaa was the one that instantly decided to kill herself because of it.
If every1 had decided like that. There would be no survivors around anymore ...

Why cant i bring up Molly? What exactly did she do to you to deserve your hate? I think my example with her showed something clear from Kenny too and its fitting.

I never said that it was a bad choice to leave the motor inn when it was attacked. Telling Lee to abandon Lilly though several times IS a not a decent thing to do.

I never said I thought Kenny was a warm-hearted teddy bear. I said he was Loyal if you show him loyalty, and a good friend.

If your gonna throw Kenny in their, you better throw everyone else to. Lilly even says that everyone is making her go nuts, her trying to be the leader and all. And Kenny may be somewhat to blame, with their clashes in all, but don't you dare say Kenny is more to blame then Ben or Lilly. Ben caused the whole situation and Lilly killed Carley, which is a character I actually liked alot. Oh yeah, and Doug. It's not Ben's fault alone your right, but it's a good 90% his fault all that ♥♥♥♥ went down.

You need to pay a little more attention. Katjaa was NOT armed since she complained about not liking firearms. Yes, Ben is to blame since he contacted the bandits first in order to make the deal, which eventually lead to the bandits and zombies attacking, causing Duck to get bit. Simple.

I was a little out of line with Molly there. I hate her as a character. But that's my own personal gripe.

Telling Lee to leave the Motor inn so he could SURVIVE is not a decent thing to do? Just think about that before you reply.

No need for that last statement. I'm suppose to right a 5 page essay responding to ALL of your "examples." Haha, no. I focus on what matters, while your nitpicking every little detail.

[PilgrimDK]

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If the purpose behind your topic is asking why might people dislike Kenny. You can't then discard references to another character just because you disllike them. So yes the situation with Molly is a valid example. Because that then means anyone can just state your statements regarding Kenny are invalid because I dislike him as a character.

Saving someone's life or at least trying to? That's actually always the better choice. Choosing to save someone's life even after they have tried to kill you and been consistently blunt and offensive to since then also shows how decent a person Lee can be despite his past.

Kenny is also responsible for the deaths of Duck, Katjaa and Carley/Doug as they all occur as a result of choosing to kill Larrry. Ben is also responsible but that doesn't making wanting to kill him a good thing.

I'm not stating Larry's behaviour is better because of failure. I'm stating Kenny's actions are not actually any better. However if you are also saying that you choose to kill Larry because of his actions that would actuallly be the same as what he does to Lee.

No, those points are just morallly bad. Leaving the Motor Inn after it is attacked is a good idea (Nyamos doesn't state it isn't either) telling Lee to abandon Lilly however isn't a decent choice.

Perhaps, but it's just the way I think. Saving someone who has treated you like ♥♥♥♥, trys to kill you, is a determent to the group, and may become a zombie in the next 30 seconds just doesn't seem logical. Atleast not to me.

Don't know where you pulled your 2nd point from. How could Larry's death affect Ben giving supplies to the bandits, which caused the bandits to attack the motor inn, causing Duck to get bit and Lilly to go even crazier?

Stating to kill Larry because of his actions towards Lee is only 1/3rd of my reason. I decided to kill Larry also for being a determent to the group due to his health problems and his hate for everyone in the group except Lilly, and of course the fact that he may become a walker.

Sorry, I just find Molly to be a crappy character, she doesn't really belong in the walking dead universe. If you want to argue to me about this, I already explained this in a other thread I made about Molly.

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if you look upon all episodes in Season 1 then the reason so many dislike Kenny, is that he has more negative sides than positive and its felt during your play. Then someone loves him and others hate him.
About Molly-caracter, what do you mean with ""Don't even bring up Molly, I don't know how anyone could like her as a character, little sister or not."" What the hell is wrong with her now?
Sorry but is sounds more an more like you only love Kenny in this game and the rest is nothing.

His negative sides and positive sides also depend on YOUR actions you know. I already explained this a good 3-5 times before but whatever.

Molly was one of my, if not the, least favorite character for reasons I explained in an earlier thread I made.

I don't know why it sounds like that to you. I haven't bashed on any characters except Larry, who litteraly EVERYONE hates and Molly. Besides them I liked most of the characters.

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I put out all those examples of the situations and how he acted in them to show what morales Kenny has. And it shows that he is not the warm hearted protective guy you believe him to be.
Every action he does in like every single episode he appeared shows him doing the opposite. Season 2 has even more bad and serious examples.

Seriously you put Ben as sole responsible for the death of Carly/Doug?
Ben didnt pull the trigger and who Lillys crazy madness that killed them. Yes he may have been the trigger that led to Lillys ticking out but so is Kenny with him constantly agonizing her so that she cannot calm down ( you see him headbutt on all decisions with her everytime and the larry incident also didnt help).
Dont put all the blame on Ben. He is only partly responsible for that. The same blame should go on Kenny than and the main blame of course on Lilly.

Ben was the reason that the motor inn got attacked is what you think but it would have been attacked anyway in my opinion. He was doing those dealings so that they dont attack and you as lee taking the stuff caused the attack.
Yes it was a bad idea to not inform the grp of that so that the grp was not prepared when that happened but cannot solely blame the death of duck on him for just that. Why in particular for example wasnt Katjaa armed so that she could defend duck better? Ben only has a part blame in this and yeah he screwed up buts its not his fault alone.

Putting the sole blame for Katjaas death is also not right. I mean yes he may have indirectly triggered it BUT you must admit that it was also Katjaas weakness and will to live on that caused her death. Lots of ppl lost there loved ones and Katjaa was the one that instantly decided to kill herself because of it.
If every1 had decided like that. There would be no survivors around anymore ...

Why cant i bring up Molly? What exactly did she do to you to deserve your hate? I think my example with her showed something clear from Kenny too and its fitting.

I never said that it was a bad choice to leave the motor inn when it was attacked. Telling Lee to abandon Lilly though several times IS a not a decent thing to do.

I never said I thought Kenny was a warm-hearted teddy bear. I said he was Loyal if you show him loyalty, and a good friend.

If your gonna throw Kenny in their, you better throw everyone else to. Lilly even says that everyone is making her go nuts, her trying to be the leader and all. And Kenny may be somewhat to blame, with their clashes in all, but don't you dare say Kenny is more to blame then Ben or Lilly. Ben caused the whole situation and Lilly killed Carley, which is a character I actually liked alot. Oh yeah, and Doug. It's not Ben's fault alone your right, but it's a good 90% his fault all that ♥♥♥♥ went down.

You need to pay a little more attention. Katjaa was NOT armed since she complained about not liking firearms. Yes, Ben is to blame since he contacted the bandits first in order to make the deal, which eventually lead to the bandits and zombies attacking, causing Duck to get bit. Simple.

I was a little out of line with Molly there. I hate her as a character. But that's my own personal gripe.

Telling Lee to leave the Motor inn so he could SURVIVE is not a decent thing to do? Just think about that before you reply.

No need for that last statement. I'm suppose to right a 5 page essay responding to ALL of your "examples." Haha, no. I focus on what matters, while your nitpicking every little detail.

Well its how each players story forms, that give us each a version of how things are and shoudt be, so in a way we are all right and thats the good with this game that it kinda forms around your personallity in the choices. All i wanted in this thread was to give my beliefs in why the majorety of the gamers dislike Kenny or make distance with him. c",)
In the end all that counts is the survival of the badass

[F'Tagn]

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Perhaps, but it's just the way I think. Saving someone who has treated you like ♥♥♥♥, trys to kill you, is a determent to the group, and may become a zombie in the next 30 seconds just doesn't seem logical. Atleast not to me.

Don't know where you pulled your 2nd point from. How could Larry's death affect Ben giving supplies to the bandits, which caused the bandits to attack the motor inn, causing Duck to get bit and Lilly to go even crazier?

Stating to kill Larry because of his actions towards Lee is only 1/3rd of my reason. I decided to kill Larry also for being a determent to the group due to his health problems and his hate for everyone in the group except Lilly, and of course the fact that he may become a walker.

Sorry, I just find Molly to be a crappy character, she doesn't really belong in the walking dead universe. If you want to argue to me about this, I already explained this in a other thread I made about Molly.



His negative sides and positive sides also depend on YOUR actions you know. I already explained this a good 3-5 times before but whatever.

Molly was one of my, if not the, least favorite character for reasons I explained in an earlier thread I made.

I don't know why it sounds like that to you. I haven't bashed on any characters except Larry, who litteraly EVERYONE hates and Molly. Besides them I liked most of the characters.



I never said I thought Kenny was a warm-hearted teddy bear. I said he was Loyal if you show him loyalty, and a good friend.

If your gonna throw Kenny in their, you better throw everyone else to. Lilly even says that everyone is making her go nuts, her trying to be the leader and all. And Kenny may be somewhat to blame, with their clashes in all, but don't you dare say Kenny is more to blame then Ben or Lilly. Ben caused the whole situation and Lilly killed Carley, which is a character I actually liked alot. Oh yeah, and Doug. It's not Ben's fault alone your right, but it's a good 90% his fault all that ♥♥♥♥ went down.

You need to pay a little more attention. Katjaa was NOT armed since she complained about not liking firearms. Yes, Ben is to blame since he contacted the bandits first in order to make the deal, which eventually lead to the bandits and zombies attacking, causing Duck to get bit. Simple.

I was a little out of line with Molly there. I hate her as a character. But that's my own personal gripe.

Telling Lee to leave the Motor inn so he could SURVIVE is not a decent thing to do? Just think about that before you reply.

No need for that last statement. I'm suppose to right a 5 page essay responding to ALL of your "examples." Haha, no. I focus on what matters, while your nitpicking every little detail.

Well its how each players story forms, that give us each a version of how things are and shoudt be, so in a way we are all right and thats the good with this game that it kinda forms around your personallity in the choices. All i wanted in this thread was to give my beliefs in why the majorety of the gamers dislike Kenny or make distance with him. c",)
In the end all that counts is the survival of :Clementine: the badass

Truest thing you've said brother. Though, I don't know if the Majority of people hate Kenny. I've personally seen alot more gamers who have sided with kenny, but who knows. But, yes, Clem comes first above ALL.

[PilgrimDK]

It was related to TOPIC where creator wrights that more pepole than he thought hated Kenny. Only that reason i wrote it c",)

[MorningLightMountain]

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If the purpose behind your topic is asking why might people dislike Kenny. You can't then discard references to another character just because you disllike them. So yes the situation with Molly is a valid example. Because that then means anyone can just state your statements regarding Kenny are invalid because I dislike him as a character.

Saving someone's life or at least trying to? That's actually always the better choice. Choosing to save someone's life even after they have tried to kill you and been consistently blunt and offensive to since then also shows how decent a person Lee can be despite his past.

Kenny is also responsible for the deaths of Duck, Katjaa and Carley/Doug as they all occur as a result of choosing to kill Larrry. Ben is also responsible but that doesn't making wanting to kill him a good thing.

I'm not stating Larry's behaviour is better because of failure. I'm stating Kenny's actions are not actually any better. However if you are also saying that you choose to kill Larry because of his actions that would actuallly be the same as what he does to Lee.

No, those points are just morallly bad. Leaving the Motor Inn after it is attacked is a good idea (Nyamos doesn't state it isn't either) telling Lee to abandon Lilly however isn't a decent choice.

Perhaps, but it's just the way I think. Saving someone who has treated you like ♥♥♥♥, trys to kill you, is a determent to the group, and may become a zombie in the next 30 seconds just doesn't seem logical. Atleast not to me.

Don't know where you pulled your 2nd point from. How could Larry's death affect Ben giving supplies to the bandits, which caused the bandits to attack the motor inn, causing Duck to get bit and Lilly to go even crazier?

Stating to kill Larry because of his actions towards Lee is only 1/3rd of my reason. I decided to kill Larry also for being a determent to the group due to his health problems and his hate for everyone in the group except Lilly, and of course the fact that he may become a walker.

Sorry, I just find Molly to be a crappy character, she doesn't really belong in the walking dead universe. If you want to argue to me about this, I already explained this in a other thread I made about Molly.

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if you look upon all episodes in Season 1 then the reason so many dislike Kenny, is that he has more negative sides than positive and its felt during your play. Then someone loves him and others hate him.
About Molly-caracter, what do you mean with ""Don't even bring up Molly, I don't know how anyone could like her as a character, little sister or not."" What the hell is wrong with her now?
Sorry but is sounds more an more like you only love Kenny in this game and the rest is nothing.

His negative sides and positive sides also depend on YOUR actions you know. I already explained this a good 3-5 times before but whatever.

Molly was one of my, if not the, least favorite character for reasons I explained in an earlier thread I made.

I don't know why it sounds like that to you. I haven't bashed on any characters except Larry, who litteraly EVERYONE hates and Molly. Besides them I liked most of the characters.

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I put out all those examples of the situations and how he acted in them to show what morales Kenny has. And it shows that he is not the warm hearted protective guy you believe him to be.
Every action he does in like every single episode he appeared shows him doing the opposite. Season 2 has even more bad and serious examples.

Seriously you put Ben as sole responsible for the death of Carly/Doug?
Ben didnt pull the trigger and who Lillys crazy madness that killed them. Yes he may have been the trigger that led to Lillys ticking out but so is Kenny with him constantly agonizing her so that she cannot calm down ( you see him headbutt on all decisions with her everytime and the larry incident also didnt help).
Dont put all the blame on Ben. He is only partly responsible for that. The same blame should go on Kenny than and the main blame of course on Lilly.

Ben was the reason that the motor inn got attacked is what you think but it would have been attacked anyway in my opinion. He was doing those dealings so that they dont attack and you as lee taking the stuff caused the attack.
Yes it was a bad idea to not inform the grp of that so that the grp was not prepared when that happened but cannot solely blame the death of duck on him for just that. Why in particular for example wasnt Katjaa armed so that she could defend duck better? Ben only has a part blame in this and yeah he screwed up buts its not his fault alone.

Putting the sole blame for Katjaas death is also not right. I mean yes he may have indirectly triggered it BUT you must admit that it was also Katjaas weakness and will to live on that caused her death. Lots of ppl lost there loved ones and Katjaa was the one that instantly decided to kill herself because of it.
If every1 had decided like that. There would be no survivors around anymore ...

Why cant i bring up Molly? What exactly did she do to you to deserve your hate? I think my example with her showed something clear from Kenny too and its fitting.

I never said that it was a bad choice to leave the motor inn when it was attacked. Telling Lee to abandon Lilly though several times IS a not a decent thing to do.

I never said I thought Kenny was a warm-hearted teddy bear. I said he was Loyal if you show him loyalty, and a good friend.

If your gonna throw Kenny in their, you better throw everyone else to. Lilly even says that everyone is making her go nuts, her trying to be the leader and all. And Kenny may be somewhat to blame, with their clashes in all, but don't you dare say Kenny is more to blame then Ben or Lilly. Ben caused the whole situation and Lilly killed Carley, which is a character I actually liked alot. Oh yeah, and Doug. It's not Ben's fault alone your right, but it's a good 90% his fault all that ♥♥♥♥ went down.

You need to pay a little more attention. Katjaa was NOT armed since she complained about not liking firearms. Yes, Ben is to blame since he contacted the bandits first in order to make the deal, which eventually lead to the bandits and zombies attacking, causing Duck to get bit. Simple.

I was a little out of line with Molly there. I hate her as a character. But that's my own personal gripe.

Telling Lee to leave the Motor inn so he could SURVIVE is not a decent thing to do? Just think about that before you reply.

No need for that last statement. I'm suppose to right a 5 page essay responding to ALL of your "examples." Haha, no. I focus on what matters, while your nitpicking every little detail.

It doesn't have to be a logical choice to choose to save him. But Kenny's choice to kill him isn't entirely a logical choice either. As it's a rash spur of the moment decision.

Because Larry's death sends Lilly into a state of depression. The person who was clearly shown to be in charge of the group's supplies as episode three shows she appears to be withdrawn and noticing what is happening until it is too late. Ben has his share of responsibility for those deaths. But Lilly's paranoia and depression were due to watching her father get brutallly killed in front of her. Which would also make Kenny and potentially Lee have some of responsibility for those deaths as well.

Larry's shown to be blunt and abrasive but isn't shown to hate everyone else in the group.

If by previous thread you mean one where you stated you wanted an option to kill her. Then no you don't offer any specific reason for it. I don't think Molly is a character who doesn't fit in the Walking Dead universe.

The problem is with Kenny's loyalty he requires complete and utter unwavering fealty, which isn't the actions of a reasonable person.. His actions whether he sides against you is based on your choices as a player. But that choice is based on whether or not you refuse to help him kill someone.

Yeah, telling Lee to escape the motor inn isn't a bad thing. But that wasn't the point. Telling him to abandon Lilly which is not a good action was the point.

[woskis9161]

He was a pretty good guy, I think. Bit family-centered, but what happened to Katjaa and Duck was terrible. I am starting to question if letting him kill his own son was the right thing to do, though.

[Nyaamos]

I like how you again omit and seem to purposely misunderstand things again.

I NEVER said that Kenny has more blame in Carlys/Dougs case than Ben. I said that if u want to blame Ben for those deaths. You also have to blame Kenny on it and MAINLY LILLY. Of course the rest of the grp also has a minor blame.
I never said that Ben has no major blame in this. I only said that Kenny also has a major blame on this considering that he IS the major reason of Lillys state of mind. And her state of mind is the major reason she ticks out like that. Telling us that u believe that he is 90 percent responsible for it is just impossible... . I mean what percentage would have Lilly than? Lilly is clearly the winner here in most responsible for Carlys/Dougs case considering that she ticked out. In my opinion its kinda maybe 25 percents Bens fault, 15 percents Kennys, 58 percent Lillys and roughly 2 percent maybe the rest of the grp.

It doesnt matter if she complained about it. If he would be protective about his family he would insisted on her being able to protect herself.
You have to consider Katjaa as a living person and thats it. You are either living or your dead. If you are alive than you also need to take precautions to stay alive. Ben is also only partly to blame for the attack because like i already said they would have attacked anyway and without Ben they would have done so earlier. We know this because the Bandits already attacked them and than suddenly stopped for no apparent reason (its mentioned). We later know that this reason IS Bens dealings with them. So its clear that they would have attacked anyway. Ben only has the blame here for not informing the grp about the attack.
You cannot say for sure that nothing would have ever happened to Duck if it werent for Ben. Considering they would have still attacked (just earlier and you would have been better prepared but that still doesnt make Duck 100 percent safe than cause you are never 100 percent safe in a zombie apocalypse in such an unsafe place in a middle of a firefight).

Even if you hate Molly for no reason it still doesnt dismiss that situation example.

Of course leaving the motor inn when its attacked is a good idea. I NEVER said anything against that. I ONLY SAID that telling Lee multiple times to leave a grp member just like that is not a decent thing to do.

All my examples show what Kenny is from a morale perspective and what he does when in situations.Those examples are also in response to the Op cause it questions why some ppl dont like Kenny. Even if some points can be argued about to just be morally wrong and not be wrong in itself. It still doesnt invalidate all other examples and also still doesnt invalidate the examples that you nit picked.

Lets look at some of the situations i gave as examples and look at it from the perspective if Kenny only leaves ppl that deserve it. Here we can clearly see that he leaves any1 he doesnt want out of his own convenience. Doesnt matter if its a child (for example Clementine). Doesnt member if its a grp member (Shawn/Lee/Omid for example). Doesnt matter that its some1 that he just met (Teacher/woman in macon when you are scavenging for example). He leaves them if he cannot profit from them anymore or if they somehow disagreed with him its death sentence in his eyes.

Season 1 Episode 1: Kenny only saves his son duck and than runs off without assisting Lee to rescue Shawn.

Did Shawn really deserved being abandoned and not tried to rescued after he rescued his son?

Season 1 Episode 2: The case when they first meet Ben and his friend and the teacher. Kenny wants to abandon them.

What did the teacher do to Kenny to deserve being abandoned?

Season 1 Episode 2: The meat locker case ( i think no explanation is needed here).

Season 1 Episode 2: When Danny caughts Lee sneaking and Lee has to fight him. Determinant how his realationship with Kenny is Lilly must rescue you or not (he leaves Lee to die just because Lee disagreed with him).

Did Lee really deserved to die here ? I dont think so.

Season 1 Episode 3: When Lee and Kenny scavenge Macon for supplies. Kenny urges Lee not to kill the girl who is attacked by walkers so that they can use her screams of death for looting better.

What did the woman do to kenny to deserve being cruelly eaten alive by zombies?

Season 1 Episode 3: While Lee and Kenny are looting a door breaks and walkers attack lee. Depending how much Kenny likes you he will leave you to fend for yourself or not (again -.-).

So it seems Lee deserved to die again -.-.

Season 1 Episode 3: Kenny calls Lee to abandon Lilly several times when the motor inn was attacked by bandits.

What did Lilly do to deserve being abandoned here? (she did not shot any1 yet)

Season 1 Episode 4: Kenny wishes to abandon Omid.

What did Omid do to Kenny to deserve being abandoned?

Season 1 Episode 4: When Clementine got kidnapped. Depending how his relationship is to Lee. Kenny wants to willingly abandon Clementine over a grudge that he holds over Lee.

What did Clementine do to Kenny here to deserve being abandoned by Kenny?

I extra didnt picked out the example of Ben because you would probably than solely just nit pick on that example btw and omit everythingelse.

[F'Tagn]

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Perhaps, but it's just the way I think. Saving someone who has treated you like ♥♥♥♥, trys to kill you, is a determent to the group, and may become a zombie in the next 30 seconds just doesn't seem logical. Atleast not to me.

Don't know where you pulled your 2nd point from. How could Larry's death affect Ben giving supplies to the bandits, which caused the bandits to attack the motor inn, causing Duck to get bit and Lilly to go even crazier?

Stating to kill Larry because of his actions towards Lee is only 1/3rd of my reason. I decided to kill Larry also for being a determent to the group due to his health problems and his hate for everyone in the group except Lilly, and of course the fact that he may become a walker.

Sorry, I just find Molly to be a crappy character, she doesn't really belong in the walking dead universe. If you want to argue to me about this, I already explained this in a other thread I made about Molly.



His negative sides and positive sides also depend on YOUR actions you know. I already explained this a good 3-5 times before but whatever.

Molly was one of my, if not the, least favorite character for reasons I explained in an earlier thread I made.

I don't know why it sounds like that to you. I haven't bashed on any characters except Larry, who litteraly EVERYONE hates and Molly. Besides them I liked most of the characters.



I never said I thought Kenny was a warm-hearted teddy bear. I said he was Loyal if you show him loyalty, and a good friend.

If your gonna throw Kenny in their, you better throw everyone else to. Lilly even says that everyone is making her go nuts, her trying to be the leader and all. And Kenny may be somewhat to blame, with their clashes in all, but don't you dare say Kenny is more to blame then Ben or Lilly. Ben caused the whole situation and Lilly killed Carley, which is a character I actually liked alot. Oh yeah, and Doug. It's not Ben's fault alone your right, but it's a good 90% his fault all that ♥♥♥♥ went down.

You need to pay a little more attention. Katjaa was NOT armed since she complained about not liking firearms. Yes, Ben is to blame since he contacted the bandits first in order to make the deal, which eventually lead to the bandits and zombies attacking, causing Duck to get bit. Simple.

I was a little out of line with Molly there. I hate her as a character. But that's my own personal gripe.

Telling Lee to leave the Motor inn so he could SURVIVE is not a decent thing to do? Just think about that before you reply.

No need for that last statement. I'm suppose to right a 5 page essay responding to ALL of your "examples." Haha, no. I focus on what matters, while your nitpicking every little detail.

It doesn't have to be a logical choice to choose to save him. But Kenny's choice to kill him isn't entirely a logical choice either. As it's a rash spur of the moment decision.

Because Larry's death sends Lilly into a state of depression. The person who was clearly shown to be in charge of the group's supplies as episode three shows she appears to be withdrawn and noticing what is happening until it is too late. Ben has his share of responsibility for those deaths. But Lilly's paranoia and depression were due to watching her father get brutallly killed in front of her. Which would also make Kenny and potentially Lee have some of responsibility for those deaths as well.

Larry's shown to be blunt and abrasive but isn't shown to hate everyone else in the group.

If by previous thread you mean one where you stated you wanted an option to kill her. Then no you don't offer any specific reason for it. I don't think Molly is a character who doesn't fit in the Walking Dead universe.

The problem is with Kenny's loyalty he requires complete and utter unwavering fealty, which isn't the actions of a reasonable person.. His actions whether he sides against you is based on your choices as a player. But that choice is based on whether or not you refuse to help him kill someone.

Yeah, telling Lee to escape the motor inn isn't a bad thing. But that wasn't the point. Telling him to abandon Lilly which is not a good action was the point.

Spur of the moment huh? You do know that the transformation of walker does not take a large amount of time right? They had to act fast.

Lilly was suffering more from the extremely hard task of trying to be leader. She even says this herself in episode 3. She was gonna fall apart, eathir way, due to the bandit attack and everything. Please, stop trying to pin every situation that happens in the game on Kenny.

Umm, has Larry been nice or even cared for anyone else in the group except himself and Lilly? Even Clementine? Nope.

I looked back at that old thread and the reason why I didn't like her WAS brought up, so please work on your reading skills. I will repeat though. I don't think a "cool, ninja, badass, chick" fits in with the Walking Dead universe. Also, I find her cockiness annoying. Very annoying. The girl they had in Season 2 who was kinda like her (Forget her name) was FAR better.

Unwavering fealty? Give me an example besides the Larry situation, where there is a long-lasting effect on Lee and Kenny's relationship if they disagree. Also, constantly disagreeing with someone isn't gonna make them your friend, So, I don't know why you were surprised with kenny being dickish with you if you didn't take his side in the Larry situation.

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I like how you again omit and seem to purposely misunderstand things again.

I NEVER said that Kenny has more blame in Carlys/Dougs case than Ben. I said that if u want to blame Ben for those deaths. You also have to blame Kenny on it and MAINLY LILLY. Of course the rest of the grp also has a minor blame.
I never said that Ben has no major blame in this. I only said that Kenny also has a major blame on this considering that he IS the major reason of Lillys state of mind. And her state of mind is the major reason she ticks out like that. Telling us that u believe that he is 90 percent responsible for it is just impossible... . I mean what percentage would have Lilly than? Lilly is clearly the winner here in most responsible for Carlys/Dougs case considering that she ticked out. In my opinion its kinda maybe 25 percents Bens fault, 15 percents Kennys, 58 percent Lillys and roughly 2 percent maybe the rest of the grp.

It doesnt matter if she complained about it. If he would be protective about his family he would insisted on her being able to protect herself.
You have to consider Katjaa as a living person and thats it. You are either living or your dead. If you are alive than you also need to take precautions to stay alive. Ben is also only partly to blame for the attack because like i already said they would have attacked anyway and without Ben they would have done so earlier. We know this because the Bandits already attacked them and than suddenly stopped for no apparent reason (its mentioned). We later know that this reason IS Bens dealings with them. So its clear that they would have attacked anyway. Ben only has the blame here for not informing the grp about the attack.
You cannot say for sure that nothing would have ever happened to Duck if it werent for Ben. Considering they would have still attacked (just earlier and you would have been better prepared but that still doesnt make Duck 100 percent safe than cause you are never 100 percent safe in a zombie apocalypse in such an unsafe place in a middle of a firefight).

Even if you hate Molly for no reason it still doesnt dismiss that situation example.

Of course leaving the motor inn when its attacked is a good idea. I NEVER said anything against that. I ONLY SAID that telling Lee multiple times to leave a grp member just like that is not a decent thing to do.

All my examples show what Kenny is from a morale perspective and what he does when in situations.Those examples are also in response to the Op cause it questions why some ppl dont like Kenny. Even if some points can be argued about to just be morally wrong and not be wrong in itself. It still doesnt invalidate all other examples and also still doesnt invalidate the examples that you nit picked.

Lets look at some of the situations i gave as examples and look at it from the perspective if Kenny only leaves ppl that deserve it. Here we can clearly see that he leaves any1 he doesnt want out of his own convenience. Doesnt matter if its a child (for example Clementine). Doesnt member if its a grp member (Shawn/Lee/Omid for example). Doesnt matter that its some1 that he just met (Teacher/woman in macon when you are scavenging for example). He leaves them if he cannot profit from them anymore or if they somehow disagreed with him its death sentence in his eyes.

Season 1 Episode 1: Kenny only saves his son duck and than runs off without assisting Lee to rescue Shawn.

Did Shawn really deserved being abandoned and not tried to rescued after he rescued his son?

Season 1 Episode 2: The case when they first meet Ben and his friend and the teacher. Kenny wants to abandon them.

What did the teacher do to Kenny to deserve being abandoned?

Season 1 Episode 2: The meat locker case ( i think no explanation is needed here).

Season 1 Episode 2: When Danny caughts Lee sneaking and Lee has to fight him. Determinant how his realationship with Kenny is Lilly must rescue you or not (he leaves Lee to die just because Lee disagreed with him).

Did Lee really deserved to die here ? I dont think so.

Season 1 Episode 3: When Lee and Kenny scavenge Macon for supplies. Kenny urges Lee not to kill the girl who is attacked by walkers so that they can use her screams of death for looting better.

What did the woman do to kenny to deserve being cruelly eaten alive by zombies?

Season 1 Episode 3: While Lee and Kenny are looting a door breaks and walkers attack lee. Depending how much Kenny likes you he will leave you to fend for yourself or not (again -.-).

So it seems Lee deserved to die again -.-.

Season 1 Episode 3: Kenny calls Lee to abandon Lilly several times when the motor inn was attacked by bandits.

What did Lilly do to deserve being abandoned here? (she did not shot any1 yet)

Season 1 Episode 4: Kenny wishes to abandon Omid.

What did Omid do to Kenny to deserve being abandoned?

Season 1 Episode 4: When Clementine got kidnapped. Depending how his relationship is to Lee. Kenny wants to willingly abandon Clementine over a grudge that he holds over Lee.

What did Clementine do to Kenny here to deserve being abandoned by Kenny?

I extra didnt picked out the example of Ben because you would probably than solely just nit pick on that example btw and omit everythingelse.

Oh boy, here we go.

Your major blame on Kenny is invalid because it's false. Lilly was losing it from the hardship of being leader and the fact that someone was stealing supplies, she even admits to it. Sure, Larry's death doesn't help, but it is not major.

I was using 90% just to prove a point, not to be taken literally. If I actually had to choose it would probabbly be 50% Ben, 30% Lilly, 10% Kenny (and Lee based off of your choice), and 10% everybody else.

Your next point about Katjaa is also invalid. You sound like you should be complaining to her instead of me. However, my point still stands. Katjaa was not carrying a firearm because of her hatred for them.

Your next point is true but also contradicts your own statement. Duck WOULD be more prepared in your situation, meaning a higher chance of living, if Ben didn't ♥♥♥♥ everything up.

Hate Molly for no reason? I'm taking that statement as if EVERYONE likes Molly. Which, is false. I've explained my reason earlier. Reading. It's quite helpful if you use it.

Kenny was looking out for Lee's safety by telling him to leave crazy old Lilly. That seems like a friendly thing to do to me. I'd appreciate it if one my friends told me to leave our crazy leader for our own safety.

Alright then, You don't want to argue about Kenny being good logically, Even though it's far more prodcutive then "morales" fine. Let's argue morally.

Why would kenny risk his own life saving some other random guy. If he dies there, who would protect Katjaa and Duck? Kenny looking after his family, Morally good.

Kenny doesn't know anything about these people. They could be dangerouse, infected, who knows. Kenny looking after the group. Morally good.

Way to argue one of the biggest points. (sarcasm). I already argued why this is the smart choice, but let's do this morally. Kenny wants to kill a ♥♥♥♥ because he might turn into a zombie. Kenny looking after EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, INCLUDING CLEMENTINE. MORALLY FRICKEN GOOD.

Lee did not support Kenny, making Kenny not like him, causing Kenny to think he's a determent to the group. Why would he want to help him?

Not only the smart choice, but also morally correct. By killing her, it gives kenny and lee more time to get stuff for the group. Kenny looking out for Lee and the Group. Morally good.

Already explained.

What did Lilly do?! Are you paying attention? She's losing it and the motor inn isn't safe! Kenny looking out for lee, REGARDLESS OF CHOICES YOU'VE MADE. MORALLY GOOD.

Omid's leg was broken, causing him to be a determent to the group. Kenny looking out for the group. Morally good.

Kenny is not in a good state, due to the boat being stolen. Also, Lee has been his enemy for the entire game, depending on your choices. His justification for not wanting to help Clementine is deserved and makes sense.

Don't even get me started on nitpicking, you hypocrite. You just nitpicked the ♥♥♥♥ outta Kenny. I also like how you're trying to insult me with actions I ddin't even perform. I've been playing the discussion game for awhile my friend. Don't be a ♥♥♥♥ just because your points aren't working.

Anyway, as I've shown here Kenny is not only logically good, but morally good. Now go aead, argue your same points and expect different results. That's insanity you know.

[Nyaamos]

About the Ben triggered Lilly case. I cant really argue about who is more at blame here than the other because of course every1 has their own opinions on that case. And i also respect your opinion on how you personally weight each blame part.
I just wanted to make sure to say that Ben is not alone to blame for that.

About the Katjaa part. Yes i am not complaining about you. I am just saying that it Katjaa is hugely at fault too. If she had taken precautions like later Lee does with Clementine.
Than the duck case probably would not have happened. Here you can say the over sheltering from Kenny to Katjaa and duck partly leads to them being to weak to defend themselves. Lee himself is also in that point of time making the same mistake to not teach Clementine about survival. Lee later sees that point though after Chuck pointed that out and than prepares Clementine. That said. Clementine was already more helpfull than Katjaa and duck together even before getting taught some survival rules (seeing as how she saved you the first time you meet her and after that helps you when your in the pharmacy for example.)
That theme about to weak to survive because of false sheltering also comes up in season 2 later with another parent guardian pair too btw.
About the point where you agreed with duck. Yes it is true he would have a higher probability to survive if Ben hadnt srewed up and had warned the grp. That still doesnt make Ben being the sole guy you can Blame for duck getting bit. He has a huge blame but you solely put the fault on him. Thats all i wanted to say about that case.

So it was morally rightious of Kenny to leave Shawn the son of the guy who was currently sheltering Kennys family die without even trying to save him?

So its morally right to leave shoolboys and a teacher alone to die just because you dont know them? There was clearly enough time to try the rescue atleast.

So in your opinion Lee deserved death for disagreeing with Kenny? And he is morally right about that? Wow just wow to that is all i can say if that truely your opinion.
That disagreeing with Kenny is grounds for death penalty on Lee just wow really. I mean really now. Lee didnt do anything that deserved him being seen as a minus to the grp ... .

It might have been the smart survival to use that girl as screaming zombie bait yes i can agree with that. Saying it was the morally correct one is wrong though. Letting some1 cruelly be eaten up by zombies just so u can loot better isnt really a morally good choice.
Its only the choice for smart survival ( which i personally have to say i agreed with Kenny on that choice but that still doesnt make it morally right).

At that point in time with Lilly its still not enough grounds for a death penalty. I mean she was right that some1 was stealing. So that accusation didnt come out of no where. She of course was emotionally battered by Kenny saltlicking her dad. You cant just wipe that away like its nothing. It clearly affected her.
She still didnt do anything that would warrant death penalty by abandment.

Wow just wow about your interpretation on the Omid case. Abandoning a person of your grp
just because he got injured is good for you?
Seriously? For you thats how you look after your grp by abandoning any1 that gets injured?Wow seriously just wow if u really think that is a morally good thing to do.

That still doesnt explain why he left Clementine. WHAT DID CLEMENTINE PERSONALLY DO TO KENNY? WHY DID SHE DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY FROM HIM?
Just because you dont like the guardian of a child doesnt mean you can judge his innocent child the death penalty over the grudge of the guardian. Calling it deserved or even morally right is so wrong its not even funny anymore.

Don't even get me started on nitpicking, you hypocrite. I also like how you're trying to insult me with actions I ddin't even perform.I've been playing the discussion game for awhile my friend. Don't be a ♥♥♥♥ just because your points aren't working.

And lol at your last 3 sentences. So funny and warped.Now go ahead, argue your same points and expect different results. That's insanity you know.

Edit: This is probably my last post in this thread because its pointless to further argue this. I will not change my view and your view also will not be changed anyway. So have fun with your thread :).