SPOILER - ABOUT BEN

[Konran]

Most of the players pulled Ben back? Really? That boy is♥♥♥♥♥♥♥stupid, he doesn't do anything useful to anyone, has a childlike behavior (much more than Clementine!!) and even betrayed the group. If Carley didn't have such a sharp tongue, maybe Lilly would shoot him instead.

[Wladimir]

Originalmente postado por Deadsea_1993:

Originalmente postado por The Harwood Butcher:

Man, he must be around 16-19, he IS still a kid.

1. Nothing to say, yea.

2. You know why he hid the supplies for the bandits, right? He did it, because they said they had his friend and that they would attack the motel, if he hadn't given them the supplies. He was just trying to help his friend + the group.

3. After that stupid mindset you could blame everyone for everything. For example, you could blame Lilly/Lee for looking after the stolen supplies, because if Lee hadn't picked up the hidden supplies, the bandits wouldn't have attacked or you could blame Lee for letting Clem gone missing, because he didn't look out for her. And you could also blame Clem for Lees, Kennys (and Bens) death.
It was the bandits fault that Duck got bitten and its Katjaas fault that she killed herself, plain and simple.

4. Again, that's the stupid mindset I was talking about. You could also blame Kenny (and Lee) for Carleys/Dougs death, because he/they probably made Lilly insane by killing her father.
Lilly murdered Carley/Doug, so it's her fault. Simple as that.

5.Yea, he really was a coward at that moment. But what can you expect, he's a scared little kid.
And again, that's that stupid mindset. You could blame Lee for not looking after Clem, if he did, she would already be save, that means there's no reason for Chuck so save Clem, that means he wouldn't die. It was Chucks decision to step up and save Clem.

6. Ok, I might give you that one. But seriously, who gives a ♥♥♥♥ about Bree? xD

Almost everyone was pissin' at Ben for ''getting everyone killed'' just because Telltale made it look like that. I even think that that was their intention: to see how the players can get manipulated with making wrong things look true.
Well, there's not much more to say..

It's not a stupid mindset, it's called in depth thinking because I love film and I love writing. Ben is either 18 or 19 and so he's not a kid and even if her were 17, the apocalypse has been going on for awhile and everyone should help each other in a group or leave.

Yes he believed that his friend was kidnapped and thus he should have told the group about what they told him. He screwed up by not doing this because the group could have talked some sense into him and this might have caused the group to pack up and leave because now the Bandits have already made first contact.

What this caused was a chain reaction, all of it was based around Ben. I never really cared about Bree, I told Vernon that he was lucky to have her around because she was very cautious. It still was messed up how she died and it was because Ben was so stupid. This might have caused Vernon to take the boat because oddly, the rest of the group opposed this idea and we know this because of the Shel arc in 400 Days.

Again, the outbreak has been going on for awhile and thus people should pull their weight or step out of the way. You couldn't have someone like Ben around if you were in Lee's shoes, mainly because of Clem. I wanted to ditch Ben since the Rv.

I feel that people are looking at it the wrong way and that these same people also loved Season 2.

I let Ben get pulled down because he had caused too much damage by that point. He wasn't coming with us on the Boat and so this was a mercy killing to protect other groups and to also spare him a slow death. I'm not a monster, nor did I want to do this, I did this to protect people.

Man, you basically ignore all my valid arguments and keep thinking that it was all Ben's fault, come on..

[PiNocPie]

At least, Ben helped Lee from the walkers in the clocktower.
He is a good boy but full of fear in his mind.

[Vladislak]

Ben was a good kid who made some stupid mistakes. That's all. I don't blame him or hate him for them, and I chose to pull him up since I try to save whoever I can.

Most of the problems he caused were unintentional, and some of them were even done because he was trying to help like with the bandits and the hatchet at Crawford (both were stupid decisions, but his heart was in the right place).

That doesn't make him blameless but it speaks to his character. The only time I was genuinely angry with him was when he abandoned Clem. Even then it wasn't like it was premeditated, he just panicked and did something really stupid.

And yeah even 19 is still a kid, especially in a survival situation.

[Vile]

Originalmente postado por A Christian Man:

Originalmente postado por Deadsea_1993:

It's not a stupid mindset, it's called in depth thinking because I love film and I love writing. Ben is either 18 or 19 and so he's not a kid and even if her were 17, the apocalypse has been going on for awhile and everyone should help each other in a group or leave.

Yes he believed that his friend was kidnapped and thus he should have told the group about what they told him. He screwed up by not doing this because the group could have talked some sense into him and this might have caused the group to pack up and leave because now the Bandits have already made first contact.

What this caused was a chain reaction, all of it was based around Ben. I never really cared about Bree, I told Vernon that he was lucky to have her around because she was very cautious. It still was messed up how she died and it was because Ben was so stupid. This might have caused Vernon to take the boat because oddly, the rest of the group opposed this idea and we know this because of the Shel arc in 400 Days.

Again, the outbreak has been going on for awhile and thus people should pull their weight or step out of the way. You couldn't have someone like Ben around if you were in Lee's shoes, mainly because of Clem. I wanted to ditch Ben since the Rv.

I feel that people are looking at it the wrong way and that these same people also loved Season 2.

I let Ben get pulled down because he had caused too much damage by that point. He wasn't coming with us on the Boat and so this was a mercy killing to protect other groups and to also spare him a slow death. I'm not a monster, nor did I want to do this, I did this to protect people.

Man, you basically ignore all my valid arguments and keep thinking that it was all Ben's fault, come on..

No I didn't ignore anything that you said, I addressed it. You ask, why didn't Lee save Clem on the streets of Georgia ? I have played through this game more times than probably anyone else. If you remember, Kenny is still getting over the dramatic situation and not thinking clearly. He goes Rick mode and goes shooting walkers in their faces, yet one walker grabs his leg and trips him. Kenny is fighting off the walker and Lee helps him by shooting the walker. That's when Clem screams and Lee notices that she's surrounded. He tells Ben to get her out of there and he runs away and that's when Lee races towards her and Chuck saves her at the last minute.

Again, in this kind of situation, accidents can get people killed. As I've stated before, I don't find Ben evil or anything like that. I find him a coward and an idiot and those cannot mesh in the Walking Dead.

"A 19 year old is a kid". No it is not. Look at Carl from the comic and show. Look at Clem that is 8 and she is shooting walkers and then the same thing happens when she's 11. At 14 (Which I say is 17) she's basically a killing machine. In Walking Dead, age doesn't matter.

[MorningLightMountain]

Originalmente postado por Deadsea_1993:

"A 19 year old is a kid". No it is not. Look at Carl from the comic and show. Look at Clem that is 8 and she is shooting walkers and then the same thing happens when she's 11. At 14 (Which I say is 17) she's basically a killing machine. In Walking Dead, age doesn't matter.

Actually it does as the other factor would be the emotional maturity to deal with things, which Ben lacks. Age only becomes an irrelevant factor when the person shows they are capable beyond what their age would suggest.