Kyle :

[Mynxe]

While Kyle is fun..

Who doesn't like acting like a bumper car and smashing into everything.

But, he is almost un-usable

He only builds his resource if he smashes into something.

And the Few times I have managed to use the Super Conductivity Thruster : SCT move, the mobs are all dead before I can land and be the awesome bullet of death.

In VSO's there is never enough time to build enough resource up to where you can use his fun move (SCT).

In Special Operations, you have to charge in to so many mobs, that it is almost a death sentence, but you have your trusty shield ... which is disabled along with all of your abilities by some mob you happened to get close to.. you get to rush forward and then stand in the middle of a horde trying to grapple to safety...

Infiltration's seems to give a little opportunity to rocket yourself onto your enemy, but the speed if his charge is no match for other descendants abilities or even fast guns and you find yourself hitting air.

For the most part , I end up just giving up on his fun abilities and leveling some weapon that I just added a socket to. At which point , it could be any of the Descendants pulling the trigger..

Something needs to be done to make him more feasible...

As is, I can only see him being slightly useful if he is solo...

I'm not sure what he needs but , he needs something...

It makes, me sad about how much fun he could be , but isn't.

[Xenomorph - Drone]

If you want to be useful - Rabbit, Lepic, Gley.
Anything else is just niche\for fun\useless.
ATM ofc.

[ImOnYourSide]

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

If you want to be useful - Rabbit, Lepic, Gley.
Anything else is just niche\for fun\useless.
ATM ofc.

I can't speak for Kyle but plenty of other great toons to play. Enzo and Viessa are a couple to add to your list. Sharen serves her purpose and allegedly has OP builds but not my style.

[Xenomorph - Drone]

Originally posted by ImOnYourSide:

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

If you want to be useful - Rabbit, Lepic, Gley.
Anything else is just niche\for fun\useless.
ATM ofc.

I can't speak for Kyle but plenty of other great toons to play. Enzo and Viessa are a couple to add to your list. Sharen serves her purpose and allegedly has OP builds but not my style.

They are still unnecessary if you have Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
You don't need Sharen if you doing dungeon - colossi.
You don't need Enzo coz... You can open those with anyone?
You don't need Viessa neither for mobbing or bosses, coz again... Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
This is the reality of this game now, until they will do some balancing.
End of story.

[ImOnYourSide]

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

Originally posted by ImOnYourSide:

I can't speak for Kyle but plenty of other great toons to play. Enzo and Viessa are a couple to add to your list. Sharen serves her purpose and allegedly has OP builds but not my style.

They are still unnecessary if you have Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
You don't need Sharen if you doing dungeon - colossi.
You don't need Enzo coz... You can open those with anyone?
You don't need Viessa neither for mobbing or bosses, coz again... Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
This is the reality of this game now, until they will do some balancing.
End of story.

Variety is the spice of life, and I'm very excited to have multiple builds on the same character. This kept me playing Division 1 and 2 even after I had done everything so many times.

Btw Enzo>Gley on Collossus

[Xenomorph - Drone]

Originally posted by ImOnYourSide:

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

They are still unnecessary if you have Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
You don't need Sharen if you doing dungeon - colossi.
You don't need Enzo coz... You can open those with anyone?
You don't need Viessa neither for mobbing or bosses, coz again... Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
This is the reality of this game now, until they will do some balancing.
End of story.

Variety is the spice of life, and I'm very excited to have multiple builds on the same character. This kept me playing Division 1 and 2 even after I had done everything so many times.

Btw Enzo>Gley on Collossus

"Variety is the spice of life," - this please. But unfortunately without proper balance no one care to play anything else.
The proof is in the game, try to q on any activity and you will find this 3 guys on every mission\dungeon\colossi\open map.
I hope they will bring some variety on choosing a character... But concerns are concerns...

[ImOnYourSide]

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

Originally posted by ImOnYourSide:

Variety is the spice of life, and I'm very excited to have multiple builds on the same character. This kept me playing Division 1 and 2 even after I had done everything so many times.

Btw Enzo>Gley on Collossus

"Variety is the spice of life," - this please. But unfortunately without proper balance no one care to play anything else.
The proof is in the game, try to q on any activity and you will find this 3 guys on every mission\dungeon\colossi\open map.
I hope they will bring some variety on choosing a character... But concerns are concerns...

I hear ya but I still play the other toons occasionally. Yes I mainly play bunny, but I won't apologize she's fun lolz. I'm all for other characters getting bumped up, especially in the fun category ;)

[Mynxe]

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

If you want to be useful - Rabbit, Lepic, Gley.
Anything else is just niche\for fun\useless.
ATM ofc.

Yea, I have those but it would be nice if the aim was to make all characters viable in some way.. Enzo really just used for one thing but he's good at it, Sharen, Bunny Valby prob the ones I use the most.. but Kyle and Blair and Freyna I'd love to to see them be topping the charts of most played.. I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play Kyle..

[Mynxe]

Originally posted by ImOnYourSide:

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

"Variety is the spice of life," - this please. But unfortunately without proper balance no one care to play anything else.
The proof is in the game, try to q on any activity and you will find this 3 guys on every mission\dungeon\colossi\open map.
I hope they will bring some variety on choosing a character... But concerns are concerns...

I hear ya but I still play the other toons occasionally. Yes I mainly play bunny, but I won't apologize she's fun lolz. I'm all for other characters getting bumped up, especially in the fun category ;)

I think Kyle could fun.. but he needs a hand with all of his abilities to be better or faster

[Medicles]

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

They are still unnecessary if you have Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
You don't need Sharen if you doing dungeon - colossi.
You don't need Enzo coz... You can open those with anyone?
You don't need Viessa neither for mobbing or bosses, coz again... Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
This is the reality of this game now, until they will do some balancing.
End of story.

I can easily use Valby for mobbing and outdamage Bunny and Lepic as Viessa in dungeons. As far as i know, Sharen is the only one that can do specific stuff because of stealth and there is often times exclusive rewards tied to it.

[ImOnYourSide]

Originally posted by Mynxe:

Originally posted by ImOnYourSide:

I hear ya but I still play the other toons occasionally. Yes I mainly play bunny, but I won't apologize she's fun lolz. I'm all for other characters getting bumped up, especially in the fun category ;)

I think Kyle could fun.. but he needs a hand with all of his abilities to be better or faster

I haven't played him yet but that sounds good to me.

[Xenomorph - Drone]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

They are still unnecessary if you have Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
You don't need Sharen if you doing dungeon - colossi.
You don't need Enzo coz... You can open those with anyone?
You don't need Viessa neither for mobbing or bosses, coz again... Gley\Lepic and rabbit.
This is the reality of this game now, until they will do some balancing.
End of story.

I can easily use Valby for mobbing and outdamage Bunny and Lepic as Viessa in dungeons. As far as i know, Sharen is the only one that can do specific stuff because of stealth and there is often times exclusive rewards tied to it.

*Bro why are these people bringing valby, please stop, play the game a little more, and have in your group a fully modded rabbit at least once...*

[tattledomo123]

The current game simply does not support a play style like Kyle's: guns USUALLY do vastly more damage than abilities if the character is not a pure dps/the abilities in question have a hefty cast time through being literally long or stop you from shooting or the ability simply does not do enough damage to warrant use, and all farming is done through speed and mass clear, not damage (excluding Void Reactors and Void Intercepts). Everything you have stated above are things players do daily and prefer to be done as fast as possible, requiring mass mob kills. Since there is not enough enemies that spawn that make Bunny's and Valby's lives harder (actually dangerous elites/enemy auras), there is no reason not to run them. But for Special Operations specifically, like neutralize void experiment, the enemies that make their lives harder, Kyle actually thrives in if you know how. No one likes when the wave is "oops all ability disable and hp up on enemies that naturally have a bigger health pool." Simply find the ability disable and instantly kill them with your 4th along with everyone else near them, where a Bunny/Valby would have to run into it, have all their mobility turn off, with no way to mass CC once the enemies catch up to them, now having eight trillion bullets coming at them and depending on the faction, auto tracking shots, instantly dying. But that is just one good thing, he is worse than everyone at everything else.

Until you reach Frost Walker, since multiple Colossi simply do not deal enough damage/dot based, the only way to charge up your Magnetic Force is with Repulsion Dash, which makes you stop shooting for the end lag of connecting/travelling. If you are constantly spamming it you only get to shoot for a grand total of 2 seconds until you use it again because of the internal cool down, but even then absorbing damage with Magnetic Bulwark both drains your shield per second if you hold it out for more than a second and has a time of pulling out and deploying, plus getting it destroyed, and I have absolutely no clue why Magnetism Spurt is both a channeled and duration based ability. Kyle already has to fight the damage he's taking and can effectively only generate 7.5% Magnetic Force a second with a drain of 2% and getting shot at. You have to put yourself in danger to generate more than 7.5 a second, and your in danger just by using your 4th which would not be a problem if Magnetic Bulwark did not drain your shield, and if it did enough damage to warrant not being able to shoot for most of the time.

So it is not that Kyle is worse than every other descendant in the whole game, he just is a terrible character to play if you want to maximize his abilities and gun play. He is technically good at what he does, but it is not on par with everyone else considering the sacrifices needed to use gun and character equally. He basically has no QoL, like if Bunny could not shoot while Speed of Light was on.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

Originally posted by Medicles:

I can easily use Valby for mobbing and outdamage Bunny and Lepic as Viessa in dungeons. As far as i know, Sharen is the only one that can do specific stuff because of stealth and there is often times exclusive rewards tied to it.

*Bro why are these people bringing valby, please stop, play the game a little more, and have in your group a fully modded rabbit at least once...*

It really doesnt matter who one-shots the mobs, does it? Bunny isnt even fast, every other character can keep up with Bunny skill speed just by rolling.

[Big_E']

you can get kyles defense shield / aoe burst to like a 2-3 second cooldown. I stand in the center of every mob pack and never die. Got about 8k shield on him.

[Graf Vigah]

would be great if he dont just fly past enemys with his q and get more energy if he hits multiple enemys at the same time