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i cant get above 200% skill range
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309785028

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309784981

in the first screenshot of character stats it says MAX 2x for skill range
yet in the module settings it says 300% max expandable range
i cant reach the 300% because the character stats max out at 200%

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309791532
lepic's 1st skill goes from 5 to 15 meters adding 200% on the original range
says 200% max expandable range

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309792777
lepic's 3rd skill goes from 9 to 27 meters adding 200% on the original range
says 300% max expandable range
Last edited by MedicinalPsycho; Aug 15, 2024 @ 1:08pm
Originally posted by Grimzy:
Originally posted by MedicinalPsycho:
Originally posted by Grimzy:

it works like this:
Unless specifically stated on the skill itself, default max expandable range is 200%
but it is stated on the skill
one says 200% the other 300% both only get 200% added on the original value

Its multiplicative not additive. If Skill says ABC% exnapdable range, you can expand it ABC multiplied by the default skill range.
So in your example: expandalbe is 300%, default is 7m, so your max range is 3x7 = 21m

If it would say 200%, then its 2x7m = 14m

However, You can equip enough mods to increase the range by more than what the skill allows, and it will show on the tooltip, but the actual real effective range will still be capped.

Like your example above you posted:
Skill range: 5m
Max expandable:200%
It shows range as 15m (which is in fact 300%) on the tooltip but when you use the skill it will not be over the 200% stated on the skill as allowed expansion.
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Jokoff Schön Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:54am 
See the range it is from 7 to 21
that is 7 times 3 = 21
MedicinalPsycho Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:55am 
ah.... for some reason i thought it means i can add 300% range on the skill
Last edited by MedicinalPsycho; Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:56am
MedicinalPsycho Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:57am 
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309791532

here it added the 200% on the original skill range effectivly giving me 300% range

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309792777
here it says 300% and only gives me +200% on the original range
Last edited by MedicinalPsycho; Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:59am
Jokoff Schön Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:58am 
Originally posted by MedicinalPsycho:
ah.... for some reason i thought it means i can add 300% range on the skill

no, its true there is something odd about max range, cause on valby it says max 200% but that is works like you expect.

but bunny range always confuses me when i compare.
Jokoff Schön Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:59am 
what are you actual range upgrade (skill effect range) (in the module screen)
Last edited by Jokoff Schön; Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:59am
MedicinalPsycho Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:01pm 
skill expansion 92.3%, maximum range 94.4%
and a reactor with 0.245x effective skill range

if i add frugal mindset with 7.7% effective skill range it doesnt increase range
Last edited by MedicinalPsycho; Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:02pm
Powerhorder Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:02pm 
Characters have a max range they can increase for skills etc really you just need the skill range and maximize skill range for range upgrades past that not worth
Last edited by Powerhorder; Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:02pm
MedicinalPsycho Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by Powerhorder:
Characters have a max range they can increase for skills etc really you just need the skill range and maximize skill range for range upgrades past that not worth
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309792777
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3309791532
my main point of confussion is that one of these skills says
200% max expandable range,
and the other says 300% max expandable range,
yet they both only get 200% max expandable range
Last edited by MedicinalPsycho; Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:06pm
Jokoff Schön Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:10pm 
yeah that is the same confusing i am gettin at.

it seems like there is some bugged tooltips (people on red dit also agree to this)
Last edited by Jokoff Schön; Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:15pm
Powerhorder Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:11pm 
most likely a translation error if anything else i assume anyways
MedicinalPsycho Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:16pm 
Originally posted by Powerhorder:
most likely a translation error if anything else i assume anyways
its more than just a translation error, the whole range system seems to be abit wonky
Mipasa Aug 15, 2024 @ 12:57pm 
Lightning emission is 300% -21 m, other skill max 200% as i see it ingame when using B.
MedicinalPsycho Aug 15, 2024 @ 1:06pm 
Originally posted by Mipasa:
Lightning emission is 300% -21 m, other skill max 200% as i see it ingame when using B.
if you look at my screen shots in the reply's youll see that on lepic his 1st skill goes from 5 to 15 meters thats 200% added on the original value
and his 3rd skill goes from 9 to 27 meters also getting 200% added on the original value
his first skill says 200% max expandable range
his third skill says 300% max expandable range
Last edited by MedicinalPsycho; Aug 15, 2024 @ 1:09pm
Grimzy Aug 15, 2024 @ 1:08pm 
Originally posted by MedicinalPsycho:
Originally posted by Powerhorder:
most likely a translation error if anything else i assume anyways
its more than just a translation error, the whole range system seems to be abit wonky

it works like this:
Unless specifically stated on the skill itself, default max expandable range is 200%
MedicinalPsycho Aug 15, 2024 @ 1:10pm 
Originally posted by Grimzy:
Originally posted by MedicinalPsycho:
its more than just a translation error, the whole range system seems to be abit wonky

it works like this:
Unless specifically stated on the skill itself, default max expandable range is 200%
but it is stated on the skill
one says 200% the other 300% both only get 200% added on the original value
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Date Posted: Aug 15, 2024 @ 11:51am
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