Drop rates are not "bugged" or "fake"

[floody]

Many people complaining that the 20% drop chances are fake etc. This is not the case.
What is happening that many people also get these items very easily or first try but you dont see them come here and open topics about it.
People only post about negative things affecting them.
So while you are "unlucky" on average with certain items, many others are the opposite.
Its just not visible on these forums.

[Ninja-Intern]

Publicado originalmente por Kalieko:

Wrong. After 161 of the same mission with not a single trancesndant mod drop its safe to say drops are rigged and the players claiming to have gotten drops are simply lying. Been farming for 3 days, none of the drop numbers add.

My bad. Maybe I got one yours. 4 of them dropped yesterday with two of them at the same time from hard Executioner.

[Alaskan bigfoot]

Well if nexon didnt steal from their own players then people wouldnt have a reason to be so distrusting, in truth it doesent matter if its really 20% because its common knowledge that the company is ran by thieves.
Really theres no reason to defend this because nexon does not care about you or your money, games playercount has already halved and many arent going to stick around like me because of the repetitive game mechanics so having a RNG based character unlock system that locks most people out of replay value was never going to be a good idea even without the reputation nexon has built for themselves.

[Paschendale]

Publicado originalmente por Alaskan bigfoot:

Well if nexon didnt steal from their own players then people wouldnt have a reason to be so distrusting, in truth it doesent matter if its really 20% because its common knowledge that the company is ran by thieves.
Really theres no reason to defend this because nexon does not care about you or your money, games playercount has already halved and many arent going to stick around like me because of the repetitive game mechanics so having a RNG based character unlock system that locks most people out of replay value was never going to be a good idea even without the reputation nexon has built for themselves.

only time will tell

[Skurcey]

They think, they know everything, but they just defend a blatent lie

[Tourak]

I have awful luck, been farming Gley catalyst for 3 days, opened 50 ama. Got 3 activator and 2 hp collector in that time....but still waiting on that catalyst. Luck just can be a pain in the ass sometime.

[Nebiros]

well my 2 farmed ultimate descendants are fine and the next one is half finished

[StupendousScorpio66]

I have a theory...

[Nebiros]

Publicado originalmente por StupendousScorpio66:

I have a theory...

ok cool, keep it to yourself

[Paschendale]

Publicado originalmente por Nebiros:

Publicado originalmente por StupendousScorpio66:

I have a theory...

ok cool, keep it to yourself

Been playing games for the last 30 years and mmo rng type games for 20+ years, i feel nothing is off. But i do like to poke at the tin foil hat people. Without any solid proof they have nothing but conspiracy.

[Nebiros]

Publicado originalmente por Paschendale:

Publicado originalmente por Nebiros:

ok cool, keep it to yourself

Been playing games for the last 30 years and mmo rng type games for 20+ years, i feel nothing is off. But i do like to poke at the tin foil hat people. Without any solid proof they have nothing but conspiracy.

yeah im good too, some drops are taking longer than others but sometimes rng blesses you and sometimes rng just hates you

[Phares]

If you want to check if the devs care about their players, get everyone to push for Bad Luck Protection.
There should be a roughly average amount of time they expect players to grind for stuff.
A 20% drop rate should on average take 5 runs, but probability being what it is, it could take 1000 runs.
If it's true what they say, and the drop rates are averaging out to be their correct amounts, then that means across the playerbase it averages 5 runs to get a 20% item.

If they capped the grind to guarantee an item after 2x the average, so 10 runs for a 20% item, it means the average is still 5 runs, but now you aren't getting players running the same mission 40+ times and not getting the item.

They would lose nothing, and guarantee the drop rates are what they say they are without us having to trust their word.

[Paschendale]

Publicado originalmente por Phares:

If you want to check if the devs care about their players, get everyone to push for Bad Luck Protection.
There should be a roughly average amount of time they expect players to grind for stuff.
A 20% drop rate should on average take 5 runs, but probability being what it is, it could take 1000 runs.
If it's true what they say, and the drop rates are averaging out to be their correct amounts, then that means across the playerbase it averages 5 runs to get a 20% item.

If they capped the grind to guarantee an item after 2x the average, so 10 runs for a 20% item, it means the average is still 5 runs, but now you aren't getting players running the same mission 40+ times and not getting the item.

They would lose nothing, and guarantee the drop rates are what they say they are without us having to trust their word.

the 20% chance is not accumulative, its per attempt. This new generation and it feeling entitled smh

[Ronin Gamer]

The problem is people who don't take five seconds to actually understand something get told "This should drop in ten runs" and when luck in the rng doesn't go their way, like it tends to with me a lot of the time sadly, they get upset because for some strange reason they can't put together that each run is unique from the others. They aren't linked.
The reason people say "in x amount of runs" is giving you an AVERAGE. That average isn't a 100% thing, it's what it is, an average chance of happening.
It's also possible you'll get it the first or second run, or the fifteenth or more. An average isn't a guarantee.

[Valhalla Awaits]

Publicado originalmente por floody:

Many people complaining that the 20% drop chances are fake etc. This is not the case.
What is happening that many people also get these items very easily or first try but you dont see them come here and open topics about it.
People only post about negative things affecting them.
So while you are "unlucky" on average with certain items, many others are the opposite.
Its just not visible on these forums.

Prove it. Because after I spent an entire day doing a mission """127 times""" to get one of those "15%" items. I call BS. Either the developers are lying. Or one of them added a decimal point where they should not have.

[Ronin Gamer]

Publicado originalmente por Valhalla Awaits:

Publicado originalmente por floody:

Many people complaining that the 20% drop chances are fake etc. This is not the case.
What is happening that many people also get these items very easily or first try but you dont see them come here and open topics about it.
People only post about negative things affecting them.
So while you are "unlucky" on average with certain items, many others are the opposite.
Its just not visible on these forums.

Prove it. Because after spent an entire day doing a mission """127 times""" to get one of those "20%" items. I call BS.

I'm calling bs on those attempts, but even IF that's true, that can happen.
20% chance is PER RUN. It's a dice roll each time if you get the result you are looking for or not, and it can happen that something like that does indeed occur.
Not that you're going to try and understand that because asking someone who's already calling **** on something they'll never listen even if you actually list out all the detailed facts about the situation, so I won't be bothering further than this. If you want to be upset over something you don't understand that's your business. Have fun.