Ultimate Descendants should overwrite their Base Descendant

[Label07]

Anyone else realize yet that unlocking base descendants (besides the extremely necessary; Enzo/Sharen) is pointless?

Part of the grind late game is to unlock ultimate descendants. These are separate from the base, meaning the base is not necessary AND anything you invest into the base is pointless.

This means energy activators and module slot types. Once you have the ultimate there is NO reason to use the base again. (I've heard warframe does the same thing, if that is the case; games are supposed to evolve not straight copy their predecessors)

This is a horrible system that needs a revise.

I suggest the ultimate overwrites the base and any extras that were on the base are either refunded (crystallization catalysts & energy activators) or pushed/unlocked on the ultimate.

Edit1: More descendants = more descendant slots you need = IRL money to unlock slots = predatory. This is over monetization.

Edit2: Module slot type unlocks should be "rainbow" meaning ANY module slot unlocked via a catalyst can now use ANY symbol at ANY time. This solves the people crying they need multiple descendants in order to have multiple builds issue.

Edit3: Instead of overlaying an ultimate on the base, the base can be "dismantled/dismissed" and ALL materials, gold, catalysts, and activators are refunded to the players inventory.

Note: a quick fix for now is a reset button on a descendant that removes/refunds any crystallization catalyst used and/or energy activators.

[dAsh]

yeah i don't understand why they can't upgrade it. also the feeling of unlocking ultimate descendant feels off. I mean i've farmed so much but all they give me is that oh you can use this character now. should've been some animation, or intro and some story about how the base character evolved. that would be wayyyyy cooler and satisfying. feels like a let down at the moment.

[Riepah]

Originally posted by dAsh:

should've been some animation, or intro and some story about how the base character evolved.

What? Bunny is evolving!

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Label07:

This means energy activators and module slot types. Once you have the ultimate there is NO reason to use the base again.

At some point you simply one shot everything in normal mode and to some degree even in hard mode, so there's no need to always use the ultimate version. In these cases you can just use the base version as some sort of skin you sometimes use without constantly switching stuff in the ultimate version. At least that's what i'll probably do, since the difference between normal and ultimate isn't as big that it makes the normal one completely obsolete.

[Frieren]

Originally posted by Label07:

Anyone else realize yet that unlocking base descendants (besides the extremely necessary; Enzo/Sharen) is pointless?

Part of the grind late game is to unlock ultimate descendants. These are separate from the base, meaning the base is not necessary AND anything you invest into the base is pointless.

This means energy activators and module slot types. Once you have the ultimate there is NO reason to use the base again. (I've heard warframe does the same thing, if that is the case; games are supposed to evolve not straight copy their predecessors)

This is a horrible system that needs a revise.

I suggest the ultimate overwrites the base and any extras that were on the base are either refunded (crystallization catalysts & energy activators) or pushed/unlocked on the ultimate.

Note: a quick fix for now is a reset button on a descendant that removes/refunds any crystallization catalyst used and/or energy activators.

You can just dismiss the other one and replace him with the ultimate *shrug*

[Label07]

Originally posted by Ruby Rose:

Originally posted by Label07:

Anyone else realize yet that unlocking base descendants (besides the extremely necessary; Enzo/Sharen) is pointless?

Part of the grind late game is to unlock ultimate descendants. These are separate from the base, meaning the base is not necessary AND anything you invest into the base is pointless.

This means energy activators and module slot types. Once you have the ultimate there is NO reason to use the base again. (I've heard warframe does the same thing, if that is the case; games are supposed to evolve not straight copy their predecessors)

This is a horrible system that needs a revise.

I suggest the ultimate overwrites the base and any extras that were on the base are either refunded (crystallization catalysts & energy activators) or pushed/unlocked on the ultimate.

Note: a quick fix for now is a reset button on a descendant that removes/refunds any crystallization catalyst used and/or energy activators.

You can just dismiss the other one and replace him with the ultimate *shrug*

Do you get anything for dismissing? If not, then that's a LOT of wasted mats/gold/time for nothing in return other than to clear up a slot (which they charge you for FYI). Maybe they made ultimates a completely different descendant in order to add to how many a player has in effort for a player to buy more descendant slots?

[Lyote]

Same reason you still farm out non prime Warframes and weapons.
Mastery fodder.

How much value that mastery has to you will vary from person to person, but it's there.

It may also take years for a Descendant you like to get its Ultimate form. At some point, you may as well just play the base version and build up a resource stockpile for when the ultimate drops.

[Label07]

Originally posted by Lyote:

Same reason you still farm out non prime Warframes and weapons.
Mastery fodder.

How much value that mastery has to you will vary from person to person, but it's there.

It may also take years for a Descendant you like to get its Ultimate form. At some point, you may as well just play the base version and build up a resource stockpile for when the ultimate drops.

Sounds like a bad carrot-on-a-stick mechanism. Time for change.

Mastery is nice and all but is an afterthought. After reaching 17 it seems to soft cap due to the amount of XP needed to get to 18. I'm sure is true for each after. That said the only real benefit is the extra module slots, however this only goes up by 1 from 17 to 18...hardly worth focusing on. Again, an afterthought.

As for the second part of waiting for an ultimate to come around. That is my whole point. Any investment into a base will NOT carry over to the ultimate making any investment wasted.

My suggestion makes investing worthwhile and getting ultimates to upgrade your base descendants a fun experience where progress is saved not started over.

[76561197988918266]

base descendants are source of mastery exp and quick(er) access to all void shard farms.

basic bunny is worth reactor/forma even if ultimate version isn't that hard to farm(and I have) just to breeze through normal mode faster

having base descendant as separate entities also means you can use practically 6 quickly swapped builds with 2 different sets of forma.

[Foul Eagle]

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[Label07]

Originally posted by BOKU Haram | Boki Harem:

base descendants are source of mastery exp and quick(er) access to all void shard farms.

basic bunny is worth reactor/forma even if ultimate version isn't that hard to farm(and I have) just to breeze through normal mode faster

having base descendant as separate entities also means you can use practically 6 quickly swapped builds with 2 different sets of forma.

There would be need for something as obtuse as using base descendant for multiple builds if we unlocked modules slots for ANY symbol that could be changed at any time.

Mastery gives garbage benefits and is super easy to hit lvl17. There are a ton of weapons to level and each ultimate will need to be re-leveled many times to unlock all their module types. There is no need to pointlessly extend that grind to a base descendant. OR have the ultimate overwrite the base descendant so our time/effort are not wasted.

[Lamiosa]

It would be more user-friendly, but they want to create big loops and it would cut the loop of having to level all again.
To add to this, people might also already invested for mod-slots (or even buy stuff for), so another loop would be cut. It is all about creating loops and making money for shortcuts to the loops.

[nostrovus]

Let's be honest, base Descendants with Ults are just there to fill up your character slots so you pay for more slots, and have to farm or pay for the Ult. It's a money making mechanic.

[Rogue]

No, it's an option where you can dismiss your descendant. Of course, level to 40 to get MR exp. Might regret it if you can't clear the story quest since only the vanilla version is allowed.

[nostrovus]

Plus 200,000 gold for dismissing a descendant is kinda lame.

[[UNQL]Tango]

Originally posted by nostrovus:

Let's be honest, base Descendants with Ults are just there to fill up your character slots so you pay for more slots, and have to farm or pay for the Ult. It's a money making mechanic.

This.