why some guns just have generally low af dps?

[Trig_Zero]

compare Tamer with any gun in the game
even the exotics
nothing seem to be able to top Tamer for some reason
is it the fire rate? or the damage that scales with level?

note : am not saying we should nerf Tamer
but i am saying we should buff everything else.
not to overtake Tamer's meta position, but to make it less obvious like a skyscraper in the middle of the ocean
also them pistols just not even worth considering cuz how dps works
in many games i kinda like the under-performing weapons just for the style, but TFD got no biz for that, its either Tamer or ♥♥♥♥ off in high level content.

[Grimzy]

THere are guns much better than Tamer when built properly.
See tamer as a....how to word this correctly "noob friendly powergun only good until you built others properly"

[DonPete]

Nguyên văn bởi Grimzy:

THere are guns much better than Tamer when built properly.
See tamer as a....how to word this correctly "noob friendly powergun only good until you built others properly"

More like Tamer is the most famous, followed by Vestigial organ and gley

[Grimzy]

Nguyên văn bởi DonPete:

Nguyên văn bởi Grimzy:

THere are guns much better than Tamer when built properly.
See tamer as a....how to word this correctly "noob friendly powergun only good until you built others properly"

More like Tamer is the most famous, followed by Vestigial organ and gley

Shhhh we dont talk about Gley :P

[ffrotty]

Nguyên văn bởi Trig_Zero:

compare Tamer with any gun in the game
even the exotics
nothing seem to be able to top Tamer for some reason
is it the fire rate? or the damage that scales with level?

note : am not saying we should nerf Tamer
but i am saying we should buff everything else.
not to overtake Tamer's meta position, but to make it less obvious like a skyscraper in the middle of the ocean
also them pistols just not even worth considering cuz how dps works
in many games i kinda like the under-performing weapons just for the style, but TFD got no biz for that, its either Tamer or ♥♥♥♥ off in high level content.

tamer has crap base crit rate.

the issue is chasing the big number when you see the "dps" when looking at modules.

the REAL highest damage tamer build has a very low dps number ~250-350k compared to a higher dps tamer build that relies on crit (500k+)

the game doesn't factor in what your target is or what you're hitting. for example if it assumed you're only hitting weak points the dps number on a weak point build would be far more, especially considering how much damage you do once the hardpoints are gone on a boss.

don't chase their ingame numbers, they're just misleading.

you have to calculate on your own the value of each shot based on what you're shooting. so a high "dps" number on something without good sustain is pointless when you're at 0 dps for 99% of the time because you have no ammo.


you can confirm this by rerolling the base on a weapon and seeing what the dps score does and does not take into account, best example is +ELEMENT attacks. they're all the same, but the bosses resists aren't. so your big number is meaningless if you have the wrong element


tldr: dps number on mod screen is useless, tamer damage isn't the highest for all activities regardless of number, on bosses highest tamer builds are weakpoint not crit even though crit gives highest dps score.

for example hand cannons built for immune phases massively outdamage any other option considering sustain where a sniper rifle massively outdamages everything due to high base crit, but if you miss shots you're just out of ammo doing nothing

[Trig_Zero]

Nguyên văn bởi ffrotty:

Nguyên văn bởi Trig_Zero:

compare Tamer with any gun in the game
even the exotics
nothing seem to be able to top Tamer for some reason
is it the fire rate? or the damage that scales with level?

note : am not saying we should nerf Tamer
but i am saying we should buff everything else.
not to overtake Tamer's meta position, but to make it less obvious like a skyscraper in the middle of the ocean
also them pistols just not even worth considering cuz how dps works
in many games i kinda like the under-performing weapons just for the style, but TFD got no biz for that, its either Tamer or ♥♥♥♥ off in high level content.

tamer has crap base crit rate.

the issue is chasing the big number when you see the "dps" when looking at modules.

the REAL highest damage tamer build has a very low dps number ~250-350k compared to a higher dps tamer build that relies on crit (500k+)

the game doesn't factor in what your target is or what you're hitting. for example if it assumed you're only hitting weak points the dps number on a weak point build would be far more, especially considering how much damage you do once the hardpoints are gone on a boss.

don't chase their ingame numbers, they're just misleading.

you have to calculate on your own the value of each shot based on what you're shooting. so a high "dps" number on something without good sustain is pointless when you're at 0 dps for 99% of the time because you have no ammo.


you can confirm this by rerolling the base on a weapon and seeing what the dps score does and does not take into account, best example is +ELEMENT attacks. they're all the same, but the bosses resists aren't. so your big number is meaningless if you have the wrong element


tldr: dps number on mod screen is useless, tamer damage isn't the highest for all activities regardless of number, on bosses highest tamer builds are weakpoint not crit even though crit gives highest dps score.

for example hand cannons built for immune phases massively outdamage any other option considering sustain where a sniper rifle massively outdamages everything due to high base crit, but if you miss shots you're just out of ammo doing nothing

interesting...
i do feel like some weapons are more handy and better at certain moments
while others are just trash anywhere else
Tamer is one of those that i can just slap on a few mods and am good to go for most content early game
another gun that felt similar would be the minigun style LMG, Lion smth, forgot the name

[jandraelune]

Ones with high crit and weakpoint dmg out do Tamer in boss fights, Assassin's Edge is one.

But some are just awful and need a buff to something.
Handguns, literally have the lowest stats in everything.
Beam Rifles, range is so short not even worth it.
High-Impact, until you get an ammo converter module or some other gimmick to make more ammo, don't bother.