Do you consider the pricing to be fair?

[Melchiah]

Serious question here, I noticed that an ultimate descendant is about 55 bucks and the "premium" pack is about 100, and let's not forget dyes being a single use per costume per character.

Please refrain from the usual "you can just farm them" as this is not the point, and also you can't farm for the cosmetics provided on the "premium" pack, and there's no way to buy them separately either.

Also, do you think these issues would be mitigated by letting players trade for Caliber like Warframe lets you trade for Platinum?

Warning: Wall of text!! the TLDR is that sadly, it's their game and they make the rules, so you should leave if you don't like it.

I'd like to thank everyone for their input, and I'd like to leave some final words:

I think the game is fun, the gameplay is enjoyable, and I wish it would thrive and form a strong and loyal community as Warframe did (I mean, they even have a "TennoCon" every year), but I saw it's pricing and how they pulled the usual tricks a F2P game would to monetize their game, and my first thought was that this would be yet another multiplayer game kept alive by whales, which doesn't end up well for the average player.

So then I wondered, how many people are willing to partake on this?, and this question is important because in the end, it's the players who build a community, and if there's no players to do so, then how long will the game last?.

And then the question changes to: Should I stay or should I go? is it really worth it to keep going and probably spend my money on this project, or is it going to die fast?.

I think you should never take a gamble that's not worth it for you, and losing would hinder you hard, so in the end the only thing I can say to anyone reading this is:

If you were planing to spend on this game, any amount of money you spend on it should be considered a loss, maybe even a waste, and you shouldn't get attached to it, that way, it will be easy to quit and move along if they ruin the game. On the other hand, if the game improves and listends to the players, you will have an unexpected win in your hands

As I said, players form their communities, and said players establish their rules and environment. If the game decides to fish whales, it will be taken by whales and that's the environment you will have to deal with, and if you're not willing to or can't, sadly the only thing left is to leave and find another game and community where you will have a better time.

[Hommit]

What they need first is regional prices.
I can consider getting a BP and maybe a skin or two, but not at this price. Not everyone earns first-world salary

[Rooxon]

If you compare them to the competition, the prices are 5-10x worse.
If you realize this is a newly launched game that took a huge leap of faith, it's kind of fair really. Someone's gotta pay for the servers.

One tip tho, yeah? They just announced yesterday how happy they are they hit 10mil players ingame. Pretty sure this will mean discounts down the line for us. They're also far more in communication with us than DE for example over at Warframe ever is. They take weeks, months for replies and fixes - Nexon does it in days.

[DtHouse]

Originally posted by Melchiah:

Serious question here, I noticed that an ultimate descendant is about 55 bucks and the "premium" pack is about 100, and let's not forget dyes being a single use per costume per character.

Please refrain from the usual "you can just farm them" as this is not the point, and also you can't farm for the cosmetics provided on the "premium" pack, and there's no way to buy them separately either.

Also, do you think these issues would be mitigated by letting players trade for Caliber like Warframe lets you trade for Platinum?

For me no, they are overpriced on everythings. Even the battle pass in the end don't seem to give a lot of stuff, most of them are some random easy drop or easy build things.

[SooperBoomer]

Problem I see is that Ultimates are only from bundles theyre not really 3k Calibur they should be around 1200-1500 Calibur if we follow the pricing of descendants but they bundled in a costume to bump up the price.

[Wrayday]

FK and No.

Descendants are the least of this games problem. If you want to rush a characters mods it's going to cost you $50 for the char and the gun mod limit expansion. Then $5 for each slot of the char and the weapon and I believe its 16 slots.

Because even if you have all the mats for multiple slot mods you can only craft one at a time.

Back to the Descendants themselves.... clearly the game gives you 10 char slots and the Ult editions are better than stock.... this all leans towards power creep. So paying for a char now means in a year or two when they release a much better char it will be far better.

Think World of Tanks for powercreep and the issues it caused for old premium tanks.

[SomeMMORPGplayer]

wether you want to try to public force nexon to change their prices... i would suggest you dont. you can always try wokeframe if you want cheap prices. goes with towkeframes community quality as well

[Geist]

I could either buy something from the game shop or something from Vivienne Westwood. I think it is a fair price for luxury items. The main thing I dislike is the dye being single use which is insane but common. And the stuff like maid costumes being tied to the character.

[D. Flame]

Fair? Yes, they tell you what you are getting and for how much.

Overpriced? Also yes, but people are paying, so it's whatever.

[Kahvichi]

Not commenting the Ultimate bundles. But what i comment is the pricing of Energy expansions and module slot stuff. They are crazy expensive and annoying to grind. With five euro's i could get two energy expansions. Here, I need to pay 15 euros for one. That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Melchiah]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Fair? Yes, they tell you what you are getting and for how much.

Overpriced? Also yes, but people are paying, so it's whatever.

Ok this is a nice point you have.

It's not a gacha or any of those lootbox crap so you're not gambling away, but I'd argue that them being Overpriced is also not fair.

Originally posted by Hommit:

What they need first is regional prices.
I can consider getting a BP and maybe a skin or two, but not at this price. Not everyone earns first-world salary

I wonder if this will actually help rather than hinder, cause for instance, Fatal Bullet (a Sword Art game) was localized for Mexico, and it's more expensive than the US. I hope it's done right and actually helps the costumer,

Originally posted by Rooxon:

If you compare them to the competition, the prices are 5-10x worse.
If you realize this is a newly launched game that took a huge leap of faith, it's kind of fair really. Someone's gotta pay for the servers.

One tip tho, yeah? They just announced yesterday how happy they are they hit 10mil players ingame. Pretty sure this will mean discounts down the line for us. They're also far more in communication with us than DE for example over at Warframe ever is. They take weeks, months for replies and fixes - Nexon does it in days.

I understand the need to pay for the servers, but just as you mentioned, their prices are worse than the competition, and that by definition makes this an inferior product and therefore, doomed to fail.
I hope they do listen to their players and make it so the game is costumer friendly.

[VeronaKate]

Yes It is very much fair for the time it takes to grind them . Think about how much money you make a hour a day then stack that to the time your taking to grind it in game . The time it takes to grind for it based on the rng system is ALOT of time and to be blunt if your running your own small local shop like I do or make even min of about 15- 20 dollars a hour for normies then you will realize how much money you make multiplying that by the time it takes to grind . In the long run you get more of a reward using your real life labor income to buy the currency to buy a character . Seems pretty fair to me for being a free game . Nothing is really free without effort to gain the good stuff . Also do not listen to players if they call you lazy for buying .

Reason is you spend money you make working a job in reality so your not lazy for spending money to buy a character or premium currency . Buying items in this game and being called lazy mind as well be called lazy for buying and owning a car that others cannot afford . Now it would be lazy if you were a child stealing your parents card and skipping out on school to buy nice things in game . That wouldn't just be lazy . Would be idiotic . Note : Only buy items if you have high ambitions , decent income and love to spend money .

[AI NPC]

energy activator should be 500, catalysts should be 150. As for the ultimates, they need to give some caliber and all 4 types of 30-day boosters in the 5000 pack, like how warframe does with the prime access. The most expensive regular descendants are 900 the price jump is way too vs the ultimates for what you get.

[Valhalla Awaits]

Originally posted by Melchiah:

Serious question here, I noticed that an ultimate descendant is about 55 bucks and the "premium" pack is about 100, and let's not forget dyes being a single use per costume per character.

Please refrain from the usual "you can just farm them" as this is not the point, and also you can't farm for the cosmetics provided on the "premium" pack, and there's no way to buy them separately either.

Also, do you think these issues would be mitigated by letting players trade for Caliber like Warframe lets you trade for Platinum?

No, the prices are absurdly overpriced. I can farm the enhancement item in a hour what the game sells for $25. Granted it "can" take WEEKS to farm ultimate characters in game, but those cost $60-$100. But then ultimate characters are also not actually worth getting either way unless you like the skin.

The rune slot enhancements are fairly priced though at about $6 each, and those take an hour to farm on average all the mats for. Those I would buy if I really needed them. (Haven't had any issue keeping up with them via crafting so far though.

[Sublime Entropy]

I bought a few things nothing extravagant, but i think I'm done until something changes. I feel for what I've spent I have gotten entertainment value for it. Is it f2p sure, but sometimes this grind is just insane. Considering I've crafted 3 Energy Activators so far for good reason (those prices...) that alone is enough motivation to not spend any more. I do have a goal to grind and not buy instant gratification. Although if I'm still playing in 3 months perhaps ill buy myself something nice....

[Katzh]

it's more about the value proposition.
it could be better, but you can get the character by farming.
(and it doesn't take a year or more to get them, people already got couple of ultimate version by farming)

the farm is mostly like warfame imo.
and I've never buy normal or prime version in warframe too.

buying characters is realllllly for lazy ass people.