The First Descendant

The First Descendant

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Sensored Jul 14, 2024 @ 4:31pm
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Bunny..
Get rid of this or nerf it. Any dungeon i go in to now is just a group full of bunnies running at top speed killing everything they run past, so essentially the dungeons just become: fall behind until your force teleported over and over again, meanwhile everything has already died..
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Ranzac Jul 15, 2024 @ 10:51am 
lol, You're going to learn to appreciate those bunnies when your farming the same dungeon for the 20th time trying to get that descendant drop or module and your brain is going numb on auto pilot.
Rooxon Jul 15, 2024 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by Ranzac:
lol, You're going to learn to appreciate those bunnies when your farming the same dungeon for the 20th time trying to get that descendant drop or module and your brain is going numb on auto pilot.

There's actually one of those tower thingies, that can only be damaged by toxin and Freyna makes that farm a joke, you place down her toxin pools and stand in place. Enemies have only 3 different spawn points, two groups die as they spawn in, you're shooting at the third. It's downright really funny.

I wanna try this farm one of these days with a team full of Freynas, to see if we can *actually* stand in place then without even shooting, we'd have enough toxin pools between us for that.
Last edited by Rooxon; Jul 15, 2024 @ 10:56am
Artemis Jul 15, 2024 @ 11:04am 
Not sure what the OP's point is tbh, all games have efficient farming, I would say gley rocket launcher spam is actually more troublesome since you can't literally see anything on screen and slows down dps for the whole group. I use bunny she is great, you WANT dungeons to be fast, since everything is 2-3 points of farming. If the OP is really annoyed do it solo, the added bonus is that you can also get higher death multiplier, 200%+ is easy enough solo, I just prefer public because I like to help a pug clear faster.
COWABUNGATIME Jul 15, 2024 @ 4:26pm 
Originally posted by ._.:
I agree with you. And I absolutely don't understand understand people who say that Bunny is good because farming is boring. So what is the point of playing this game in a first place? If farming is boring and 95 percent of this game is farming so what is the point? People want to kill stuff. Its the only point of playing this game, nothing more. But they cannot because every time they are in team with people playing Bunny. In almost every dungeon I play with at lest 2 Bunnies decimating absolutely everything in matter of seconds. They dont even use their guns, just running around and jumping. Every single dungeon look like that. And this argument to play solo is just pathetic. They should just give us option to ban specific descendants from team. I bet day they would give that this option 99% of teams would be Bunny free or 4 Bunnies team. Balance in this game is joke, nothing more. And because one specific class is just broken game is just boring as hell. This game have nothing to offer beside killing stuff, but you cant do it because half of population running around with broken character with super annoying voice. If they will not do something about this this game will be dead in couple of months.

>Bunny OP
>Built like a sheet of paper
>Gets knocked down by a stiff breeze

Just say you're awful at the game. You know what I love seeing? Bunny dungeons. It means I'm going to get through the farm quicker for the Amorphous Material I need more quickly. You know what I love seeing in Colossi fights? Gleys. It means I'm not going to have to make sure I am absolutely on point to DPS while not going down to bad hitboxes. You know what I love seeing? Freyna and Valby in defense operations because I know that they can keep an entire area locked down.

Every character in this game is strong, you're just bad at the game.
Dreadnaught Jul 15, 2024 @ 4:39pm 
People in this thread: "woosh".

Nobody said anything about stopping you trying to optimise speed or that farming fast wasn't the goal. The problem here is with the current balance of things, there's simply no reason to play other characters. There's a certain point where things become unreasonable. There's no *reason* to play a massive portion of the game with this excuse. This is not what balance is. Optimising =/= laziness. This is laziness and people feeling threatened that they might actually need to roll their sleeves up to experience a game (which they're already missing a ton of).

I'm basically hearing a lot of "I want to play a game that heavily relies and revolves on farming without needing to farm". Think about that. What's left after you skip the farming? "I need muh content".. you skipped it, idiot.
Dreadnaught Jul 15, 2024 @ 4:44pm 
Originally posted by COWABUNGATIME:
Originally posted by ._.:
I agree with you. And I absolutely don't understand understand people who say that Bunny is good because farming is boring. So what is the point of playing this game in a first place? If farming is boring and 95 percent of this game is farming so what is the point? People want to kill stuff. Its the only point of playing this game, nothing more. But they cannot because every time they are in team with people playing Bunny. In almost every dungeon I play with at lest 2 Bunnies decimating absolutely everything in matter of seconds. They dont even use their guns, just running around and jumping. Every single dungeon look like that. And this argument to play solo is just pathetic. They should just give us option to ban specific descendants from team. I bet day they would give that this option 99% of teams would be Bunny free or 4 Bunnies team. Balance in this game is joke, nothing more. And because one specific class is just broken game is just boring as hell. This game have nothing to offer beside killing stuff, but you cant do it because half of population running around with broken character with super annoying voice. If they will not do something about this this game will be dead in couple of months.

>Bunny OP
>Built like a sheet of paper
>Gets knocked down by a stiff breeze

Just say you're awful at the game. You know what I love seeing? Bunny dungeons. It means I'm going to get through the farm quicker for the Amorphous Material I need more quickly. You know what I love seeing in Colossi fights? Gleys. It means I'm not going to have to make sure I am absolutely on point to DPS while not going down to bad hitboxes. You know what I love seeing? Freyna and Valby in defense operations because I know that they can keep an entire area locked down.

Every character in this game is strong, you're just bad at the game.

....what do you need to do all this fast for, exactly? Legitimately. So you're saying you want to skip the entire game so that you can........? What? What is there left to do if everyone is skipping the entire game for you? You just threw away your entire opinion because you're telling people you want to play the game by skipping the entire game, which means your opinion is not valid and *shouldn't* be valid for anything content or balance related to the game. Do you also tell people you're *good* at the game? For having skipped it? I don't get it. This is a whole personality type of gamer that I can only describe as mentally ill.
amathy Jul 15, 2024 @ 5:00pm 
Originally posted by Dreadnaught:
The problem here is with the current balance of things, there's simply no reason to play other characters.
Almost every character has some build that is competitive in some part of the game. With a maxed thunder cage most characters are not even significantly slower than bunny for farming, using gley for anticipated ambush point instead of bunny loses me about 5 seconds per run. Believing bunny is so far ahead of every character for every part of the game that other characters aren't even worth using is just being ignorant.
Fana Jul 15, 2024 @ 5:03pm 
I don't understand why you're crying. I don't play bunny... BUT when they are there it's so welcomed because they make things go faster. What the ♥♥♥♥? just go play solo....
Void Jul 15, 2024 @ 5:06pm 
this whining about bunnies need to go - stop crying, it is pathetic.
go touch grass & realise it is a pve game - play solo if u cant stand people playing their choice of descendant.
Hybernian Jul 15, 2024 @ 5:13pm 
*Fingers crossed for a real nerf*
Owndizzel Jul 15, 2024 @ 5:56pm 
AFK and enjoy the benefits of letting other nerds sweat for you.

i love all the F2P bunnies zooming through the mission as fast as they can.

although i don't rezz them.
They need to learn how to be unpaid farming interns, w/o assistance.
Donoghu Jul 15, 2024 @ 6:09pm 
Originally posted by MobiusBlack:
Each descendant should have strengths just like warframe, some are farming monsters while others are pure damage and tanks and so on. If everything was at the same pace there would be no point in playing anything else.

Warframe would be a prime example that Bunny needs a tiny be of a change.

In Warframe, what you see currently with Bunny, you could do something extremely similar with Volt between 2014 and 2018.

When Volt was released during Beta phase (only available for backers who purchased any of the bronze/silver/gold package from the official website), his overload ability was a single cast ability that would last a few sec and hit everything in a room a few time. Any enemies close to a electric source (such as a light in the map) would receive bonus lightning damages.

For the release in 2012, his overload ability was changed into a MP-draining ability (turned toggle ability once it was toggle ability were implemented as, prior, they would cast & last until MP ran dry.) This revamp of his ability would hit enemies through walls in a radius as large as 120m and would also hit any part of the environment that could be destroyed. (This made Volt a pain to manage in maps that has vacuum windows since, back then, a broken vacuum window would pull all enemies (and their possible MP orb) in space, lock the player in that room with a DoT effect until a close-by terminal would be hacked and an emergency window panel would close the vacuum hole.) When card were implemented, Volt could cast overload constantly, destroying everything in a single sec (except for bosses and certain Elite) recharge all its MP from dropped MP orb (especially with the Equilibrum card and MP regen passive card).

It was in 2018 that Volt's overload was nerfed hard by having its max radius reduced and adding a fall-over-distance effect to its damage output (going down to 50% from as close as 24m). (And that's after WD buffed the enemies natural lightning resistance too.)

Amber also had her share of buff, then nerf with her World on Fire ultimate ability. At one point WD buffed her ability fire damages, then she was really close to the fire version of Volt. WD nerfed her ability by limiting the number of enemies hit per "stack" to 5 and prioritize stronger enemies or those who have hit Ember. Initially, it was a duration cast which means that the player could recharge her MP while her ability is active and follow her easily, but WD changed it to a toggled ability with a 3MP/s base cost. As such, any MP orbs close to her would instantly be used to fill that tiny 3MP making it hard to maintain in the long run without avoiding MP orb when close to full. As the same for Volt, WD buffed most of the enemies fire resists, but she still deal decent damage, only with the risk of having enemies still tick her low HP and armor more often.

Do you remember when Frost's Snow Globe would kill anything that would attempt crossing its edge? It was basically a stationary dispenser of a cold version of Volt's overload that could clear rooms in a sec. His Snow Globe was nerfed by only dealing cold damage to enemies in the area while the ability is cast or when the globe is broken/ends. (enemies are still hit by a Cold effect every 0.33s).

It's possible to nerf a character without exactly making every "flat".

For example, by adding enemies that can counter or block a single element which would force a descendant who prioritize this element to use his/her guns.

By adding chance for enemies to be more resistant to (especially) lightning or fire or cold, you add more strategy to the mix.

One example of a possible change to Bunny's ability would be to make it as this:
• Anything within her current ability's range would get electrocuted and paralyzed for 2s and that includes anything that walks into it too. Once that effect is gone, the mobs would be immune to the paralyze effect for 6s.
• Anything within half of her current ability range would get lightning damage at the current pace.

This idea would bring Bunny into a whole different kind of expertise without exactly changing her style. She could run through a bunch of mobs, killing a line of them in the process, but the rest (which currently would die) would only be paralyzed momentarily which would leave targets for the other players. It would still be possible for bunny to to zig-zags and return on her steps to deal with paralyzed mobs, but at least it wouldn't be a pass-and-be-done instant massacre. With the paralyze effect, it would also promote players who use her to focus on DoA weapons like a grenade launcher which has slower firerate.
76561199731705733 Jul 15, 2024 @ 6:12pm 
People complaining for meta builds are insane, they want to go slow and waste time in a shooter looter, lmao youre all dumb, obviously people are gonna try to farm as much stuff as fast they can, you dont understand the genre
Dreadnaught Jul 15, 2024 @ 6:18pm 
Originally posted by amathy:
Originally posted by Dreadnaught:
The problem here is with the current balance of things, there's simply no reason to play other characters.
Almost every character has some build that is competitive in some part of the game. With a maxed thunder cage most characters are not even significantly slower than bunny for farming, using gley for anticipated ambush point instead of bunny loses me about 5 seconds per run. Believing bunny is so far ahead of every character for every part of the game that other characters aren't even worth using is just being ignorant.
Competitive in PvE? That's an argument of it's own right there, but anyways... The people complaining aren't talking about Hard mode or even endgame. The issue is that even players just going through a dungeon for the first time are getting paired with sweatlord bunnies that "gotta go fast" and skip the entire thing in 20 seconds. The excuse of "just play solo" is simply unacceptable, poor sportsmanship and lazy. I'm fine with Bunny keeping with being "the fast/mobility" descendant and still having the same abilities, but they do need to be tailored to be in line with everyone else. There's a character having it's strengths and then theres "well this character is literally the best option for everything until late game". That's not balanced.
We don't need to stinkin balancing, unless you're talking about buffing other toons.
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Date Posted: Jul 14, 2024 @ 4:31pm
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