NOT A CASH-GRAB

[Erook D Weeb]

Why i think so:

1. The poster-child (Bunny) is acquirable for free after 2hrs of main story.
2. all characters are acquirable via paying or grinding.
3. No Gacha. (You know what you get when you spend money)
4. No PvP. (makes any Pay to Win elements less important)
5. No major FOMO elements.
6. It's a FREE game.
7. Devs communicate and address realistic issues.
8. You can paint over even the cheap skins which allows for cheap versatility.
9. Game is planned to have a trading system soon i heard.

This game is certainly no charity but it's quite generous if you think about it.
All its missing for me is the ability to earn a little bit of Caliber weekly and it's golden.

[Erook D Weeb]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Erook D Weeb:

IDK man i like the game lol, fun to shoot things, weapons feel/sound awesome, characters look great, abilities are fun. My friend is halfway done with getting Ultimate Bunny without even trying to get her, and i almost got Gley so yea, we're having fun.

OK, just a question - have you ever played Warframe? Cuz almost every1 who likes TFD never touched warframe, so i guess you like this game cuz you have no idea how much better could the endgame be. This game actualy made me reinstall warframe after not playing it for 4 years, cuz grinding in this game is just torture.

Yea you got me, never played it, i tried it for 20 min and i didn't like the outdated look, and the animations were jarring and stiff to look at.. And as a 3D Animator that bothers me a bit more

[Empukris]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Erook D Weeb:

IDK man i like the game lol, fun to shoot things, weapons feel/sound awesome, characters look great, abilities are fun. My friend is halfway done with getting Ultimate Bunny without even trying to get her, and i almost got Gley so yea, we're having fun.

OK, just a question - have you ever played Warframe? Cuz almost every1 who likes TFD never touched warframe, so i guess you like this game cuz you have no idea how much better could the endgame be. This game actualy made me reinstall warframe after not playing it for 4 years, cuz grinding in this game is just torture.

Pre war within no, void relic grinding is awfull T4 void defense is used to be 1 of those end game and that is also equally boring. TFD currently is somewhere in between. Better than old warframe but worse than current one. There is not even a proper end game content currently. All skill is more similar to old skill of warframe too before DE rework all skill to have synergy with 1 another and feels more fluid.

[solarfly]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Erook D Weeb:

You say real money but anyone who has time to play video games will have 10 euros

That's not true at all. There are plenty of people who have no spare cash. They play F2P games or old games specifically because they don't have spare cash. It offers hours of entertainment for little to no additional costs.

A playstation or XBox is $500. A PC rig, monitor and peripherals start out at $1500 to just get going, never mind nVidia's higher end offerings which run over $1000 easily just for the card.

That said, if the skins or extras for this game were only $5 or $10, that would put it on par with tons of other games (eg. Guild Wars costumes and accessories), but paying real money for paint swatches that can only be used once is a really obvious cash grab way to monetize. Warframe sells color palettes and once you have access to that palette you can apply it to anything for life. New characters for $100 USD is absolutely crazy and way out of line with any similar game.

Microtransactions need to be micro. Make the prices small and reasonable and let people buy lots of little things over time, and they will. Look how well this worked for Warframe! And it's been around 20 years, and I never feel like I've had my wallet stolen. This game on the otherhand, I'm reluctant to pay anything because the whole design is a destiny rip-off in order to sustain a cash shop -- not the other way around.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by solarfly:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

That's not true at all. There are plenty of people who have no spare cash. They play F2P games or old games specifically because they don't have spare cash. It offers hours of entertainment for little to no additional costs.

A playstation or XBox is $500. A PC rig, monitor and peripherals start out at $1500 to just get going, never mind nVidia's higher end offerings which run over $1000 easily just for the card.

That said, if the skins or extras for this game were only $5 or $10, that would put it on par with tons of other games (eg. Guild Wars costumes and accessories), but paying real money for paint swatches that can only be used once is a really obvious cash grab way to monetize. Warframe sells color palettes and once you have access to that palette you can apply it to anything for life. New characters for $100 USD is absolutely crazy and way out of line with any similar game.

Microtransactions need to be micro. Make the prices small and reasonable and let people buy lots of little things over time, and they will. Look how well this worked for Warframe! And it's been around 20 years, and I never feel like I've had my wallet stolen. This game on the otherhand, I'm reluctant to pay anything because the whole design is a destiny rip-off in order to sustain a cash shop -- not the other way around.

Again, that is you expecting people to be running on modern tech. So people are still running a 1080. That released in 2016 and cost $600.

2024 - 2016 = 8 years

$600 / 8 years = $75 per year. And most people aren't buying the 80 and 90 tier cards in the first place, like the most popular card on Steam right now is the 3060.

And this assumes people aren't just playing on laptops with cut down cards or mini PCs with iGPUs.

My machines are a desktop with a 4060 ti (16 GB), a laptop with a 3050, a Steam Deck OLED, and I also have a SFF tower with a RX 6400.

The only one that can run this game is the 4060ti.

[AI NPC]

also no in game ads to make you buy stuff

[AI NPC]

Originally posted by Erook D Weeb:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

OK, just a question - have you ever played Warframe? Cuz almost every1 who likes TFD never touched warframe, so i guess you like this game cuz you have no idea how much better could the endgame be. This game actualy made me reinstall warframe after not playing it for 4 years, cuz grinding in this game is just torture.

Warframe is pretty dated it runs on anything including a mobile phone, also what endgame are you talking about I am mr22 in warframe, there's only fashionframe, the jackal is the only decent boss, eidolons are horrible, archons are ♥♥♥♥.

[Abbas 🌹]

How many hours do you have?

[fx!]

So far, they have been playing nice, maybe way too nice. We got decent QoL stuff but game is still an unoptimised mess, hotfixes and smaller updates didn't help much with performance. They just keep pumping the skimpy stuff, which is just a short term monetary gain. There are still a lot of significant issues/questions that they haven't addressed.

Eh I doubt we'll get a full out trading system, I've heard only about trade-ins for unwanted stuff. We will see after the major update I guess.

[DudeBro69]

It's a good game.

I'm very hopeful for its future.

[Xenomorph - Drone]

Originally posted by Erook D Weeb:

Why i think so:

1. The poster-child (Bunny) is acquirable for free after 2hrs of main story.
2. all characters are acquirable via paying or grinding.
3. No Gacha. (You know what you get when you spend money)
4. No PvP. (makes any Pay to Win elements less important)
5. No major FOMO elements.
6. It's a FREE game.
7. Devs communicate and address realistic issues.
8. You can paint over even the cheap skins which allows for cheap versatility.
9. Game is planned to have a trading system soon i heard.

This game is certainly no charity but it's quite generous if you think about it.
All its missing for me is the ability to earn a little bit of Caliber weekly and it's golden.

Bunny - cash cow of this Devs.
I'm not gonna even read the rest what you wrote at this point. :D

[Jidobor🗿]

TFD is my favorite game in 2024 so far. And I'm probably going to play and support it for years to come, just like I played Warframe before.
Personally I have no complaints and only fear devs doing 2 things:
- nerfing fun out of the game for the sake of balance... in a PVE game... yeah like Warframe devs did for the last few years
- adding too much daily/weekly activities. Like Warframe or Destiny 2, both of which have so much of that, it makes me allergic even to the thought of logging in, because I'll be doing some boring Simon Says sh*t instead of playing game the way I like it

Now the last thing is something devs that make live service games like to do because it is a FOMO tactic that makes people log in regularly and it makes the game look good on the steam statistics while your playerbase slowly starts to burn out and hate the game.
It is a tempting thing for devs to add and I really really hope they don't, because personally this is what killed both D2 and Warframe for me.

[Xenomorph - Drone]

Originally posted by WaggishBean13 オタク:

there are a lot of paint slot options for skins, 5 or 6. you have to buy the paint you want for each slot so paint price * slots. also once a color is applied to a slot, that color application is used up, so if you buy 2x the color blue for a descandant then want to change it to another color down the road, those 2 blues that you bough are forever lost meaning you will have to re-buy them. This is a pure cash grab system. one unlocked each color should have unlimited uses.

The shop has skin fomo by having limited time skins

you can buy ult descendants and endgame materials to upgrade characters and weapons, while not p2w it is pay for power, which could be seen as pay to win

Free means nothing is how every other game is a live service game with greedy monetisation of its systems, after a certain point you will need to buy character slots after the free 10 are filled up. you can get rid of descendants and keep the ults onced unlocked but this will be a problem once there are more than 10 unique descendants in the game that people want to keep.

earned season pass currency is lost at the end of the season, so you cant use the currency earned in one season to buy the next. Also the currency in the pass is very little for what the prices are in the game

There is no such thing like "Pay to power". It's called - Pay to win.
It's the same thing.

[Xenomorph - Drone]

Originally posted by Erook D Weeb:

Why i think so:

1. The poster-child (Bunny) is acquirable for free after 2hrs of main story.
2. all characters are acquirable via paying or grinding.
3. No Gacha. (You know what you get when you spend money)
4. No PvP. (makes any Pay to Win elements less important)
5. No major FOMO elements.
6. It's a FREE game.
7. Devs communicate and address realistic issues.
8. You can paint over even the cheap skins which allows for cheap versatility.
9. Game is planned to have a trading system soon i heard.

This game is certainly no charity but it's quite generous if you think about it.
All its missing for me is the ability to earn a little bit of Caliber weekly and it's golden.

Ok, I've read now so, this is what I think:
1. Bunny is literally a cash cow of this game - developers made her overpowered on purpose so some "not very skilled" players will put a lot of money into her.
2. True.
3. True.
4. True - but doesn't make sense why it's here.
5. There is a Fomo in the shop, so you are wrong.
6. True.
7. Balance - not addressed. Freezing - not addressed. Random high ping - not addressed. Crashing - not addressed. Low fps issues - not addressed.
8. 1 time use paint per cosmetic - the MOST scummiest way of locking "fashion" behind the payment.
9. True. But there is no time given.
The game isn't generous at all, if you played warframe - This is generous game which treating the time and money of the player with respect.

[JudgeTy]

Originally posted by Bunny = Insta-leave:

Originally posted by WaggishBean13 オタク:

there are a lot of paint slot options for skins, 5 or 6. you have to buy the paint you want for each slot so paint price * slots. also once a color is applied to a slot, that color application is used up, so if you buy 2x the color blue for a descandant then want to change it to another color down the road, those 2 blues that you bough are forever lost meaning you will have to re-buy them. This is a pure cash grab system. one unlocked each color should have unlimited uses.

The shop has skin fomo by having limited time skins

you can buy ult descendants and endgame materials to upgrade characters and weapons, while not p2w it is pay for power, which could be seen as pay to win

Free means nothing is how every other game is a live service game with greedy monetisation of its systems, after a certain point you will need to buy character slots after the free 10 are filled up. you can get rid of descendants and keep the ults onced unlocked but this will be a problem once there are more than 10 unique descendants in the game that people want to keep.

earned season pass currency is lost at the end of the season, so you cant use the currency earned in one season to buy the next. Also the currency in the pass is very little for what the prices are in the game

There is no such thing like "Pay to power". It's called - Pay to win.
It's the same thing.

You do not have to buy the paint for each slot. If you are painting a body/outfit piece that has five slots you can use the same buy once paint on ALL five slots. Also you do not need to buy the paint again for that cosmetic body if you change it to another color.

You are confusing Helmets with bodies. A helmet has typically 3 slots, a body has 5. A paint purchased for that part works for all slots but is not shared between the helmet and body.

And again for the body example once you've acquired the paint of that piece you can freely change any of the paints on any of the five slots multiple times even..

Also the vast majority of the paints can be received as rewards for intercept (colossus boss battles). You can use those 20+ colors on one piece of cosmetic body and freely change your colors to any of those 20 colors including the same color 5 times as many times as you want. (FREE).

Also If you did the free battle pass +seasons you have 3 descendants to change their cosmetic bodies.

[Jidobor🗿]

Originally posted by Bunny = Insta-leave:

8. 1 time use paint per cosmetic - the MOST scummiest way of locking "fashion" behind the payment.

Guild Wars 2 had one-time use paint. And so did Team Fortress 2. And New World and many other games.
Somehow I NEVER heard people complain about this sh*t in other games but here in TFD it's a huge issue all of the sudden. How come?