The First Descendant

The First Descendant

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Kestrel Apr 15 @ 7:01am
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there was no promise (video)
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Hardmode Apr 15 @ 7:08am 
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Get people to spend 100+ hours farming reactors for their favorite descendant. Make that descendant clunky and feel bad to play....

Dude, there's more wrong here that just the devs being wishy washy with how they communicated.
Originally posted by Kestrel:
take a look....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmMi8gkiAaY
https://tfd.nexon.com/en/news/2606262 there is, its literally on their dev note
and i quote
" As we continue our live service for The First Descendant, we have no plan to respond by simply nerfing certain content, for any game play which collides with our intentions. We respect every content created by our players and will do our best to create a game that all players can enjoy together for a long time"


also here https://youtu.be/yBU8n2KDWbA?si=9FmavWfj0PJDxBkF&t=1911 (timestamped) their whole talk about freyna also mention their QnA on discord about character nerf. the point was "we will communicate with player and carefully decide what to do" yet somehow that didnt happen, cause if they did, we wouldnt have all this review bomb in the first place.

i personally just want good adjustment, not lazy nerf to make the char un appealing to play. sadly thats what happen with ines.
Last edited by Jundah 101; Apr 15 @ 8:20am
Originally posted by Jundah 101:
Originally posted by Kestrel:
take a look....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmMi8gkiAaY
https://tfd.nexon.com/en/news/2606262 there is, its literally on their dev note
and i quote
" As we continue our live service for The First Descendant, we have no plan to respond by simply nerfing certain content, for any game play which collides with our intentions. We respect every content created by our players and will do our best to create a game that all players can enjoy together for a long time"
no plan to nerf =/= never nerf
Last edited by Hybernian; Apr 15 @ 7:48am
Lamiosa Apr 15 @ 7:58am 
People get hyped about a character being OP and feel good with it. Then it gets nerfed to be normal again and they start review bombing. The devs never promised to not nerf descendants and it is common in any game to rebalance characters which got too powerful.

So it is just "oh no, I was so happy with my OP descendant and now it gets back to a level with the other characters, so I review bomb them now".
Originally posted by Lamiosa:
People get hyped about a character being OP and feel good with it. Then it gets nerfed to be normal again and they start review bombing. The devs never promised to not nerf descendants and it is common in any game to rebalance characters which got too powerful.

So it is just "oh no, I was so happy with my OP descendant and now it gets back to a level with the other characters, so I review bomb them now".
It didn't even got to the level of other characters, still being leagues above them.
And devs said they'll make everyone around Viessa's level and failed to deliver.
Jundah 101 Apr 15 @ 8:11am 
Originally posted by Lamiosa:
People get hyped about a character being OP and feel good with it. Then it gets nerfed to be normal again and they start review bombing. The devs never promised to not nerf descendants and it is common in any game to rebalance characters which got too powerful.

So it is just "oh no, I was so happy with my OP descendant and now it gets back to a level with the other characters, so I review bomb them now".
alot of people misinterpret player dissatisfaction to the nerf as "oh no~ my char got nerf reeee" which is honestly why this topic will never end.

here is the situation
1. dev prior to developing ines already knew that "infinite spread" type ability is problematic
source : https://youtu.be/yBU8n2KDWbA?si=9FmavWfj0PJDxBkF&t=1911 i even timestamp the link so you dont need to watch 1h devstream

2. ines adjustment DID NOT tune her infinite spread passive which is the most overtune part of her kit.

3. ines adjustment only makes her MORE ACTIVE skill feels terrible to use.

4. ines 2nd and 3rd is still TERRIBLE despite the changes. she is only used for her 1 and 4 and her passive carry the rest, now her 1 and 4 felt like trash while her passive stay the same.

5. THE NERF DOESNT FIX HER PROBLEM, its only adding more problem, and the reason less ines is played is not because she isnt strong but rather she feels like garbage to play. thats not a nerf thats killing a character. balance and adjustment loss on this one.

6. THEY INTRODUCE EVEN MORE BROKEN CHAR after they knew how powerful ines is after they knew how powerful contagion freyna is.


so all this adds up to the dev looking shady and slimy , they give new char busted power, let people buy and spend time with it, then kill them later to make room for the next one.
MadFiq Apr 15 @ 8:42am 
Since it's first released, there's not a single descendant that intentionally nerfed aside from bug fixed like kyle dmg stack, bunny damage that was higher than its skill description even when steam discussion was full of people demanding for it. Instead, they released even better descendant that out perform the previous one.

Even when rocket spamming gley suddenly became popular, they didn't nerf any of her kit or the rocket launcher. They just add an option to remove the explosion effect in option menu. They was happy to see how people play.

I guess the backlash was coming mostly from old players (what's left of it anyway and then some) that know how the game and devs treats players the way they used to.
Originally posted by Kestrel:
take a look....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmMi8gkiAaY

There might not of been a verbatim "promise" But it's always been their design philosophy. To create seasonal content to balance out usage, and meta.

They ain't even trying. They just waving the nerf bat around. They never had a season that did this. You can ignore all the inversion powers without effecting game play. You can also ignore all modifiers, without effecting gameplay. They all are just jokes.

Anything that had a "slight" challange, and made you switch up your meta. Was nerfed into the ground, by you guessed it. The same people.

This ain't game development. This is panic.

Heck you can do all of hardmode on any descendant, with out without an activator, and some modules not even upgraded fully. With crappy guns.
Last edited by B R O K E N; Apr 15 @ 9:59am
Kinetic Apr 15 @ 10:13am 
Originally posted by Kestrel:
take a look....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmMi8gkiAaY

Never was a promise, a "no nerf policy", none of it. All made up in the players heads and they'll continue, as we see here in the replies, to twist it however they can to fit their narrative. Not even a nerf. It's a rebalance patch and a damn good one.
Talk Dirty Apr 15 @ 10:41am 
it was just some allegations from the same people that where digging for this game something that is not there, something that they need to hate this game ( we can't find problem in this game to blame so we make one then when time comes and it will we use it ) smart mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ . 100% it's the DEI creatures.
Delphinus Apr 15 @ 11:16am 
Originally posted by Jundah 101:
Originally posted by Lamiosa:
People get hyped about a character being OP and feel good with it. Then it gets nerfed to be normal again and they start review bombing. The devs never promised to not nerf descendants and it is common in any game to rebalance characters which got too powerful.

So it is just "oh no, I was so happy with my OP descendant and now it gets back to a level with the other characters, so I review bomb them now".
alot of people misinterpret player dissatisfaction to the nerf as "oh no~ my char got nerf reeee" which is honestly why this topic will never end.

here is the situation
1. dev prior to developing ines already knew that "infinite spread" type ability is problematic
source : https://youtu.be/yBU8n2KDWbA?si=9FmavWfj0PJDxBkF&t=1911 i even timestamp the link so you dont need to watch 1h devstream

2. ines adjustment DID NOT tune her infinite spread passive which is the most overtune part of her kit.

3. ines adjustment only makes her MORE ACTIVE skill feels terrible to use.

4. ines 2nd and 3rd is still TERRIBLE despite the changes. she is only used for her 1 and 4 and her passive carry the rest, now her 1 and 4 felt like trash while her passive stay the same.

5. THE NERF DOESNT FIX HER PROBLEM, its only adding more problem, and the reason less ines is played is not because she isnt strong but rather she feels like garbage to play. thats not a nerf thats killing a character. balance and adjustment loss on this one.

6. THEY INTRODUCE EVEN MORE BROKEN CHAR after they knew how powerful ines is after they knew how powerful contagion freyna is.


so all this adds up to the dev looking shady and slimy , they give new char busted power, let people buy and spend time with it, then kill them later to make room for the next one.

It fix alright now no one wants too play Ines anymore so they fix it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT13kk8HDDo

Apparently Serena is next to be fix how much you want too bet that Blair is going too be broken as well and will get fix later on o.o You are acting like people are still playing Ines as much as they where before the nerf they ARE NOT >_> I dont see Ines anymore so stop acting like muh people are still playing a broken character when clearly no one is when she got nerf too the ground o.o
Last edited by Delphinus; Apr 15 @ 11:19am
Originally posted by Jundah 101:
Originally posted by Kestrel:
take a look....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmMi8gkiAaY
{LINK REMOVED} there is, its literally on their dev note
and i quote
" As we continue our live service for The First Descendant, we have no plan to respond by simply nerfing certain content, for any game play which collides with our intentions. We respect every content created by our players and will do our best to create a game that all players can enjoy together for a long time"
Keep reporting me to get my post removed and keep linking fake facts out of context. Just shows how after 2 weeks of yapping here you still can't find anything that proves devs "promised no nerfs".
HaloSign Apr 15 @ 1:16pm 
Originally posted by Hybernian:
Originally posted by Jundah 101:
https://tfd.nexon.com/en/news/2606262 there is, its literally on their dev note
and i quote
" As we continue our live service for The First Descendant, we have no plan to respond by simply nerfing certain content, for any game play which collides with our intentions. We respect every content created by our players and will do our best to create a game that all players can enjoy together for a long time"
no plan to nerf =/= never nerf

Hmm, this is a wrong conclusion.

Take a look what happened:
no plan to nerf -> nerf
This simply means: the nerf was done without plan!
ΛNCRON Apr 15 @ 3:05pm 
I kind of don't mind the nerf now or the whole "they promised not to do this and that" issue.

P.S.

Ines is still insane, the only difference you have to be smart with her 1st skill now and not just send it through walls. Still all skills spammable like crazy. However with her 2nd skill buffed, you basically nuke everything around you now instead.

But I agree, she felt clunky at first because her whole kit basically bypassed walls (to a degree). I have played a week so far and I got used to it, still clears rooms faster than anyone else. Still can spam 1st, 2nd, 3rd skill and by the time 4th skill ends one stack resets. And this is coming from Ines main, with max cooldown, crit no HP build. o/

Personally for me, 2nd skill now outweighs the 1st one not being able to go through obstacles. So in the end it feels like a buff more than a nerf. Doing even better in Purges too. :]
Kestrel Apr 15 @ 3:35pm 
thx mate, hopefuly otheres will realized that too :steamhappy:
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