Amorphous farming and opening sadness.

[Frostysir]

Hello!

So this is basically just me venting but, i recently tried farming for secret gardens nano tube via material 108, from the outpost in the southmost area of hagios while keeping an eye on how it went due to prior curiosity.

9 times to 1 amorphus
5 times to 1
5 - 1
8 - 1
7 - 7
(Got 1 every run in a row 7 times in a row. Secret pity system?)
2 - 1
4 - 1
2 - 1
11 - 1
4 - 1
2 - 0
Total runs : 58
Total fragments : 15
Stabilizers : 6. (had 2 from earlier so i had 8 in the end)

I was basically getting 1 material every 3.8 runs and somehow got 6 stabilizers so one could say i was lucky. It "only" took like 2 hours in total. Then i farmed the void fragment about 15 times for shards to use the reactor 15 times. Took about 30-40 minutes. I then later went to the reactor. And i got 8 parts for Nazeistra's Devotion, 4 lepic pieces, 2 catalysts and finally 1 ult viessa spiral.

Chances for the secret garden piece was 8 rolls with 16% each time and 7 with 10%. Got none. Every stabilizer yielded minimum rolls and it was the last desperate opening with nothing that gave the ult viessa piece. The probability of success, getting 1 piece, the first 8 times was 75%, and the later 6 had 52%, got none.

I am very sad ;_;

And i now wana note that i think this system is quite crap, it forces you to spend 50% of your time just waiting for respawns and then off to do sidequest (void fragment) so you then can proceed to drown in depression when it doesnt even yield anything you wanted.

It is a terrible process which completely shafts any immersion and enjoyment. You dont get to play the characters you want and you dont even get to play the game half the time and you also dont get anything for suffering through this process either like this. Player engagement and fun doesnt exist like this.

"Edit"

105 tries. It took 105 outpost clears to get about 30 patterns and 11 stabiliziers and i finally got.....1 part. I still need 1 more. RNGesus have mercy.

[ceil]

Stabilisers are rare enough they should just let us pick what we want from the AMPs tbh -.-

[Younguns 375]

ya secret garden nano tubes are insane

i ran 135, got 26am, 1 nano tubes, not to mention im completely out of void shards now.


a pity or trade system is needed bad. about to just drop the game. if only one was needed it would still suck but be manageable, but you need 5. fml

[Max]

I have funny story yesterday with stabilizer and mat but won't say it.

Just advice you to pick equipment with drop buff

[Frostysir]

Originally posted by Younguns 375:

ya secret garden nano tubes are insane

i ran 135, got 26am, 1 nano tubes, not to mention im completely out of void shards now.


a pity or trade system is needed bad. about to just drop the game. if only one was needed it would still suck but be manageable, but you need 5. fml

Yikes. 1 tube for 135 materials is ungoly terrible.

[Frostysir]

Originally posted by std::cout<<"Max : "<<lifeLn<<"y":

I have funny story yesterday with stabilizer and mat but won't say it.

Just advice you to pick equipment with drop buff

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I am fairly sure Amorphus materials are considered "quest reward drops" which are not affected by any outside modifiers. Droprate buffs only affect direct mob kills.

I think.

[Frostysir]

Originally posted by ceil:

Stabilisers are rare enough they should just let us pick what we want from the AMPs tbh -.-

Hardmode infiltration got like....was it 15 or 20% droprate at max rewards? So not that bad but.......i also think the ratio is off, too weak vs rarity of em still. Especially when needing 5 damn duplicates of every single weapon part.

[Delphinus]

I am going too have too farm the secret garden stuff too upgrade it and see if it is that hard as people claim o.O Enduring Legacy was the worst experience thus far for me <.<

[ceil]

Originally posted by Frostysir:

Hardmode infiltration got like....was it 15 or 20% droprate at max rewards? So not that bad but.......i also think the ratio is off, too weak vs rarity of em still. Especially when needing 5 damn duplicates of every single weapon part.

Stabilisers are shared across 11-17 AMPs each, and have a much lower drop rate than almost all of them. They are objectively scarce for what they're used for, and subjectively useless with the tiny 'boost' they purport to offer - which, in my experience, is nowhere near enough to make it worth target-farming them. I don't even track their drop rates right now, because they're utterly useless to me and I don't care when I get them.

I do use the ones I get, and do track that usage. Out of 37 stabilisers used, I got drops from these slots:
1: 3 (8.1%)
2: 3 (8.1%)
3: 7 (18.9%)
4: 13 (35.1%)
5: 11 (29.7%)

I'd probably be satisfied with something short of a guaranteed drop of one's selection from the AMP.... but in current state, they just suck all manner of anus.

[sajet1]

after four empty runs - restart game/back to hub and rerun

[Fake]

"If it wasn't for bad luck, I would have no luck at all"

Time to eat a bowl of lucky charms.

[Havok]

Yea, thats a mood. After running about 70-80 Ult Valby codes from outposts, I decided to run Hard Pyro for the extra 4% drop. Got it on my 6th kill.

[Osmond_NLG]

Originally posted by Frostysir:

Hello!

So this is basically just me venting but, i recently tried farming for secret gardens nano tube via material 108, from the outpost in the southmost area of hagios while keeping an eye on how it went due to prior curiosity.

9 times to 1 amorphus
5 times to 1
5 - 1
8 - 1
7 - 7
(Got 1 every run in a row 7 times in a row. Secret pity system?)
2 - 1
4 - 1
2 - 1
11 - 1
4 - 1
2 - 0
Total runs : 58
Total fragments : 15
Stabilizers : 6. (had 2 from earlier so i had 8 in the end)

I was basically getting 1 material every 3.8 runs and somehow got 6 stabilizers so one could say i was lucky. It "only" took like 2 hours in total. Then i farmed the void fragment about 15 times for shards to use the reactor 15 times. Took about 30-40 minutes. I then later went to the reactor. And i got 8 parts for Nazeistra's Devotion, 4 lepic pieces, 2 catalysts and finally 1 ult viessa spiral.

Chances for the secret garden piece was 8 rolls with 16% each time and 7 with 10%. Got none. Every stabilizer yielded minimum rolls and it was the last desperate opening with nothing that gave the ult viessa piece. The probability of success, getting 1 piece, the first 8 times was 75%, and the later 6 had 52%, got none.

I am very sad ;_;

And i now wana note that i think this system is quite crap, it forces you to spend 50% of your time just waiting for respawns and then off to do sidequest (void fragment) so you then can proceed to drown in depression when it doesnt even yield anything you wanted.

It is a terrible process which completely shafts any immersion and enjoyment. You dont get to play the characters you want and you dont even get to play the game half the time and you also dont get anything for suffering through this process either like this. Player engagement and fun doesnt exist like this.

There are videos in the ether that did the math of the drop rates so you won't have to spend hours on it. From the consensus and took over 400 items that drop from the amorph mat. It's working as intended. The item will drop for you, but you don't want to spend all day farming for it. Do it at least 3-7 times a day so it won't burn you out nor frustrate yourself.

[Frostysir]

Originally posted by Havok:

Yea, thats a mood. After running about 70-80 Ult Valby codes from outposts, I decided to run Hard Pyro for the extra 4% drop. Got it on my 6th kill.

This nano tube is outpost-locked T_T

[Frostysir]

Originally posted by Delphinus:

I am going too have too farm the secret garden stuff too upgrade it and see if it is that hard as people claim o.O Enduring Legacy was the worst experience thus far for me <.<

Enduring legacy has one piece in the 10% droprate zone, matching the secret garden piece making me suffer like so. But the difference is that the EL piece drops from a material that can be farm in hardmode infiltrations at a pace of 2x per run with 100% droprate. Takes between 5 to 10 minutes depending on how quick you are? Youtube has clip of bunny player + team team doing it in 5.

So in two hours, the time i needed to get 15 outpost pieces, you´d get 24 materials at worst(10 min) or 48 if managing 5 minute speedruns. Something in between otherwise. Plus tons of EXP, decent gold&kuiper + chance to get code breakers and you actually get to play the game.

+ stabliziers that have somewhere between 10 to 20% droprate when doing that too.

Secret garden tho, you got 25% chance per outpost run to get 1 material and 3.5% chance to get a stabilizer. You spend half the time AFK waiting for the outpost to respawn and your drops are RNG, And mathemathically with 2 minutes per run&respawn you are supposed to have 8 minutes per material. Thats 15 in two hours. 15 compared to the optimal infiltration giving someone 48 at best though probably more reasonably, around 30 to 40? Which is still double at least.

Its a big yikes all around.

[Delphinus]

Okay i just check yeah that nano tube for secret garden is 10 percent o.o However lucky me I got three of them already from farming other stuff >.>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHb5CFGYz1A

Plus since I already made one i just need one more o.O However i do need the rest of stuff though <.< But they do drop eventually though >.> I wouldnt give up however i will tell you too take a break and farm something else too throw the rng on your trail for secret garden O.o