Hailey gun

[Mister Sir]

I am a bit torn on which gun to actually use for her ult. I got all 3 options, piercing light, afterglow sword, and perforator.

What confuses me are different claims. I see some people claim that piercing light will result in more damage per shot for zenith and even seen vids that prove it. However then I also saw vids that claim that weapon damage does not affect skill damage and saw videos that prove it to. When I tried it, it looked like unmodded piercing light zenith did same damage as unmoded perforator zenith. So I am not sure if there something I am missing that makes piercing light do more damage with ult?

Then I also hear that mag size affix is extremely good because it gives extra shot, but some claim that anything as much as 9% extra mag affix will add extra shot while others claim that only perfect 12% gold roll will add extra shot.

Over all I guess I could just settle with perforator because it does have a mod that gives you 3 extra shots, even if it does less damage per shot (which idk if it does or not for sure), but I am also not certain if I should try and reroll it to get perfect 12% extra mag size or leave it on purple 10% that I got now,

[Crazy]

with 12% gold roll mag size you go from 7 to 8 rounds with 4 ability for piercing light

[Glebonator]

Originally posted by Crazy:

with 12% gold roll mag size you go from 7 to 8 rounds with 4 ability for piercing light

On any weapon not just piercing light. The mag size applies to Zenith when you activate it, doesn't matter what weapon you are holding.

And yes, most damage you can deal is with perforator. That's cause skill damage part is not affected by weapon damage, and perforator has highest base damage (that gets 50% boost from zenith) and critical dmg out of all green bullet weapons.
I use afterglow myself cause I had it fully crystalized before Hailey. Still can one cycle all solo bosses. In pugs the is an issue sometimes where you may not even pull off all the shots cause boss gets enraged. So, going full damage there without team coordination is meh.

[顔黒]

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

Then I also hear that mag size affix is extremely good because it gives extra shot, but some claim that anything as much as 9% extra mag affix will add extra shot while others claim that only perfect 12% gold roll will add extra shot.

That's what you get for watching a bunch of youtube videos in a row you get confused. The perfect 12% is for the snipers 9% is enough for Perforator since it has the Payout mod to rely on.

[Ice-Nine]

It is pretty likely that the new Frost Watcher (Scout Rifle) released on Oct 10 will be the best gun for Hailey.

But for now, Perforator > Piercing Light > Afterglow Sword

[Delphinus]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

It is pretty likely that the new Frost Watcher (Scout Rifle) released on Oct 10 will be the best gun for Hailey.

But for now, Perforator > Piercing Light > Afterglow Sword

I use Enduring Legacy and i get 6 shots o.o Perforator gives you 9 but I dont have it I am too lazy too get it >.>

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Delphinus:

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

It is pretty likely that the new Frost Watcher (Scout Rifle) released on Oct 10 will be the best gun for Hailey.

But for now, Perforator > Piercing Light > Afterglow Sword

I use Enduring Legacy and i get 6 shots o.o Perforator gives you 9 but I dont have it I am too lazy too get it >.>

I am assuming 9 shots with perforator you referring to are 6 from actual mag size +3 free shoots from payout?

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

Originally posted by Delphinus:

I use Enduring Legacy and i get 6 shots o.o Perforator gives you 9 but I dont have it I am too lazy too get it >.>

I am assuming 9 shots with perforator you referring to are 6 from actual mag size +3 free shoots from payout?

Perforator gives you up to 8+3 = 11 shots

[KitKat]

Piercing light VS Afterglow sword.
- The two are pretty similar and the difference in performance is miniscule;

- Piercing light wins in damage when hitting exclusively weak-points for sure, but punishes you hard for not doing so. Simply because PL has higher weak-point damage, but lower crit-damage. Yet combined weak-point+crit do yield better results for sure;

- Afterglow sword is more tolerant towrads poor aim (or enemies just wiggling around like crazy lol) and even non-weak point critical hits deal a lot of damage - exactly because of high crit damage compared to PL. Simply because AS has a higher crit damage, but lower weak-point damage. Yes, it will deal slightly less damage than PL overall, but as I said above - the difference is minimal and PL's damage is simply overkill in most scenarios anyway. AS's damage is more than enough in most cases and it doesn't punish you hard for missing/enemies for wiggling around, which makes you miss - due to non-weakpoint crit shots with AS still dealing more than non-weakpoint crits than with PL;

- Here's the math done comparing both:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xwwOqeSKz94_9urRXy04pAVDVMr4uPwqgTLDQxnGc1s/edit?gid=0#gid=0

- Yes, getting a perfect 12% roll on mag size + both mag-size mods will yield you 8 shots. On both PL and AS.

- Using any other gun aside from PL/AS at the moment is youtuber bait. Don't.

In the end... Just get both PL and AS, you'll still need mastery from both anyway. And use/invest in the one you like the most. Although, if you do intend to use snipers outside of Hailey's 4th buffing - AS wins over PL ever so slightly, thanks to that Ult effect. But that's it.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by KitKat:

- Using any other gun aside from PL/AS at the moment is youtuber bait. Don't.

Incorrect. Perforator is definitively the best gun at the moment due to Payout mod for Impact Rounds weapons. Lower damage per shot compared to PL/AS, but more shots so more total Zenith damage.

That being said, PL/AS will still kill the solo bosses quicker because you don't need those extra shots. The extra shots from Perforator really only start helping you in Swamp Walker and beyond.

EDIT: Perforator also has the added bonus of requiring far less investment to get started vs PL/AS. You don't need to fully catalyst the gun in order to outperform the others.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by KitKat:

- Using any other gun aside from PL/AS at the moment is youtuber bait. Don't.

Incorrect. Perforator is definitively the best gun at the moment due to Payout mod for Impact Rounds weapons. Lower damage per shot compared to PL/AS, but more shots so more total Zenith damage.

That being said, PL/AS will still kill the solo bosses quicker because you don't need those extra shots. The extra shots from Perforator really only start helping you in Swamp Walker and beyond.

Although... PL/AS with 12% mag size rolls are still more than enough on solo Swamp Walker too :) Just saying, not arguing against your point here.

I just feel like too many shots is simply overkill, not even in group boss kills - you won't have enough time to fire off all those extra shots most of the time. Boss moves behind cover, ads push you out of 4th and deactivate it, boss goes into rage mode so you have to toggle it off... You get what I mean. You don't need that "extra combined damage from more shots", really - rather fire off less shots, but with higher damage per shot.

It feels the same as all those youtuber bait crit-focused Bunny builds, with pointless overkill damage that goes nowhere, because enemies die either way even without crits. It's all just for "pretty numbers" and silly math, overkill. All while having zero survivability. Same vibe here with Perforator, tbh.

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by KitKat:

It feels the same as all those youtuber bait crit-focused Bunny builds, with pointless overkill damage that goes nowhere, because enemies die either way even without crits. It's all just for "pretty numbers" and silly math, overkill. All while having zero survivability. Same vibe here with Perforator, tbh.

You can't talk about "overkill" stats and recommend survivability mods at the same time. Makes no sense. Any more than 1 HP mod is overkill for survivability (outside of very specific builds for Void Intercept bosses).

Running 3+ crit mods on Bunny is still faster than not, because it reduces the time it takes you to kill the boss at the end of an infiltration. Yes, the crit damage is overkill for regular mobs during the run, but it helps at the end.

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by KitKat:

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Incorrect. Perforator is definitively the best gun at the moment due to Payout mod for Impact Rounds weapons. Lower damage per shot compared to PL/AS, but more shots so more total Zenith damage.

That being said, PL/AS will still kill the solo bosses quicker because you don't need those extra shots. The extra shots from Perforator really only start helping you in Swamp Walker and beyond.

Although... PL/AS with 12% mag size rolls are still more than enough on solo Swamp Walker too :) Just saying, not arguing against your point here.

I just feel like too many shots is simply overkill, not even in group boss kills - you won't have enough time to fire off all those extra shots most of the time. Boss moves behind cover, ads push you out of 4th and deactivate it, boss goes into rage mode so you have to toggle it off... You get what I mean. You don't need that "extra combined damage from more shots", really - rather fire off less shots, but with higher damage per shot.

It feels the same as all those youtuber bait crit-focused Bunny builds, with pointless overkill damage that goes nowhere, because enemies die either way even without crits. It's all just for "pretty numbers" and silly math, overkill. All while having zero survivability. Same vibe here with Perforator, tbh.

The question that I have is for the damage itself. I recall testing both pl and perforator and both did same damage with zenith, body and head shots. So does pl really does more dmg per shot with zenith or not? Cause again, I heard both yes and no to this question,

[Ice-Nine]

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

The question that I have is for the damage itself. I recall testing both pl and perforator and both did same damage with zenith, body and head shots. So does pl really does more dmg per shot with zenith or not? Cause again, I heard both yes and no to this question,

Zenith is a combination of Skill Damage and Weapon Damage, but the Skill Damage is a much, much bigger portion.

So fully built, a PL will do more damage per shot, but not by a whole lot.

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

The question that I have is for the damage itself. I recall testing both pl and perforator and both did same damage with zenith, body and head shots. So does pl really does more dmg per shot with zenith or not? Cause again, I heard both yes and no to this question,

Zenith is a combination of Skill Damage and Weapon Damage, but the Skill Damage is a much, much bigger portion.

So fully built, a PL will do more damage per shot, but not by a whole lot.

Huh, ok then, cause neither of my pl, afterglow, or perforator are catalized or anything at all since I basically only use them for certain skills and for normal firearm dmg I just use enduring legacy.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by Ice-Nine:

Originally posted by KitKat:

It feels the same as all those youtuber bait crit-focused Bunny builds, with pointless overkill damage that goes nowhere, because enemies die either way even without crits. It's all just for "pretty numbers" and silly math, overkill. All while having zero survivability. Same vibe here with Perforator, tbh.

You can't talk about "overkill" stats and recommend survivability mods at the same time. Makes no sense. Any more than 1 HP mod is overkill for survivability (outside of very specific builds for Void Intercept bosses).

Running 3+ crit mods on Bunny is still faster than not, because it reduces the time it takes you to kill the boss at the end of an infiltration. Yes, the crit damage is overkill for regular mobs during the run, but it helps at the end.

I see you’re one of those bunnies who loves sniffing the ground then, eh? ;)

Bosses at the end of infiltration can be killed with weapons. Shocker, I know! While non-crit abilities are enough to deal with the ads.