Drop Rates

[Memester]

Okay I spent almost a day farming Hagios for the Truly Deadly Cuisine red mod and never got it.
Almost 30 runs of "old mystery' on hard and 25 on normal
Ran through hagios on normal completing every mission and on hard never once getting this one red mod or any red mod to do with blair.
Not only that but i got red mods for different descendants on the old mystery mission OVER THE SPECIFIED MISSION RED MOD.
Overall if i can spend a day farming for one specific item and never get it do you think its worth my time to play this game any longer?
For anyone wanting to know if drop rates are fixed....no no they arent. They are either rigged or set too low to increase playtime through making you farm, genuinely do not waste your time on this game, its not that its not fun, but its built to waste your time through farming on impossible odds.

[RubyCante]

if only there is trading system, people can swap their lucky and unlucky drop

[Charlemagne]

Originally posted by Memester:

Okay I spent almost a day farming Hagios for the Truly Deadly Cuisine red mod and never got it.
Almost 30 runs of "old mystery' on hard and 25 on normal
Ran through hagios on normal completing every mission and on hard never once getting this one red mod or any red mod to do with blair.
Not only that but i got red mods for different descendants on the old mystery mission OVER THE SPECIFIED MISSION RED MOD.
Overall if i can spend a day farming for one specific item and never get it do you think its worth my time to play this game any longer?
For anyone wanting to know if drop rates are fixed....no no they arent. They are either rigged or set too low to increase playtime through making you farm, genuinely do not waste your time on this game, its not that its not fun, but its built to waste your time through farming on impossible odds.

A day...lol, 30 runs...lol.

[SomeMMORPGplayer]

Originally posted by Memester:

Okay I spent almost a day farming Hagios for the Truly Deadly Cuisine red mod and never got it.
Almost 30 runs of "old mystery' on hard and 25 on normal
Ran through hagios on normal completing every mission and on hard never once getting this one red mod or any red mod to do with blair.
Not only that but i got red mods for different descendants on the old mystery mission OVER THE SPECIFIED MISSION RED MOD.
Overall if i can spend a day farming for one specific item and never get it do you think its worth my time to play this game any longer?
For anyone wanting to know if drop rates are fixed....no no they arent. They are either rigged or set too low to increase playtime through making you farm, genuinely do not waste your time on this game, its not that its not fun, but its built to waste your time through farming on impossible odds.

whats the drop rate? also keep in mind that because there is a drop rate that is does not equals to : because its X of chanes to drop that in X amount of runs i will have it. it means that every timeyou run it theres X% chances of that specific item dropping

[Crawl]

I have no reason to believe the rates are rigged, rng is just rng. I was farming drops for copies of unique weapons, yesterday it took me like 15 tries to get the blueprint. Today it dropped the first try. Sometimes you are just unlucky.

[SomeMMORPGplayer]

Originally posted by RubyCante:

if only there is trading system, people can swap their lucky and unlucky drop

trading system in a pay to win means gold selling and in game currency selling. bitter irony.

[Mercwar]

yeah watching a few of my friends get Freyna's catalyst 2 or 3 times in a row and me doing 10x/15x that and never getting it. I also experienced getting a different mod than the one listed. Farming for 2 days for the Grappling hook module and finally I get a gold but its not the reward one listed in the mission details. I understand its a "looter/shooter" but where the hell is the balance. It's too easy to get the first 2 items but then the third never pops up....It also seems I am locked out of White-Night Gulch yet thats the next place to go and there's no explanation of why. I am going to assume because I have not defeated The Devourer yet, but with no indication what to do, seems a pattern for this game. This is a farming grind on top of a farming grind, stuffed inside a farming grind. This game is neat but is quickly becoming more boring.

[Boink]

I get a lot of Ultimates from Regular Elites Kuiper Farms

[EmperorVolo]

Like I get people are bad at math but you realize you would have to do this 182 times for around a 99% chance to see it.

BRO you are NO where near that amount....it's a 2.5% drop.

https://www.gigacalculator.com/calculators/binomial-probability-calculator.php

Put in probability 0.025 for 2.5% drop chance. Then put in the amount of times you ran it for number of trials. Success how many times you've received it: 0.

Probability of X > 0 events this is the % chance of seeing the mod in those given runs.

[Rogue]

Luck. I got it without even trying or knowing that I got it...

[thorin.hannahs]

I don't think the game is for you sir. I'll guess that drop rate is at 1% to 2% so 30 runs is nothing to try and get that mod. I target farmed a 1.5% drop mod for Ajax it took about 5-7 tries, I was very lucky.

The game is a farming game with guns.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by thorin.hannahs:

I don't think the game is for you sir. I'll guess that drop rate is at 1% to 2% so 30 runs is nothing to try and get that mod. I target farmed a 1.5% drop mod for Ajax it took about 5-7 tries, I was very lucky.

The game is a farming game with guns.

Gasp, it's a looter.... shooter...

[ғʟᴏᴡzᴇɴ ♰]

So i collected some Date and here is some Date for you!
The Report presents the analysis of the drop rates for different items in the game, specifically Syncytium Thundercage, Nanotube Thundercage, Synthetic fiber Thundercage, and Blueprint Thundercage. The goal is to verify if the observed drop rates are consistent with the expected drop rate of 20% using a chi-square test.

Data
The following data was collected for the number of runs required to obtain drops:

Syncytium Thundercage Runs: 11, 1, 7, 5, 5, 7, 1, 3, 5
Nanotube Thundercage Runs: 3, 2, 3, 5, 3, 3, 1, 5, 16
Synthetic fiber Thundercage Runs: 3, 2, 11, 10, 5, 18, 12, 3, 12
Blueprint Thundercage Runs: 3, 8, 1, 4, 3, 5, 8, 3
Observed Frequencies
The observed frequencies of run counts are:

1: 4
2: 2
3: 9
4: 1
5: 6
7: 2
8: 2
10: 1
11: 2
12: 2
16: 1
18: 1

Expected Frequencies
Assuming a 20% drop rate, the total number of observed frequencies is 37. Given the total drops and the number of unique run counts (12), the expected frequency for each category is approximately 0.6167.

Chi-Square Calculation
Using the observed and expected frequencies, the chi-square statistic is calculated as follows:

χ² = Σ((O_i - E_i)² / E_i)
Where O_i and E_i are the observed and expected frequencies for each category.
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are the observed and expected frequencies for each category.

The calculated chi-square statistic is approximately 8.43, and the p-value is approximately 0.4852.

Conclusion
The chi-square statistic is approximately 8.43, and the p-value is approximately 0.4852. This indicates that the data shows some deviation from the expected distribution, but not enough to conclude that the distribution is significantly different from the expected 20% drop rate at the common significance levels (e.g., 0.05).

This analysis supports the claim that the drop rates are fair and not significantly different from the expected distribution based on the observed data.

PS.
If you woulndt cry and grind 2 times more before making a Post you would get your Item.

[TracKeR]

Originally posted by Charlemagne:

Originally posted by Memester:

Okay I spent almost a day farming Hagios for the Truly Deadly Cuisine red mod and never got it.
Almost 30 runs of "old mystery' on hard and 25 on normal
Ran through hagios on normal completing every mission and on hard never once getting this one red mod or any red mod to do with blair.
Not only that but i got red mods for different descendants on the old mystery mission OVER THE SPECIFIED MISSION RED MOD.
Overall if i can spend a day farming for one specific item and never get it do you think its worth my time to play this game any longer?
For anyone wanting to know if drop rates are fixed....no no they arent. They are either rigged or set too low to increase playtime through making you farm, genuinely do not waste your time on this game, its not that its not fun, but its built to waste your time through farming on impossible odds.

A day...lol, 30 runs...lol.

Remember that there are missions with a 5min cooldown and the other dungeons last longer. He didn't specify which one it is but most last a long time.

[thorin.hannahs]

Originally posted by TracKeR:

Originally posted by Charlemagne:

A day...lol, 30 runs...lol.

Remember that there are missions with a 5min cooldown and the other dungeons last longer. He didn't specify which one it is but most last a long time.

The five minute cool down for outposts can be reset. I think that is the only cool down I've seen so far for missions.

[Phares]

I mean at the end of the day it's kinda hard to verify if the drop rates are what they say they are without verified statistics of actual drops across the playerbase.

What we CAN verify is if we had a bad luck protection system or pity system, it wouldn't matter how terrible or broken the RNG is, because grinding would at least be capped.