Resistance is a trap, do not waste your kuiper

[paxtheconfused]

I'm tired of telling people this over and over in individual comments, so here it is.


RESISTANCE IS A TRAP, they are useful early game, but after dead bride, effectively WORTHLESS.

Resistance is a flat damage reduction to elemental damage
2000 is about -5 to damage
4000 is about -9 to damage
8000 is about -13 to damage
16000 is about -16 to damage

Do the math yourself in the laboratory

though there is a guy who has a REALLY solid video breakdown of DEF numbers, even though he doesn't mention the incoming DMG modifier stat, and i have yet to work the numbers or test them.
In case you care to see his video, I'll link it, but don't feel you have to go to his channel, you can also find this info out by asking around in the discords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9icoHau-Uxc&t=357s

[Chibi Stylez]

Resistance is a trap
Shield is a trap in hard mode
Defense over 20k is a trap
15k minimum and your good to go!
The best defense module is acutally "Autoimmunity"
best survivability is HP all the way!

[vishuspuss]

wonder how long it will take for players to realize defense is a trap too.

unless youre playing ajax ofc

[spyke2009]

Quick notes on shield because while it's bad, there are caveats to that and it isn't as TERRIBLE as people like to think in every sense.

Shield and it's scaling on mods, IS horrible compared to HP. Raw numbers just simply suck.

Using a +def% mod while rocking a set that has no innate defence like for example frozen heart, without +def rolls on the gear. Is completely pointless as there's nothing there to amp on your gear. In THAT instance, you'll get much more out of +shield% mods.

Kyle, scales off shield in terms of his magnetic force max and such. Mostly, he's NOT taking incoming damage to his shield though if you're playing him correctly and his clunk isn't getting you killed. So if THAT is what people are worried about, then don't. A lot of the time, it's going to his magnetic force instead via his 3. When it isn't it's usually because you're dropping his 3 to LET his shields get broken. To proc his passive and get a huge boost to his magnetic force and regen those shields back rapidly anyways.

Yujin, scales quite well with shield and improves the value of his teams shields. Because of his healing and regens to himself and squad. Shields are basically just what his overheals go into and are afaic, pseudo brucey bonus hp.

Also, to reiterate what I and a lot of people are saying, from experience in endgame to varying degrees:

Unupgraded immunity mod removes SO much of the damage of collosi elemental damage via dots, that it is immediately noticeable. All for the low cost of six capacity. That and ONE gold roll res is more than enough unless you're running into the patches and facetanking the bosses bursts. Even being immune to freeze, will stop you getting stunlocked and barraged by frostwalker etc.

-incoming damage taken mods, are massively underrated and overlooked by people. If you're at around 30-35k defence and slap one of THOSE on. You may as well think of it like you're immediatley rocking roughly double that in terms of defence.

[vishuspuss]

viessa is good with shields too. while not as powerful as say kyle with em, she has a higher base.

also her C brings back 10% immediately and starts shield regen during combat (if you have that equip on)

a lot of people dont realize if you look at a descendants profile it has how to build em right there basically. like viessa has prolly the lowest base defense, yet everyone says "build 20k defense"

people STILL using silly mods, like sword and shield whatever that trash module is called "look it gives 98% def and 8% power" (hope i got the trash numbers right lol).

hopefully in the coming weeks more people will experiment with their own builds vs watching some YT vid and say "oh he says i need 20k defense so it must be true".

mobility > HP > def

all the streamers were 100% wrong in their builds the first couple weeks "build resistance" now its "you need 15k defense" (or whatever trash number they got people believing now). yet people STILL listen to streamers instead of experimenting with their own builds

[Joikax]

Think of shields as a way to prevent health damage in cases where you don't want to use HP Collector or relly on health pickups. (Sharen outpost farming comes to mind, Reactor farming aswell due to lack of adds to refill hp)

I don't think they're meant to be better than defense or hp in terms of effective HP.

[76561197988918266]

Origineel geplaatst door Joikax:

Think of shields as a way to prevent health damage in cases where you don't want to use HP Collector or relly on health pickups. (Sharen outpost farming comes to mind, Reactor farming aswell due to lack of adds to refill hp)

I don't think they're meant to be better than defense or hp in terms of effective HP.

sharen has no use for shield either; ult the mobs while invis will kill most of them and get health drops.

[76561197988918266]

Origineel geplaatst door vishuspuss:

viessa is good with shields too. while not as powerful as say kyle with em, she has a higher base.

also her C brings back 10% immediately and starts shield regen during combat (if you have that equip on)

a lot of people dont realize if you look at a descendants profile it has how to build em right there basically. like viessa has prolly the lowest base defense, yet everyone says "build 20k defense"

people STILL using silly mods, like sword and shield whatever that trash module is called "look it gives 98% def and 8% power" (hope i got the trash numbers right lol).

hopefully in the coming weeks more people will experiment with their own builds vs watching some YT vid and say "oh he says i need 20k defense so it must be true".

mobility > HP > def

all the streamers were 100% wrong in their builds the first couple weeks "build resistance" now its "you need 15k defense" (or whatever trash number they got people believing now). yet people STILL listen to streamers instead of experimenting with their own builds

the base values do not matter as much as external components.

8% power is a nice 0level filler, and it's very good when you realize how it works(generic skill power % increase is a separate multiplier from element specific skill power increase).

[vishuspuss]

Origineel geplaatst door BOKU Haram | Boki Harem:

Origineel geplaatst door vishuspuss:

viessa is good with shields too. while not as powerful as say kyle with em, she has a higher base.

also her C brings back 10% immediately and starts shield regen during combat (if you have that equip on)

a lot of people dont realize if you look at a descendants profile it has how to build em right there basically. like viessa has prolly the lowest base defense, yet everyone says "build 20k defense"

people STILL using silly mods, like sword and shield whatever that trash module is called "look it gives 98% def and 8% power" (hope i got the trash numbers right lol).

hopefully in the coming weeks more people will experiment with their own builds vs watching some YT vid and say "oh he says i need 20k defense so it must be true".

mobility > HP > def

all the streamers were 100% wrong in their builds the first couple weeks "build resistance" now its "you need 15k defense" (or whatever trash number they got people believing now). yet people STILL listen to streamers instead of experimenting with their own builds

the base values do not matter as much as external components.

8% power is a nice 0level filler, and it's very good when you realize how it works(generic skill power % increase is a separate multiplier from element specific skill power increase).

and HP > def yet people still put on def components. why? i have no clue

[Joikax]

Origineel geplaatst door BOKU Haram | Boki Harem:

Origineel geplaatst door Joikax:

Think of shields as a way to prevent health damage in cases where you don't want to use HP Collector or relly on health pickups. (Sharen outpost farming comes to mind, Reactor farming aswell due to lack of adds to refill hp)

I don't think they're meant to be better than defense or hp in terms of effective HP.

sharen has no use for shield either; ult the mobs while invis will kill most of them and get health drops.

Different builds for different people/cases; Doesn't mean it has no use.

For anyone that is not heavily investing in Sharen with catalysts and energy activator just to oneshot a bunch of trash then shield mods are great bang for buck cost-wise, alongside Shot Focus.

[Celkat]

Origineel geplaatst door paxtheconfused:

Origineel geplaatst door DJ Deckard Cain:

I can safely say that resists aren't worthless.. but hey, you're probably that guy I'm constantly having to pick up in boss fights.

how do you pick me up when i play solo or in premades exclusively? Maybe actually learn the systems, buddy, and do a bit of testing, exponential decay is a really difficult concept for many people. They have a built in training ground so you can get better, though, maybe you might learn something.

this dude is seething hard lmao

[mykidsnamedme]

Origineel geplaatst door paxtheconfused:

Origineel geplaatst door DJ Deckard Cain:

I can safely say that resists aren't worthless.. but hey, you're probably that guy I'm constantly having to pick up in boss fights.

how do you pick me up when i play solo or in premades exclusively? Maybe actually learn the systems, buddy, and do a bit of testing, exponential decay is a really difficult concept for many people. They have a built in training ground so you can get better, though, maybe you might learn something.

He needs to get better but your math is wayyyyyyyy off lol.

[mykidsnamedme]

Origineel geplaatst door vishuspuss:

Origineel geplaatst door BOKU Haram | Boki Harem:

the base values do not matter as much as external components.

8% power is a nice 0level filler, and it's very good when you realize how it works(generic skill power % increase is a separate multiplier from element specific skill power increase).

and HP > def yet people still put on def components. why? i have no clue

[76561197988918266]

Origineel geplaatst door vishuspuss:

Origineel geplaatst door BOKU Haram | Boki Harem:

the base values do not matter as much as external components.

8% power is a nice 0level filler, and it's very good when you realize how it works(generic skill power % increase is a separate multiplier from element specific skill power increase).

and HP > def yet people still put on def components. why? i have no clue

some set pieces can only roll DEF and there's nothing better than DEF on the other stats.

some slots on generic parts have lower hp rolls(below 646 iirc)...etc.

for example annihilation set for gley(so anything mp and shield is useless; aux power will be DEF with hp+dbno or something).

[76561197988918266]

Origineel geplaatst door Joikax:

Origineel geplaatst door BOKU Haram | Boki Harem:

sharen has no use for shield either; ult the mobs while invis will kill most of them and get health drops.

Different builds for different people/cases; Doesn't mean it has no use.

For anyone that is not heavily investing in Sharen with catalysts and energy activator just to oneshot a bunch of trash then shield mods are great bang for buck cost-wise, alongside Shot Focus.

nah

overcharged edge actually gives the full dmg buff with only 1 shield(overwhelming hp), it scales off % of shield used rather than raw value. You can put 5 or so levels in both and use sharen with around 2 catalysts, no activator required. Whether you use the ult to one shot mobs or cloak + sr to one phase devourer, shields are almost entirely irrelevant(outside making sure you have that 1 point when you press C). If your luck is just that bad even with hp drops, there is hp collector. One level is sufficient (clock, ult, cloak again; stacked cooldown means ult and passive are off cd when cloak is still up, rinse/repeat).

if you ever feel like you *need* to stack shield on sharen, you're trying too hard to find uses for garbage parts.

Just go farm up enzo...(he's not the only one but iirc he's the easiest one to get)

[paxtheconfused]

Origineel geplaatst door mykidsnamedme:

Origineel geplaatst door paxtheconfused:

how do you pick me up when i play solo or in premades exclusively? Maybe actually learn the systems, buddy, and do a bit of testing, exponential decay is a really difficult concept for many people. They have a built in training ground so you can get better, though, maybe you might learn something.

He needs to get better but your math is wayyyyyyyy off lol.

Yeah the numbers i posted were normal mode pyromanic reductions, Resistances do slightly more damage reduction in Hardmode bossing, however point still stands the antibody mods are a trap. Get the elemental status immunity mod, and a gold roll on the respective component and your resistances should be fine without spending 15 mod points to reduce damage by a relatively low amount.
Aux-fire resist
Sensor-Chill resist
Memory-electric resist
Processor-Electric resist
Gold rolls should be around 4k, and more than enough to reduce damage from things like hard mode pyro fire damage, and the immunity to the DOT will remove about 70-80% of the elemental damage he can inflict.