The Balance in this game is miles off the mark.

[RenXD]

I'm an ex dev with about 11 dev cycles under my belt with 9 titles released. I took a break from this industry because I was tired of studio politics.

Anyways this may sound a bit rant but I think it has merit having 200+ hours in TFD. I also understand people will disagree and pull out some edge case that I can't cover because who wants to read.
I'm aware of the stuff people are doing in this game. This is my general take away with some of the imbalance.

I want to say Characters like Bunny disgustingly out class a lot of other options in terms of Descendants.

I notice her graphics for her AOE is on the ground. Surprising enough you can AOE anything in the air as well. She takes her AOE any where and is by far the strongest AOE in the game. Combine it with MP collection you are endlessly passively destroying everything with no real skill.
This game also has tons of mob spawn lockers which works in favor of a class that can take its AOE with it.
To me this is a problem because it takes other characters off the table as competitive options.

Then when you compare her to Valby another dps class her DoT's aren't that useful as everything is being killed instantly by bunny's. She has almost no mid air skill like bunny has on demand and her MP cost is ridiculous. Her skill could help destroy immunity balls but for some reason dev's are short sighted.

I hear things like Bunny is just a mob clearer... Well you'll find later in hard mode colossus that bunny's are still very useful for mechanics simple because of how broken her aoe and movement is.

The other thing is I do not understand this games "rare" items. In hard mode they drop so often they do not feel "rare" nor "ultimate". These kinda items are plagued with massive trade offs that once factored completely destroys the idea of an "ultimate".

For example why do ultimate reactors require a specific weapon when the idea is the encourage multi weapon game play. The purple reactors operate like the game is expected to play.
Next you got rare modules. You will have blue modules that provide sometimes more stat then its purple equivalent but at a massive detrimental trade off. The idea of rarity being built on the fact you can stack it with its blue counter part is disappointingly shallow.

I do not understand why the dev's are to stingy with high powered rounds. Starting you with 10 in a colossus fight? The resource bot at outposts provides none?

I'm also pretty sick of grinding an amorphous material at criminally off % drops just to fight another monster or colossus to have a shot at another % drop. If you combine these %'s you'll realize how much time these dev's are wasting of your life.

The last thing is what is wrong with this games FPS hangs. Multiple friends and my self have noticed these double freeze hangs every few minutes. It's aweful and even more intollerable mid fight.

[Ghost | Severage]

Originally posted by StormSpiritGB:

The people calling these post a joke are most likely people that play Bunny 24/7 so they don't see any sort of problem.

It's the other way around. People making these posts cry about problems that don't exist. I don't main Bunny and still think she doesn't need changes. Her sole purpose is to clear mobs fast, which she does, while being quite squishy compared to other descendants.

[Hez]

Originally posted by StormSpiritGB:

The people calling these post a joke are most likely people that play Bunny 24/7 so they don't see any sort of problem.

it's a pve game, and we have farmers like bunny, and boss killers in 1-5 secs like gley and lepic. Actually, you guys are the **problem**. Always whining and always dissatisfied. There isn't a single game you're satisfied with. You don't know how to enjoy the game, and you're always trying to ruin it for the rest of us. I don't care who I run with, Bunny or anyone else. Unlike you, I just enjoy the game.

[Claude Van Dong]

There's nothing to talk about. There's no list of games OP presumably worked on and no proof that he did. And this is necessary because premise for the discussion clearly and heavily implied that his opinion have and should have a higher value. Personally i can't say that info and opinions he provided in this topic in any way suggest or confirm that. Imo for the most part it's yet another little ♥♥♥♥♥ with anime girl profile pic whining about other ppl occasionally having fun around him. Being a dev also doesn't mean anything good to me anymore, i've seen number of devs engaging in all manners of public discourse in recent months and out of all of them i can recall one person who looked like a human being.

[RenXD]

Originally posted by kintsugi:

There's nothing to talk about. There's no list of games OP presumably worked on and no proof that he did. And this is necessary because premise for the discussion clearly and heavily implied that his opinion have and should have a higher value. Personally i can't say that info and opinions he provided in this topic in any way suggest or confirm that. Imo for the most part it's yet another little ♥♥♥♥♥ with anime girl profile pic whining about other ppl occasionally having fun around him. Being a dev also doesn't mean anything good to me anymore, i've seen number of devs engaging in all manners of public discourse in recent months and out of all of them i can recall one person who looked like a human being.

Pretty sure I mentioned what I do because I get paid to make things similar to these topics. lol. Had an opinion to share and as expected immediately attacked specifically on what I do and my opinion on the state of Bunny. Pretty much what people do on the internet lol.
The difference between me and some Bethesda cry baby is I expect people to be asshats automatically.

[☆ オワリ ★]

I will just say this to everyone who want bunny to be nerf. The character intent to hlep you with easier and quick farm, if you nerf her, your grinding gonna be much worst. You need to know what it's purpose for which content. It's your choice not to play bunny and play other characters, the best solution should be "How can they improve other characters"

[Ghost | Severage]

Originally posted by RenXD:

Originally posted by kintsugi:

There's nothing to talk about. There's no list of games OP presumably worked on and no proof that he did. And this is necessary because premise for the discussion clearly and heavily implied that his opinion have and should have a higher value. Personally i can't say that info and opinions he provided in this topic in any way suggest or confirm that. Imo for the most part it's yet another little ♥♥♥♥♥ with anime girl profile pic whining about other ppl occasionally having fun around him. Being a dev also doesn't mean anything good to me anymore, i've seen number of devs engaging in all manners of public discourse in recent months and out of all of them i can recall one person who looked like a human being.

Pretty sure I mentioned what I do because I get paid to make things similar to these topics. lol. Had an opinion to share and as expected immediately attacked specifically on what I do and my opinion on the state of Bunny. Pretty much what people do on the internet lol.
The difference between me and some Bethesda cry baby is I expect people to be asshats automatically.

No one attacked you. You just claimed that your opinion is right and dismissed everything else that was and is against your opinion because "you're a dev and know how things work". Your statements made you look arrogant and like an asshat. And then you started to double down on it and ♥♥♥♥♥ about it, claiming even more nonsense while proofing absolutely nothing and dismissing obvious facts and statistics.

And then people started to call you out.

[Claude Van Dong]

Originally posted by RenXD:

Pretty sure I mentioned what I do because I get paid to make things similar to these topics. lol. Had an opinion to share and as expected immediately attacked specifically on what I do and my opinion on the state of Bunny. Pretty much what people do on the internet lol.
The difference between me and some Bethesda cry baby is I expect people to be asshats automatically.

If you were srs and genuine about this topic you would've provided list of games you worked on, instead of flexing at audience with your regalia. Concerning asshats, you are right to expect ppl to throw ♥♥♥♥ back at you.

For what it's worth, i agree with your remarks about amorphous mats and hang ups. There's a topic somewhere on these forums where OP says that it's due to a thread sync for animation consistency, and that it explains why those freezes happen only in public lobbies.

[RenXD]

Originally posted by ☆ オワリ ★:

I will just say this to everyone who want bunny to be nerf. The character intent to hlep you with easier and quick farm, if you nerf her, your grinding gonna be much worst. You need to know what it's purpose for which content. It's your choice not to play bunny and play other characters, the best solution should be "How can they improve other characters"

The idea is make most Descendants pretty viable options. Other then the Valby run because of the strict nature of the respawn mechanic Bunny is not only good at farming. But good at over 80% of all the games content.
The other problem I'm noticing is the advertised game play lets say Valby being water AOE DoT girl. Developing into stand in water buff and turning into weapon crit girl using the red supply moisture. People that wana play her suddenly find them selves with pressure to play the Decendant quite differently then originally expected.

[RenXD]

Originally posted by Ghost | Severage:

Originally posted by RenXD:

Pretty sure I mentioned what I do because I get paid to make things similar to these topics. lol. Had an opinion to share and as expected immediately attacked specifically on what I do and my opinion on the state of Bunny. Pretty much what people do on the internet lol.
The difference between me and some Bethesda cry baby is I expect people to be asshats automatically.

No one attacked you. You just claimed that your opinion is right and dismissed everything else that was and is against your opinion because "you're a dev and know how things work". Your statements made you look arrogant and like an asshat. And then you started to double down on it and ♥♥♥♥♥ about it, claiming even more nonsense while proofing absolutely nothing and dismissing obvious facts and statistics.

And then people started to call you out.

I told you I was correct when you started to insist I was wrong. That's when that started. It's not like we can't go back and see what was written.

[Empukris]

Originally posted by RenXD:

Originally posted by Empukris:

OP I dont think you are familiar with balancing in games if your original statement has so many issues.

The modules are designed with stacking in mind. They designed with assumptions that you are STACKING those effects. You need to introduce some kind of diminished effects. Many games do this as part of their balancing because if you dont, when you introduced new weapons or modules, the number can ramp up way out of control very fast. Game like this will have a core module, in TFD is the blue one, and additional module which you can stack with diminished effects on top of the core one. This type of balancing is very common in games. Normally eastern one.

I'll just comment on this part. ^^
I understand the stacking element to TFD. The problem is not every build makes use of the stacking to kinda fit the logic.

I've noticed purple modules with half capacity for advancing come with a "positive main stat" with a "positive sub stat". Mean while a rare module that has max advancing capacity lets say 14-16 will have a "positive main stat" and a "negative sub stat".

Sometimes these max capacity rare modules have such negative sub stats it's actually worse then the common blue variant. So these kinda modules alone are kinda terrible yet they are "rare" and to a common player thinks is better.

Personally I wouldn't have built my game like that. I would have kept the stacking but allowed "rare" modules to always be better then their common counter part. But balanced them for both situations. This way the value of the rare module always has value and is not confusing to players.

They designed the stats to have hard cap. You can reverse the rarity for example. Blue module to be legendary since their effects are always better than the purple or yellow variant but that means you forced your player to FARM those module. Since their modifier are so high to the point that it is a must have. They way they design it is that those blue module, the core module, you dont have to farm it, you will get it in bulk. They intent the player not to struggle at least for those core module so that your dps is not that far behind. But if you want more (more i mean about 50-80% more hard cap for example) you have to min max with another mods that is harder to get with a downside too. It is all to encourage multiple build to be possible. It is those kind of balancing they have in mind. It is far from perfect for example, weakspot, crit damage, skill att bonus multiplier, elements, bonus faction damage is still multiplicative so you can deal insane amount of damage with a proper build. Another example will be some damage mod in purple are still core module like for example action and reaction but you will flooded by those mods also near to end game but if you want it earlier you have to farm those.

The devs kinda meant it when they said they dont want this to be P2W. If they are, they will reverse all of the design that i mention above. Why? Because it will encourage whale to buy directly those mods or any drop chance increase purchase. For example there is legendary mod that is just miles better than the blue one. They make sure that none of the higher rarity mods are a must have. Just check most of end game build, im surprise how many mod actually I dont have to farm. This come as a surprise for me since the publisher is Nexon. They dont do that normally.

[RenXD]

Originally posted by Empukris:

Originally posted by RenXD:

I'll just comment on this part. ^^
I understand the stacking element to TFD. The problem is not every build makes use of the stacking to kinda fit the logic.

I've noticed purple modules with half capacity for advancing come with a "positive main stat" with a "positive sub stat". Mean while a rare module that has max advancing capacity lets say 14-16 will have a "positive main stat" and a "negative sub stat".

Sometimes these max capacity rare modules have such negative sub stats it's actually worse then the common blue variant. So these kinda modules alone are kinda terrible yet they are "rare" and to a common player thinks is better.

Personally I wouldn't have built my game like that. I would have kept the stacking but allowed "rare" modules to always be better then their common counter part. But balanced them for both situations. This way the value of the rare module always has value and is not confusing to players.

They designed the stats to have hard cap. You can reverse the rarity for example. Blue module to be legendary since their effects are always better than the purple or yellow variant but that means you forced your player to FARM those module. Since their modifier are so high to the point that it is a must have. They way they design it is that those blue module, the core module, you dont have to farm it, you will get it in bulk. They intent the player not to struggle at least for those core module so that your dps is not that far behind. But if you want more (more i mean about 50-80% more hard cap for example) you have to min max with another mods that is harder to get with a downside too. It is all to encourage multiple build to be possible. It is those kind of balancing they have in mind. It is far from perfect for example, weakspot, crit damage, skill att bonus multiplier, elements, bonus faction damage is still multiplicative so you can deal insane amount of damage with a proper build. Another example will be some damage mod in purple are still core module like for example action and reaction but you will flooded by those mods also near to end game but if you want it earlier you have to farm those.

The devs kinda meant it when they said they dont want this to be P2W. If they are, they will reverse all of the design that i mention above. Why? Because it will encourage whale to buy directly those mods or any drop chance increase purchase. For example there is legendary mod that is just miles better than the blue one. They make sure that none of the higher rarity mods are a must have. Just check most of end game build, im surprise how many mod actually I dont have to farm. This come as a surprise for me since the publisher is Nexon. They dont do that normally.

I get what you are saying but I still would have changed the stats so that the rares are still always better then the blue commons by methods like splitting stats. Or bringing trade off elements into the commons but building out the data so the characters are still obviously better off with base common modules. Putting all of the trade off on the rare to me devalues it anyway.

The p2w aspect I dono. I get what you are saying but honestly to some peoples definition there is already plenty of p2w elements in TFD that at the very least effect progression. Like energy activators, catalysts, or strait up buying the descendant and skipping grind. That progression skip is large enough to fall into a lota peoples p2w definition.
I get some things you can't directly p2w but some things you can't p2w are influenced by the things you can p2w. Like a store bought enzo.

The stuff dev's say is lip service. When they say that they are 100% trying to damage control Nexon's historical practices.

[Celgaming]

Originally posted by jandraelune:

Valby is the second behind Bunny in clearing crowds with skill power if that says anything about the rest of them. Well other then a skill exploit using Gley and infinite ammo with a launcher. Some players in dungeons will just sit down and wait for the Bunny to warp them to the end fight. At least the parkour mechanics will gum up some Bunny players.

High-impact ammo is so rare and small stack size that is requires you to fight on your weapon 2 modules before any other module >< 1 to convert general ammo to H-I and 1 to increase stack size, running those 2 modules makes H-I weapons at least partly viable for most.

Yep drops rates are WAY off. You're not rolling for the exact number listed but a range from 0 to that number for it to drop. but what I think might be happening is its actually rolling for all and going by which your roll is closet to.

Yep modules don't make sense, it's like the ' higher tier ' is less effective for return on investment. But some edge case purple ones are butter then blue one with a trade off.

Ultimate what ever it is, is 80% just junk. Got only a couple weapons that are better then purple. Modules, might find a single use case one, but junk outside of that use case. Reactors due to requiring a said ultimate weapon and that weapon must also be equipped ><, good by variety and player preference (that makes purple a better choice for many).

The FPS hangs from what I can come up with is animation is tied to FPS and the hitching that happens is the game MP code trying to match the animation stages of everyone in the area to each other to get past the widely different FPS's being run.

What a load of horse crap. This community is not only stupid but blind and willing to lie on the forums.

Bunny is OP. I've seen ultimate bunnies with an AoE that covers your entire screen. With enough mods Bunny is the most overpowered character in the entire game. Not only that in boss fights you can just swap to another spec that makes her AoE a single target and boom she's a boss killing machine too. Stupid OP and bosses can be done without skills anyway just make one OP weapon and you're good to go.

This game is stupid f*cking easy to begin with but characters like Bunny literally delete all mobs and make doing content not fun.

It's a shooter.

Yet she doesn't shoot at all.

Not only that she takes away others chance to shoot.

What a joke of a game and a joke of a community.

[Finno-Korean Hyperwar Vet]

Originally posted by RenXD:

I want to say Characters like Bunny disgustingly out class a lot of other options in terms of Descendants.
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Ok. Now look at the thirst trap that is Ultimate Bunny. This was 100% intentional. Nexon just OnlyFan's its own game bro

[Empukris]

Originally posted by RenXD:

Originally posted by Empukris:

They designed the stats to have hard cap. You can reverse the rarity for example. Blue module to be legendary since their effects are always better than the purple or yellow variant but that means you forced your player to FARM those module. Since their modifier are so high to the point that it is a must have. They way they design it is that those blue module, the core module, you dont have to farm it, you will get it in bulk. They intent the player not to struggle at least for those core module so that your dps is not that far behind. But if you want more (more i mean about 50-80% more hard cap for example) you have to min max with another mods that is harder to get with a downside too. It is all to encourage multiple build to be possible. It is those kind of balancing they have in mind. It is far from perfect for example, weakspot, crit damage, skill att bonus multiplier, elements, bonus faction damage is still multiplicative so you can deal insane amount of damage with a proper build. Another example will be some damage mod in purple are still core module like for example action and reaction but you will flooded by those mods also near to end game but if you want it earlier you have to farm those.

The devs kinda meant it when they said they dont want this to be P2W. If they are, they will reverse all of the design that i mention above. Why? Because it will encourage whale to buy directly those mods or any drop chance increase purchase. For example there is legendary mod that is just miles better than the blue one. They make sure that none of the higher rarity mods are a must have. Just check most of end game build, im surprise how many mod actually I dont have to farm. This come as a surprise for me since the publisher is Nexon. They dont do that normally.

I get what you are saying but I still would have changed the stats so that the rares are still always better then the blue commons by methods like splitting stats. Or bringing trade off elements into the commons but building out the data so the characters are still obviously better off with base common modules. Putting all of the trade off on the rare to me devalues it anyway.

The p2w aspect I dono. I get what you are saying but honestly to some peoples definition there is already plenty of p2w elements in TFD that at the very least effect progression. Like energy activators, catalysts, or strait up buying the descendant and skipping grind. That progression skip is large enough to fall into a lota peoples p2w definition.
I get some things you can't directly p2w but some things you can't p2w are influenced by the things you can p2w. Like a store bought enzo.

The stuff dev's say is lip service. When they say that they are 100% trying to damage control Nexon's historical practices.

Yeah I know their history which is why im very skeptical coming in to this game. They might still change their stance in the future, who knows. My full intention is always F2P going in to this game so Im very particular at how F2P this game truly is. But it is qualify as one for me, I struggle more on early phase of warframe than this. I bought plat back then small amount but i didnt here. In regards to that P2W definition Im not going to bother to argue here. Let me just say that Asian and Western gamer has huge differences in what they called P2W. I trust this kind of monetisation more than those completely F2P monetisation since it is coming from Nexon. Probably because im surrounded by gacha games so im very skeptical. Completely free? By Nexon? Yeah sure... im not going to touch those. It is like amazon deal that is way too good to be true you know that it aint happening or have some shady things going on.

But so far to this day, it is kinda fresh to know that the devs are very responding and still deliver what they said. If they dont.... we have dozen other games anyway why bother? I will jump ship in a heartbeat. Anyway I donate a bit to their battlepass since I do have 100hr alr. I will still not going to touch those mushrooms. At the time I have to, I will drop this game immediately.

[☆ オワリ ★]

Originally posted by Celgaming:

What a load of horse crap. This community is not only stupid but blind and willing to lie on the forums.

Bunny is OP. I've seen ultimate bunnies with an AoE that covers your entire screen. With enough mods Bunny is the most overpowered character in the entire game. Not only that in boss fights you can just swap to another spec that makes her AoE a single target and boom she's a boss killing machine too. Stupid OP and bosses can be done without skills anyway just make one OP weapon and you're good to go.

This game is stupid f*cking easy to begin with but characters like Bunny literally delete all mobs and make doing content not fun.

It's a shooter.

Yet she doesn't shoot at all.

Not only that she takes away others chance to shoot.

What a joke of a game and a joke of a community.

You know that in warframe there are a bunch of characters who can finish the mission without shooting right?