I am fed up of how OP bunny is

[BardzBeast]

I play mostly freyna and lepic. their abilities take forever to cool down and they do high damage vs single target or small aoe for limited time.

Bunny has massive aoe, massive damage aura with ridiculously fast cool down and can run everywhere super quick.

Almost every single infiltration mission i'm just running to keep up and walking past the drops of dead mobs. then when in a room full of enemies i can't believe that its considered acceptable game design for all of them to be instantly dead because of 1 low cooldown bunny ability that takes 0 skill. This is made worse when there is an ult bunny with bigger radius and more damage.

they need to increase the cooldown, reduce the area of affect and/or reduce the damage. Something that has such a large radius, does so much damage, moves so fast, has such a short cooldown and takes 0 effort is insanely unbalanced. It also completely bypasses enemy shields, most boss immune mechanics and common enemy immune spots.

On albion defence as an example. I have level 100 guns. I'm shooting the enemies in the late stages and they take a second to kill some of the bigger guys. Meanwhile bunny just turns on their instakill aura and mops every enemy up in as much time as it takes for me to kill 1. Its ok for a class be to be good vs large mobs, but to be this crazy efficient for no effort when 90% of the game is spent killing smaller enemies for me is too much.

I see some discussion around this and yet I'm actually quite surprised how little discussion I see given how ridiculously OP bunny is compared to everything else. I understand she is very popular because of how powerful she is plus the skins, but I think she is actively harming the game in the long run, as it makes the game much less fun for everyone else not playing bunny.

[Shyba]

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I use the enduring legacy and have for over a week now. I have it built to be 5x crit damage, 30% crit rate and it has 93% fire arm attack+60% from sharp precision shot (Same as in the video.) The only thing lacking is the stuff built for the colossi boss specifically, which was the fire enchantment, the weakpoint damagex2 to make the gun hit for 200k, instead of 80k. Valby's water is giving a 20% crit chance multipler to the base, so it turns the gun from 30% to 50% crit rate, that's it. That's what it does. So if you're trying to tell me with the EXACT same gun setup, that bunny couldn't do this in around 10 seconds more, you're mistaken.

Please make a video of a similar feat and then I believe. The fastest I've seen an ULT Bunny clear this Hard Devourer was close to 2 minutes.

You can prove me wrong.

I'm not even that good and it only takes 60 seconds as a non-minmaxed(didn't go full glass cannon kept SOME survivability for when i get focusfired) High Voltage Bunny :x (without aiming at weakpoints cause im too busy spamming jump to aim well lol) a BETTER player could easily have it sub 30 seconds

[StellarSkys]

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Please make a video of a similar feat and then I believe. The fastest I've seen an ULT Bunny clear this Hard Devourer was close to 2 minutes.

You can prove me wrong.

I'm not even that good and it only takes 60 seconds as a non-minmaxed(didn't go full glass cannon kept SOME survivability for when i get focusfired) High Voltage Bunny :x (without aiming at weakpoints cause im too busy spamming jump to aim well lol) a BETTER player could easily have it sub 30 seconds

man its almost like i'm right, and we don't have any idea how powerful these characters actually are yet as half the builds are still getting found out. so screaming about nerfs on one fo the only semi figured out characters so far is kinda weird.

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Please make a video of a similar feat and then I believe. The fastest I've seen an ULT Bunny clear this Hard Devourer was close to 2 minutes.

You can prove me wrong.

I'm not even that good and it only takes 60 seconds as a non-minmaxed(didn't go full glass cannon kept SOME survivability for when i get focusfired) High Voltage Bunny :x (without aiming at weakpoints cause im too busy spamming jump to aim well lol) a BETTER player could easily have it sub 30 seconds

You must live in NORMAL mode.

[Shyba]

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I'm not even that good and it only takes 60 seconds as a non-minmaxed(didn't go full glass cannon kept SOME survivability for when i get focusfired) High Voltage Bunny :x (without aiming at weakpoints cause im too busy spamming jump to aim well lol) a BETTER player could easily have it sub 30 seconds

man its almost like i'm right, and we don't have any idea how powerful these characters actually are yet as half the builds are still getting found out. so screaming about nerfs on one fo the only semi figured out characters so far is kinda weird.

exactly lol I'm pretty sure EVERY character is capable of sub 30 seconds devourer but some are more reliant on the gun being minmaxed then others... well.. ok MAYBE not Yujin? idk much about his kit though

[Shyba]

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I'm not even that good and it only takes 60 seconds as a non-minmaxed(didn't go full glass cannon kept SOME survivability for when i get focusfired) High Voltage Bunny :x (without aiming at weakpoints cause im too busy spamming jump to aim well lol) a BETTER player could easily have it sub 30 seconds

You must live in NORMAL mode.

lolwut?

fine you want proof? thats 53 seconds and it was a BAD run lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y9QctTqZNQ

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Talking about regular bunny starts talking about High Voltage. Yup, that is their proof. There is a confirmed kill of 32s for ULT BUNNY because of High Voltage that is only for ULT BUNNY.

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You must live in NORMAL mode.

lolwut?

One day you can figure out the difference between an ULT Bunny and regular Bunnies. Hang in the normal mode. You can finally get to hard mode soon.

[Shyba]

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Talking about regular bunny starts talking about High Voltage. Yup, that is their proof. There is a confirmed kill of 32s for ULT BUNNY because of High Voltage that is only for ULT BUNNY.

hey now you called me out on my previous comment don't change the goalposts now but fine ill do it without HV

1:20 without remembering to equip electric condense
1:23 with it at the cost of lowered LE dmg and worse gameplay
take your pick on the video nothing done there is ult bunny exclusive

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Talking about regular bunny starts talking about High Voltage. Yup, that is their proof. There is a confirmed kill of 32s for ULT BUNNY because of High Voltage that is only for ULT BUNNY.

hey now you called me out on my previous comment don't change the goalposts now but fine ill do it without HV

Ok sorry I was typing too fast. The last video I've seen was of an ULT Bunny. Last talk is from a regular Bunny.

That was my bad.

[Pocahawtness]

I am not a good player by any means, but I find that bunny players are not learning to play. All they do is run about. I spend most of my time rescuing them because their damage far outweighs their skill.

[Shyba]

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hey now you called me out on my previous comment don't change the goalposts now but fine ill do it without HV

Ok sorry I was typing too fast. The last video I've seen was of an ULT Bunny. Last talk is from a regular Bunny.

That was my bad.

no one makes "base bunny" videos because WHY WOULD YOU WHEN ULT BUNNY EXISTS and is one of the easiest ults to obtain (Lepic might be easier but that's debatable depends on which void reactors you choose to do really)

beyond HV NOTHING ult bunny is unique to her and it's still 1:20~ without any red mods at all and again Absolute awful gameplay because im not playing for "skill" there lol every single thing in that video is doable by normal bunny so really if someone as all over the place aiming wise as me can do it in 1:20 with nothing unique to Ult someone actually GOOD at shooting games would easily sub minute to sub 30 that. but again why would you spend time Catalyzing Normal bunny when Ult Bunny exists and HAS access to High Voltage.

(hell Bionic Fuel might actually be a better call then Electric Condense now that i think about it since then i could stay at Light speed more for even MORE damage on LE and Thrill bombs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIwAUdzmk7U

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Ok sorry I was typing too fast. The last video I've seen was of an ULT Bunny. Last talk is from a regular Bunny.

That was my bad.

beyond HV NOTHING ult bunny is unique to her and it's still 1:20~ without any red mods at all and again Absolute awful gameplay because im not playing for "skill" there lol every single thing in that video is doable by normal bunny

(hell Bionic Fuel might actually be a better call then Electric Condense now that i think about it since then i could stay at Light speed more for even MORE damage on LE and Thrill bombs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIwAUdzmk7U

Can you show us the bunny then since your mods fit with your regular bunny? Last video of a regular bunny took him 5 minutes to kill.

[Kashra Fall]

Seeing as the icons of some modules got changed in the last patch. I am not 100% sure of what some of these mods are.

The valby player has
Action and Reaction
Concentration priority.
Better concentration
Sharp precision shot
Insight
Rifling reinforcement
Fire enchantment
Magazine charge
Fire rate increase

I THINK that one int he bottom left is weakpoint damage, though I am not 100% sure. As I said, the icons changed. What is curious to me though, is they are running the exact same setup (Minus the weakpoint damage.) that I am, but their crit damage is lower. 194%, mins is 208%. Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Shyba]

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beyond HV NOTHING ult bunny is unique to her and it's still 1:20~ without any red mods at all and again Absolute awful gameplay because im not playing for "skill" there lol every single thing in that video is doable by normal bunny

(hell Bionic Fuel might actually be a better call then Electric Condense now that i think about it since then i could stay at Light speed more for even MORE damage on LE and Thrill bombs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIwAUdzmk7U

Can you show us the bunny then since your mods fit with your regular bunny? Last video of a regular bunny took him 5 minutes to kill.

first like 3 seconds of the 2nd video they are the same mods just without HV
now if you mean on my normal bunny.. no? i didn't waste catalysts/energy actuator on her but again nothing is unique to ult bunny there. defensively ult bunny has ~300 more shields 20~ def and ~150 hp extra none of which matter at all


Time distribution/increase hp/elec specialist/Skill insight/skill conc/skill simp/Skill Expand/Spear and Shield/Amp control/Electronic Sync

hell that's actually an AWFUL build for base LE at that since it has lower Base power% so it needs more skill power mod and less skill power, My mod set up is to maximize Skill power since that benefits HV more.
if i wanted to take time to do so i'd probably drop skill expand and/or Amp control for the purple crit mods(don't really need the range in the boss fight) Electrtonic Sync for idk Deadly Ambush or Multi talented and Spear and Shield for sometrhing if can find something with available skill mod% that isn't locked out by catagories

[GrailQuest]

The problem with Bunny (and Thunder Cage) is many missions, such as defense Special Operations, swarm you with a stupid number of enemies.
It's basically impossible to do a defense mission without Thunder Cage helping to trim the adds in the later stages.

[Shyba]

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The problem with Bunny (and Thunder Cage) is many missions, such as defense Special Operations, swarm you with a stupid number of enemies.
It's basically impossible to do a defense mission without Thunder Cage helping to trim the adds in the later stages.

yes and no Thundercage lets ANY character function at "peak wave clear" but plenty of skills can do the same

Viessa can one shot things with Ice Shard in mass aoe (and ideally get some MP back per cast with Collector)
Valby is Valby
Kyle can just spam AoE and be unkillable
Blair if minmaxed has "potential"? since you could jsut set flame zones everywhere far enough that even ranged enemies hit them and watch it all burn
Freyna can poison pool the spawn points easily enough and they die
Gley can infinite rockets or massacre if you want to ONLY look at skills
Jayber has turrets to easily defend things
don't know about Ajax or Lepic but i could see them being skill happy spambois with the right setup.

that leaves Enzo/Yujin/Sharen haven't really looked very hard at the first 2 and Sharen's kit just isn't BUILT for the defence mission though she can spam her sword easily enough to swat entire groups

but really that's more of a global design of the game "issue" with it being 90% mass swarms of trash so being able to AoE is king.