What's the secret for Pyromaniac? Nobody can clear him even at level 40.

[Fenrir]

I give up. I've been trying to fight this guy for a few hours now and even with full 40 groups, we're not meeting the DPS check. He still has like half of his HP left and we ALWAYS run out of time.

Why the hell is there a time limit anyway when your rewards aren't even judged based on how fast you clear? You either clear and get the rewards or you DON'T. Simple as that.

Also, the flashbang **** absolutely needs to go. Tired of seeing this dude disappear, then we have to suffer 10 seconds of DPS downtime just to grapple out of the AoE before we're allowed to fight again. If he did it once for a phase change, fine, but he shouldn't be allowed to spam it and just waste time.

Anyway, I've run all out of ideas here. What's the secret?

I'm running Ultimate Gley with a full ice build for this guy right now, if that matters. Doesn't seem to really help, like, at all.

EDIT: Just editing the post to say thanks for those of you that gave suggestions and stuff for what I should do with my mods and whatnot. I've been waiting to upgrade all my stuff for a while, thinking I could just wait until endgame, but already hit a wall here, so I guess it's time to start upgrading now. I'll go back through the replies up to this point and give awards (doesn't really do much, but just a way of saying thanks for taking time out of your day to post suggestions instead of trolling like the other people did).

[TGHoly]

Are this Hard mode or Normal? In solo normal mode I just face tank his attack with my 30k Def Sharen and easily blast him with my 320k toxic tamer. (which didn't optimize to fight him correctly). all I did just keep shooting his weak point and keep dodging when he enter rage mode.

[RX-3DR]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

I just don't appreciate getting cucked by a time limit when it literally serves no purpose (as I said before, your rewards don't even change anyway and it's not like there's a ranking system).

As mentioned, it's there to prevent people from turtling too hard and carrying on with the game. Enrage timers are just soft timers that add an arbitrary number to how long you can extend the fight or a useless system. A good enrage system is excessively unsustainable. "We were short by 10% HP" is an excuse and would carry on even with an enrage mechanic.

If a group made the Pyromaniac fight a 15 minute fight, Swamp Walker would end up being a 20 minute fight. It would probably be longer than that because this would have been snowballing from previous bosses. Meanwhile, solo timer for competent players would be sub 8 minutes. The game would be completely messed up in this state.

[mykidsnamedme]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

I give up. I've been trying to fight this guy for a few hours now and even with full 40 groups, we're not meeting the DPS check. He still has like half of his HP left and we ALWAYS run out of time.

Why the hell is there a time limit anyway when your rewards aren't even judged based on how fast you clear? You either clear and get the rewards or you DON'T. Simple as that.

Also, the flashbang **** absolutely needs to go. Tired of seeing this dude disappear, then we have to suffer 10 seconds of DPS downtime just to grapple out of the AoE before we're allowed to fight again. If he did it once for a phase change, fine, but he shouldn't be allowed to spam it and just waste time.

Anyway, I've run all out of ideas here. What's the secret?

I'm running Ultimate Gley with a full ice build for this guy right now, if that matters. Doesn't seem to really help, like, at all.

Well I've been farming him solo so I dunno.

[76561197988918266]

The secret is you should have picked viessa when you first started.

[AI NPC]

i just cleared him 6x on hard trying for bunny high voltage mod, have 11k HP, 35k DEF, 11.5k heat resist. Setup your defenses properly if bunny can do it most other characters can.

[Soulley]

show ur gear and we can start from there. cant really help with randoms if they have bad gear, but if u wan tto solo it then thats the best place to start. most
bosses should be able to be solo, so best to start with a good foundation. the last 3 bosses you cannot solo at all.

[Fenrir]

yeah, just tried to solo out of curiosity (this is on Normal btw) and he cooked me rather easily

can't tank any of the damage, even with the fire resist stuff

people also say "just dodge", but you literally HAVE to get hit by some of this fire because it has tracking properties, so they'll just follow/chase you, regardless of which direction you move (like when he launches the big fireball, even if you get out of the way, you eat damage anyway from the homing stuff, which doesn't do AS much damage, but unavoidable damage either way)

current stats are as follows:

9911.3 firearm ATK
6221.61 skill power
8657.12 DEF
2809.63 max HP

EDIT: for those curious, I was only able to get his shield down by like 20% or so before using up all 3 deaths

EDIT2: tried it a couple of more times on solo to see if anything would change, but nope, it's impossible

I don't have the survivability with Gley to take all this damage, so there's absolutely no way for me to clear like this, unfortunately, even on Normal

I could see Hard being more manageable because you have access to WAY better gear by that point, but forcing us to fight this boss with level 50+ stuff is just trash, man

we should be fighting this guy AFTER clearing the main campaign

we have nowhere to farm for level 60-70+ weapons to fight this level 66 guy with and it just feels unfair af, tbh

[Mordtziel]

current stats are as follows:

9911.3 firearm ATK
6221.61 skill power
8657.12 DEF
2809.63 max HP

EDIT: for those curious, I was only able to get his shield down by like 20% or so before using up all 3 deaths

Your stats are all over the place and I'm guessing that's why you're failing. I told you earlier in the thread that he takes less damage from firearms and your firearm attack is 50% higher than your skill power. Your max hp is also incredibly low, which tells me you either aren't using increased hp or you don't have a single component with max hp on it. Your def is also nothing special. I have to wonder what the hell your descendant modules are at all, but I'm guessing you're trying to follow some build that expects you to have an activator and at least half your sockets modified if not all of them.

[mykidsnamedme]

Originally posted by Mordtziel:

current stats are as follows:

9911.3 firearm ATK
6221.61 skill power
8657.12 DEF
2809.63 max HP

EDIT: for those curious, I was only able to get his shield down by like 20% or so before using up all 3 deaths

Your stats are all over the place and I'm guessing that's why you're failing. I told you earlier in the thread that he takes less damage from firearms and your firearm attack is 50% higher than your skill power. Your max hp is also incredibly low, which tells me you either aren't using increased hp or you don't have a single component with max hp on it. Your def is also nothing special. I have to wonder what the hell your descendant modules are at all, but I'm guessing you're trying to follow some build that expects you to have an activator and at least half your sockets modified if not all of them.

Agreed.

That's what I see as well.

Also until you get buffed up by alot you need resists on then after they really don't matter.

I have a bit on just my modules atm and it's fine.

Max defense
Max Heatlh

ARE A MUST on basically everyone.

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by Mordtziel:

current stats are as follows:

9911.3 firearm ATK
6221.61 skill power
8657.12 DEF
2809.63 max HP

EDIT: for those curious, I was only able to get his shield down by like 20% or so before using up all 3 deaths

Your stats are all over the place and I'm guessing that's why you're failing. I told you earlier in the thread that he takes less damage from firearms and your firearm attack is 50% higher than your skill power. Your max hp is also incredibly low, which tells me you either aren't using increased hp or you don't have a single component with max hp on it. Your def is also nothing special. I have to wonder what the hell your descendant modules are at all, but I'm guessing you're trying to follow some build that expects you to have an activator and at least half your sockets modified if not all of them.

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I've been applying everything I've obtained up to this point. The hell do you mean? It's not like I can get MORE of something unless it drops for me, lol.

Also, I'm running Max HP 22%, so I'm not sure what you want from me, man. You think I WANT this HP? I'm working with what I'm being given here.

The firearm attack has to kinda be higher on Gley anyway since the only SKILL she has is Massacre, which you're not gonna really be using in this fight anyway, for the most part. Life Siphon also deals damage, but again, you won't be using it against this boss (mainly because the adds aren't gonna give you enough life orbs to make it count and using Life Siphon on a boss, rather than trash mobs, is kinda wack).

I've been trying to farm for HP Collector and Super Senses to help, but neither of them have dropped. Hey, if you know how to get more damage while being locked out of the level 60+ content, feel free to tell me, but right now, there's literally nothing I can do outside of trying to farm for red/gold modules (which aren't dropping anyway).

Every other weapon I need to improve my attack is locked behind this Pyro clear.

EDIT: Skill duration and skill damage are good for Gley, I understand that much, but after fighting this guy for hours, I can guarantee you that you will NOT find instances for using Massacre in this fight (I could see it being the case for Hard mode though). The adds either:

A. don't drop life orbs
or
B. drop them in the poison stuff so you can't grab them without risking dying anyway

[Soulley]

eh, ok i was going to ask for a screenshot of ur mods and builds but there videos out there that can help with the right mods u might need. so in order to save time. if u want i can cary u throught it. there really isnt any secret, its alll just making sure ur geared with mods that actually help and to make sure you actually level them. add me Soulley#4645 ill b on

Originally posted by Fenrir:

yeah, just tried to solo out of curiosity (this is on Normal btw) and he cooked me rather easily

can't tank any of the damage, even with the fire resist stuff

people also say "just dodge", but you literally HAVE to get hit by some of this fire because it has tracking properties, so they'll just follow/chase you, regardless of which direction you move (like when he launches the big fireball, even if you get out of the way, you eat damage anyway from the homing stuff, which doesn't do AS much damage, but unavoidable damage either way)

current stats are as follows:

9911.3 firearm ATK
6221.61 skill power
8657.12 DEF
2809.63 max HP

EDIT: for those curious, I was only able to get his shield down by like 20% or so before using up all 3 deaths

EDIT2: tried it a couple of more times on solo to see if anything would change, but nope, it's impossible

I don't have the survivability with Gley to take all this damage, so there's absolutely no way for me to clear like this, unfortunately, even on Normal

I could see Hard being more manageable because you have access to WAY better gear by that point, but forcing us to fight this boss with level 50+ stuff is just trash, man

we should be fighting this guy AFTER clearing the main campaign

we have nowhere to farm for level 60-70+ weapons to fight this level 66 guy with and it just feels unfair af, tbh

[Mordtziel]

Also, I'm running Max HP 22%, so I'm not sure what you want from me, man. You think I WANT this HP? I'm working with what I'm being given here.

LEVEL YOUR MODS UP. 22% is nothing! That mod should be at least level 8 by this point!

The firearm attack has to kinda be higher on Gley anyway since the only SKILL she has is Massacre, which you're not gonna really be using in this fight anyway, for the most part. Life Siphon also deals damage, but again, you won't be using it against this boss (mainly because the adds aren't gonna give you enough life orbs to make it count and using Life Siphon on a boss, rather than trash mobs, is kinda wack).

I've been trying to farm for HP Collector and Super Senses to help, but neither of them have dropped. Hey, if you know how to get more damage while being locked out of the level 60+ content, feel free to tell me, but right now, there's literally nothing I can do outside of trying to farm for red/gold modules (which aren't dropping anyway).

USE A DIFFERENT DESCENDANT! They're not all good against every opponent.

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by Soulley:

eh, ok i was going to ask for a screenshot of ur mods and builds but there videos out there that can help with the right mods u might need. so in order to save time. if u want i can cary u throught it. there really isnt any secret, its alll just making sure ur geared with mods that actually help and to make sure you actually level them. add me Soulley#4645 ill b on

Originally posted by Fenrir:

yeah, just tried to solo out of curiosity (this is on Normal btw) and he cooked me rather easily

can't tank any of the damage, even with the fire resist stuff

people also say "just dodge", but you literally HAVE to get hit by some of this fire because it has tracking properties, so they'll just follow/chase you, regardless of which direction you move (like when he launches the big fireball, even if you get out of the way, you eat damage anyway from the homing stuff, which doesn't do AS much damage, but unavoidable damage either way)

current stats are as follows:

9911.3 firearm ATK
6221.61 skill power
8657.12 DEF
2809.63 max HP

EDIT: for those curious, I was only able to get his shield down by like 20% or so before using up all 3 deaths

EDIT2: tried it a couple of more times on solo to see if anything would change, but nope, it's impossible

I don't have the survivability with Gley to take all this damage, so there's absolutely no way for me to clear like this, unfortunately, even on Normal

I could see Hard being more manageable because you have access to WAY better gear by that point, but forcing us to fight this boss with level 50+ stuff is just trash, man

we should be fighting this guy AFTER clearing the main campaign

we have nowhere to farm for level 60-70+ weapons to fight this level 66 guy with and it just feels unfair af, tbh

I haven't leveled any of my mods, weapons, or anything yet because I'm waiting to unlock Hard mode to actually farm weapons and stuff that are worth using my mats/gold on. Everything I have right now is replaceable or can be improved.

[deadlyuo]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

I give up. I've been trying to fight this guy for a few hours now and even with full 40 groups, we're not meeting the DPS check. He still has like half of his HP left and we ALWAYS run out of time.

Why the hell is there a time limit anyway when your rewards aren't even judged based on how fast you clear? You either clear and get the rewards or you DON'T. Simple as that.

Also, the flashbang **** absolutely needs to go. Tired of seeing this dude disappear, then we have to suffer 10 seconds of DPS downtime just to grapple out of the AoE before we're allowed to fight again. If he did it once for a phase change, fine, but he shouldn't be allowed to spam it and just waste time.

Anyway, I've run all out of ideas here. What's the secret?

I'm running Ultimate Gley with a full ice build for this guy right now, if that matters. Doesn't seem to really help, like, at all.

"Why the hell is there a time limit anyway when your rewards aren't even judged based on how fast you clear? You either clear and get the rewards or you DON'T. Simple as that."

And thats why it has a timer ... so you can fail . As simple as that , if your build is trash you dont .

"Anyway, I've run all out of ideas here. What's the secret?"

Not be a useless player , and first step is not crying .

"Also, the flashbang **** absolutely needs to go. Tired of seeing this dude disappear, then we have to suffer 10 seconds of DPS downtime just to grapple out of the AoE before we're allowed to fight again."

So ... your excuse is that in a fight of 10 minutes losing maybe 30 seconds is what made you fail ?

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by deadlyuo:

Originally posted by Fenrir:

I give up. I've been trying to fight this guy for a few hours now and even with full 40 groups, we're not meeting the DPS check. He still has like half of his HP left and we ALWAYS run out of time.

Why the hell is there a time limit anyway when your rewards aren't even judged based on how fast you clear? You either clear and get the rewards or you DON'T. Simple as that.

Also, the flashbang **** absolutely needs to go. Tired of seeing this dude disappear, then we have to suffer 10 seconds of DPS downtime just to grapple out of the AoE before we're allowed to fight again. If he did it once for a phase change, fine, but he shouldn't be allowed to spam it and just waste time.

Anyway, I've run all out of ideas here. What's the secret?

I'm running Ultimate Gley with a full ice build for this guy right now, if that matters. Doesn't seem to really help, like, at all.

"Why the hell is there a time limit anyway when your rewards aren't even judged based on how fast you clear? You either clear and get the rewards or you DON'T. Simple as that."

And thats why it has a timer ... so you can fail . As simple as that , if your build is trash you dont .

"Anyway, I've run all out of ideas here. What's the secret?"

Not be a useless player , and first step is not crying .

"Also, the flashbang **** absolutely needs to go. Tired of seeing this dude disappear, then we have to suffer 10 seconds of DPS downtime just to grapple out of the AoE before we're allowed to fight again."

So ... your excuse is that in a fight of 10 minutes losing maybe 30 seconds is what made you fail ?

Considering the fact we always lose DPS downtime during that, yeah. It's easy to see how you could fail. You DO realize people clear these fights with like, less than a minute at times, right...?

Don't underestimate the difference something as insignificant as 30 seconds can make.