"Don't go AFK" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Baster]

How am I suppose not to AFK if every 5 minutes I should manually dissassebmle every piece of the loot?

[Boss]

Originally posted by KitKat:

Originally posted by Boss:

If you're the one running them, I can't imagine you're in danger of being reported. Why so concerned, hm?

Because I also stop in the middle of a run and have to clear out my inventory, while those other players - mostly Bunnies too - who joined in along the way keep on running. They might think I've noticed them join in and now stop to leech instead. They might report me for "not participating" aka leeching aka "afking". Even though I'm not, I'm merely standing there, clearing the inventory, browsing through every single piece of equipment that dropped, in hopes of getting better stuff among all the trash roll stats. Just because there is no good filter system that also may allow us to filter secondary stat-rolls - which is even literally part of the point why some missions are getting farmed.

I can respect the desire to comb through everything. Assuming you're in good faith with this concern, I highly doubt anyone would waste their time finding your name in the social just to report you for a few seconds of AFK. I've seen people stop randomly, but it doesn't affect me if it's a farming mission (this is NOT the same as people in a dungeon, where I have a zero tolerance policy).

However, I HAVE taken notice, now and then, of folk that do just casually run around and stop, yet make sure to always single tap an enemy to rejoin a mission over and over again. You have the option of stepping slightly to the side, or staying at the start and rejoining after you're done.

Getting a full inventory of items in a few minutes is a boon, attempting to double dip by making others work for you while you need some time to AFK (yes, non participate) is being greedy. I genuinely cannot understand how you don't see this as a problem, however minor.

And if you're able to solo farm as bunny yourself and require frequent stops that are prolonged (which is what you're making it sound like), then... just do it private? You won't lose any time, except... of course... if you were hoping to have others run a mission or two for you while you multitask your inventory.

Originally posted by Danyel:

For someone so concerned with name calling you seem to enjoy callign people leeches and are very busy being a busbody trying to polcie how others play in public.

No name calling. I'm describing a gaming behavior, and a well documented one. If you have a better word for it, I'm all ears.

That said, you're not arguing in good faith, obviously. I'm sorry you feel that way, but Korea, and the company, do not share your view. Non participation is anathema to games. If you don't contribute, you should not be rewarded.

[mykidsnamedme]

Originally posted by Baster:

How am I suppose not to AFK if every 5 minutes I should manually dissassebmle every piece of the loot?

It's called batch disassemble and takes like 5 seonds.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by Boss:

Originally posted by KitKat:

Because I also stop in the middle of a run and have to clear out my inventory, while those other players - mostly Bunnies too - who joined in along the way keep on running. They might think I've noticed them join in and now stop to leech instead. They might report me for "not participating" aka leeching aka "afking". Even though I'm not, I'm merely standing there, clearing the inventory, browsing through every single piece of equipment that dropped, in hopes of getting better stuff among all the trash roll stats. Just because there is no good filter system that also may allow us to filter secondary stat-rolls - which is even literally part of the point why some missions are getting farmed.

If can respect the desire to comb through everything. Assuming you're in good faith with this concern, I highly doubt anyone would waste their time finding your name in the social just to report you for a few seconds of AFK. I've seen people stop randomly, but it doesn't affect me if it's a farming mission (this is NOT the same as people in a dungeon, where I have a zero tolerance policy).

However, I HAVE taken notice, now and then, of folk that do just casually run around and stop, yet make sure to always single tap an enemy to rejoin a mission over and over again. You have the option of stepping slightly to the side, or staying at the start and rejoining after you're done.

Getting a full inventory of items in a few minutes is a boon, attempting to double dip by making others work for you while you need some time to AFK (yes, non participate) is being greedy. I genuinely cannot understand how you don't see this as a problem, however minor.

And if you're able to solo farm as bunny yourself and require frequent stops that are prolonged (which is what you're making it sound like), then... just do it private? You won't lose any time, except... of course... if you were hoping to have others run a mission or two for you while you multitask your inventory.

Originally posted by Danyel:

For someone so concerned with name calling you seem to enjoy callign people leeches and are very busy being a busbody trying to polcie how others play in public.

No name calling. I'm describing a gaming behavior, and a well documented one. If you have a better word for it, I'm all ears.

That said, you're not arguing in good faith, obviously. I'm sorry you feel that way, but Korea, and the company, do not share your view. Non participation is anathema to games. If you don't contribute, you should not be rewarded.

"Pubs being pubs". You know that saying from literally any online game? You can't expect people in public matchmaking (PvP or PvE, doesn't matter) to do, think and BE the "same as you".

Reporting for standing at the start of the dungeon - that I can understand just fine and in full agreement. The person clearly is here to leech.

Reporting for stopping mid-farming session of one of those "loot cave" farming missions, in pub matchmaking - that's not ok.

It's a PvE game. Nothing wrong with friendly cooperation, including when it comes to loot drops. Whenever I run as Bunny and see someone stop to manage their inventory - I don't mind. Whenever I run as Bunny and see someone stand at the mission-starter thingy - I also don't mind. Because I know the pain of re-leveling characters multiple times after resetting back to 1. Plus I don't have to run to the mission start thingy again to re-start it myself - they do it for me, I just keep on blasting. In public matchmaking, in the open-world map misisons - it's all fine to me.

And yet... again, like I said, "not everyone is same as you". In this case - not as me. People won't be as tolerant of this sort of behavior in public matchmaking. People WILL report this stuff. They WILL report for stopping to clear out your inventory. I've already seen that happen multiple times. Rando person threatening reports to the person who literally stopped for like 10 seconds and clearly is in the inventory (as apparent by the holographic thingy that appears above your character's head).

People WILL abuse the report system and I'm sure they already ARE doing it. Just because we don't have a proper filter system, that forces us to stop every 2 minutes and go through every single item, in hopes of getting a better roll than a reactor with a launcher/pistol requirement and +one faction damage or wrong element.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by mykidsnamedme:

Originally posted by Baster:

How am I suppose not to AFK if every 5 minutes I should manually dissassebmle every piece of the loot?

It's called batch disassemble and takes like 5 seonds.

But what if among those items that just dropped, there's some good roll of stats on the item? And you just batch-disassemble it without looking through all of them by hand? Which takes time, more than 5 seconds. Especially on reactors, which have these uber-huge tooltips and sometimes you have to scroll down manually to see what the 2nd effect even is.

[Danyel]

Originally posted by Boss:

...snip.. behavior, and a well documented one. If you have a better word for it, I'm all ears.

That said, you're not arguing in good faith, obviously. I'm sorry you feel that way, but Korea, and the company, do not share your view. Non participation is anathema to games. If you don't contribute, you should not be rewarded.

Sorry but you are not the one arguing in good faith here and I think you need to go reread the patch notes.

This was added to stop people that are actually not participating, that are afk throughout a whole mission and using scripts or macros to avoid being kicked etc. it was added so they can gather information on the CLAIMS of excessive afking so they can decide how it will be handled. I bet lots of the claims will be bogus.

it was not added for reporting someone that take a min to sort their inventory at the end or start even of a mission.

Just yesterday I was in a public instance farming with some randoms and it was the same 3 of us for quite awhile and many missions and one guy stopped twice in ALL that time for 1 min or less each time. I imagine once to clear his inventory, just like I did at some point, and the second time the other person reported him and was urging me to report him too....when he came back 1 min about later he was like "sorry I just went get my dinner". Basically he was gone the time it took him to go to the kitchen or door and delivery guy w/e and grab it and walk back....I frankly was disgusted with the immature behavior of the report happy person.

That was clearly abusing the report button and if you think people are going to be "reasonable" with this you are mistaken and clearly new to online gaming. The very attitude you have shown here will lead to major abuse of this and encourage that abuse.

[Boss]

Originally posted by KitKat:

"Pubs being pubs". You know that saying from literally any online game? You can't expect people in public matchmaking (PvP or PvE, doesn't matter) to do, think and BE the "same as you".

Reporting for standing at the start of the dungeon - that I can understand just fine and in full agreement. The person clearly is here to leech.

Reporting for stopping mid-farming session of one of those "loot cave" farming missions, in pub matchmaking - that's not ok.

It's a PvE game. Nothing wrong with friendly cooperation, including when it comes to loot drops.

This came dangerously close to implying people don't take PvE games seriously. I'm not sure if you were around during Ventrilo, but the ancient Ventrilo meme vids on Youtube, of people screaming and ranting, were from PvE content in WoW. PvE is competitive and serious at times. Perhaps not for you, but for others... yes. Whole heartedly. Or you've just not been in a big guild before, or ever played DnD.

There's a reason anti-cheat has been implemented in PvE games these days.

Originally posted by KitKat:

And yet... again, like I said, "not everyone is same as you". In this case - not as me.

You're right. We're not the same. I don't have the problem you're describing. Ever. From your own admission you're in the middle of repeated farms, no? No one's going to report you... unless you're IN the mission and not doing anything. Given I have literally run these loot cave missions myself, I can say with confidence I've allowed items to accrue in certain areas to more quickly finish them before eventually doing a mass clean up. They don't delete themselves (at least, not for a fairly long time).

Originally posted by KitKat:

People WILL abuse the report system and I'm sure they already ARE doing it. Just because we don't have a proper filter system, that forces us to stop every 2 minutes and go through every single item, in hopes of getting a better roll than a reactor with a launcher/pistol requirement and +one faction damage or wrong element.

This almost falls into the political, honestly. I do not, ever, care about the "potential for a small group of people" to abuse something. I care about how much it is abused, and the alternative: allowing AFKers to go unpunished.

This falls into issues like Vote Kick. These tools may have been abused in the past, but never on any scale that has seemed of concern. In any MMO, server, or otherwise. I'd rather risk the abuse than allow a perpetrator get away with horrid in game etiquette.

Regardless, I appreciate your point of view. I disagree, strongly, but alas.

[Baster]

Originally posted by KitKat:

Originally posted by CLipsAhoii:

- press U on what you want
- Hold shift
- Hold Control
- Then Hold Deez nutz

But what if there's something useful in there? Something with a roll of stats that you want? A treasure among the trash? What, you'll just "Ctrl+A - Delete" it all?

Yep, that's exactly my point. Maybe dissassembling all isn't the problem for guys with 80+ lvl guns, but I'm currently stuck around lvl 40, so almost every gun counts and it's important to me to find something better just to continue the story missions.
Plus I don't know how exactly the mail box working, but i'm sure that's not every piece of equipment goes there after you leave location. For example if you won't grab something that fell from the collossus - you'll lose it for sure, even if you left the area not by yourself.

[Danyel]

Originally posted by AbyssWanderer:

Originally posted by Boss:

Aaah. There it is. The other topic had the same thing and they outed themselves as well.

I have ultimate bunny. There's a few missions I've run for various drops in public that I can do between 32~43 seconds. People join me at times. I've seen your type. The sort that make me, eventually out of irritation, swap to another instance.

You're standing around, aren't you? Letting them run, you trail along picking stuff up. Randomly stop in the middle of the battlefield, but only after doing a quick little tap at an enemy so you make sure you join the mission? Cycle repeat? Of course, the bunny running it can somehow manage their inventory well enough to keep doing it fast, but you? Ah. Can't afford to just take a minute and miss out on two precious missions, eh?

People that exploit others always get defensive about this sort of stuff and resort to insulting others. Strange that. Regardless, the devs have clearly stated this is not okay. I don't know what you think to achieve by going onto the Steam forums and calling people trolls for not agreeing with your stance.

Must be fun talking behind my back huh? You are talking about this post right? Where did I out myself? https://steamcommunity.com/app/2074920/discussions/0/4525638279394572973/?tscn=1721307896

You struggle to understand my English. It is understandable. I have a hard time explaining myself. Accused me of goal posting moving when I offered to even stream you the mission and etc and said I did excuses. I am a Bunny main doing my part. I will go "AFK" to do my inventory in a mission for a minute. The inventory gets filled up to 103 slots very fast. Like someone else said, it is $500 to increase slots.

I carry other players and they carry me. If the next round I do half the mission and then "AFK" in my inventory for the rest of the minute of the two minute mission then what is the problem? It is not my fault they made the game like this. Then you have my full attention on the next 4 missions restarts if that makes sense then what is problem. The other people do it as well. it is part of the game. it is not afking or leeching.

I come from Warframe and not ONCE I heard people complain about someone doing the entire mission wiping the map or leeching like you all call it.

I have helped plenty of people in public sessions with my Sharen whilst AFKing near the 5 minute infiltration missions waiting for them to start and many joined me and AFK'd to get the addition rewards. We are forced to AFK sometimes. Not once I cried and complained. You clearly not far enough in the game, if you were you would have understood my original post I made. All you do is give out jester rewards.

This is a coop game. What are all you PVPers doing here? The game is going away from being a COOP experience because majority of us switching to PRIVATE lobbies out of fear of being falsely banned due to people like yourself. My friend already quit because of the Void Fragment changes they did due to people like yourself because now I can't farm up Void Fragments whilst they are away to help them get ultimates faster which I did publically, I don't care if other people deal 10 DMG against the elites and didn't farm these things, they are going to help other newer players in the future. It is an echo system, we all feed off each other. It is impossible to not have "leeched" once in this game. FFS you can hold E to join mission and guess what you join on the last 5 seconds and get the rewards lol.

PUBLIC sessions is there to receive help and give out help regardless whatever you think is leeching is or not. Go private if it bothers you so much. Clearly you're public for a reason, as in you know they are helping you clear these missions because you can't do them yourself, you clearly not there to help people. EVERYONE IS DOING THEIR PART. I don't care if you inventory manage, "leech" on missions. I will still play on. The problem is the people that purpose sabotage mission like control area mission where you have to inside the zone or the people that just use up all the reviews on purpose in Hard Collosi fights by jumping off the map constantly or do the same in the 21 waves content that takes 45 minutes to do to lose the final double rewards

This 110%, people that don't understand this are going to ruin it for the rest of us.

[FreeQ]

Here´s what I do: Before I start a mission (or several) I´ll make sure I have enough space and only take with me what I need because I don´t want that stress. If your inventory is like 60,70, 80 % full at the beginning of course you´ll have trouble with that during missions. As you know being AFK is a serious topic at the moment and many people are just sick of that. Even if you "only" need to check your inventory the argument will come why you don´t do that before missions and you´ll risk getting reported.

[Boss]

Originally posted by AbyssWanderer:

This is a coop game. What are all you PVPers doing here? The game is going away from being a COOP experience because majority of us switching to PRIVATE lobbies out of fear of being falsely banned due to people like yourself. My friend already quit because of the Void Fragment changes they did due to people like yourself because now I can't farm up Void Fragments whilst they are away to help them get ultimates faster which I did publically,

You're ranting. And I'm not going to sit here for more hours ripping apart what I already ripped apart in your discussion you started.

The problem you're describing doesn't exist, because I'm in coop all the time and we're all doing fine. This is a You problem, not a Me problem. Don't contribute, don't benefit. Do not join a mission you're planning to spend sorting inventory. Is this... is this genuinely the conversation we're having? Do you HEAR yourself?

And your... what? Anecdotal stuff now? Your friend QUIT because he wanted you to do all the work for him? I'd uh. Get better friends mate.

Of course, this isn't true unless... Oh right. You weren't doing this in a private session with them in your party, were you? No. You were doing this in public, and lassoed two other people into a three man with a leecher instead of a four man contributor party.

Lemme make this abundantly clear:

I am not your friend. I do not want to be your friend. I am not your resource. You do not get to use me for your own benefit. The end. In fact, apply this to life and not just games.

Originally posted by AbyssWanderer:

I can't farm up Void Fragments whilst they are away to help them get ultimates faster which I did publically[/b]

Oh god. I reread this and understand now.

You're... you're actually talking about Void Share. I spent... ungodly amount of time farming void shards. Hoping to group, so we could each expend 1/4th the shards. Only to get people with zero shards to come by and try to leech instead of share in the pain of grinding.

You mentioned Warframe. Funny that. Imagine Void Relics except people could join (without your awareness) and choose your relic instead of bringing their own and increasing the drop chances for everyone.

Imagine that. Because that was what we were dealing with prior to the recent change to reactors.

[Carne Padre]

Why can't you manage your loot before a mission? OR before restarting the next level? Your inventory does not get full after 1 run.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by Igloo:

Why can't you manage your loot before a mission? OR before restarting the next level? Your inventory does not get full after 1 run.

It does get full after 4-5 runs that only take up 30 seconds each.

[Boss]

Originally posted by KitKat:

Originally posted by Igloo:

Why can't you manage your loot before a mission? OR before restarting the next level? Your inventory does not get full after 1 run.

It does get full after 4-5 runs that only take up 30 seconds each.

If they take only 30 seconds each, then don't run it until you clear your inventory?

[Kapy]

skill issue.

[AbyssWanderer]

Originally posted by Boss:

Originally posted by AbyssWanderer:

This is a coop game. What are all you PVPers doing here? The game is going away from being a COOP experience because majority of us switching to PRIVATE lobbies out of fear of being falsely banned due to people like yourself. My friend already quit because of the Void Fragment changes they did due to people like yourself because now I can't farm up Void Fragments whilst they are away to help them get ultimates faster which I did publically,

You're ranting. And I'm not going to sit here for more hours ripping apart what I already ripped apart in your discussion you started.

The problem you're describing doesn't exist, because I'm in coop all the time and we're all doing fine. This is a You problem, not a Me problem. Don't contribute, don't benefit. Do not join a mission you're planning to spend sorting inventory. Is this... is this genuinely the conversation we're having? Do you HEAR yourself?

And your... what? Anecdotal stuff now? Your friend QUIT because he wanted you to do all the work for him? I'd uh. Get better friends mate.

Of course, this isn't true unless... Oh right. You weren't doing this in a private session with them in your party, were you? No. You were doing this in public, and lassoed two other people into a three man with a leecher instead of a four man contributor party.

Lemme make this abundantly clear:

I am not your friend. I do not want to be your friend. I am not your resource. You do not get to use me for your own benefit. The end. In fact, apply this to life and not just games.

You say I am ranting but you are ranting as well. Saying you're not here to make friends. It is an online COOP game. Go play single player or Peer2Peer Coop games. This week's reactor farm mission, I will farm it solo and in under 10 minutes my inventory will go from 0 to 103. Why do I want to teleport constantly back and forth, waste more time when it takes a minute to do my inventory and it makes the mission slower for the other players because now they lose a 4th that helped.

I am not using Anecdotal stuff. He did quit. Like I told you. You are probably not even that far in the game. Did not reach end game farming yet. We do the Infiltration missions to get the Amorphous together. They take 5 minutes to reset unless you constantly teleport but then you end up in a zone where it is still 5 minutes wasting time hunting for sub 2 minutes spawns. Once we get enough we go farm the Void Fragments which he doesn't have all the elements ready yet for these. So when he was at work I pre-farmed because how the system worked before it doesn't matter if one person does it all. It just speeds up farming for both of us anyway. Then I let him also farm other missions solo whilst I get us ready with the Void Fragments too when he was playing.