Focus on XYZ vs. XYZ Master

[Riepah]

Is there any reason to pick Fire Master, Electric Master etc. over Focus on Fire, Focus on Electric and so on?
It appears to me as though the Focus on... modules come with a higher bonus to elemental skill power and also the added benefit of decreasing cooldowns by 6.1%, while the ...Master modules come with skill power and much less elemental skill power - both of which add up to less than the elemental skill power the Focus on... modules give.

Is there any reason why, say, a Blair would pick +11% skill power and +5% fire skill power over +19% fire skill power and -6.1% cooldown?

As far as I can tell, the Focus on... modules seem strictly better than the ...Master modules. Am I missing something?

[Andham]

I am wondering the same thing. It seems even at the max upgrades, 'Focus on [element]' still is above '[Element] Master'.
Both mods are 'Battle' type mods, so we can't stack them. There should be a reason to use the "[_] Master" mod vs the "Focus on [_]" mod.
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As i was writing this i noticed something odd. All the '[_] Master' mods are 'Battle' type, while 'Focus on [_]' has two different types. Battle Focus has: Chill, Electric, etc. and Attack Focus has: Tech, Singular, etc.
I don't know if this is on purpose or oversight/bug.

[Danyel]

Focus on electric gives: electric skill power 77.2%, skill cool down -6.1%

While electric specialist gives: electric skill power 81.2%.

I don't have electric master to check it out but base it gives I do believe: Skill Power +11%, Skill Electric Power +5%

[Boss]

Some of these mods are just bad... except for certain characters. I had to use non focus mods for Freyna to actually get her DoT to do any damage.

[Noop]

Guys pls, you cant just slap the same mods on together. You have to use different types of mods and you can use both focus and master at the same time while you can't use 2x master, and even if you could you would get diminishing returns so you want to use different modifiers anyways.
So if you want your abilities do deal damage you better use both.

[Shyba]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Noop:

Guys pls, you cant just slap the same mods on together. You have to use different types of mods and you can use both focus and master at the same time while you can't use 2x master, and even if you could you would get diminishing returns so you want to use different modifiers anyways.
So if you want your abilities do deal damage you better use both.

nah it depends on the type of the master/focus/specialist

elemental ones are all battle and flat skill power but the type ones are split battle/attack and tend to be all Skill power MODIFIER

Focus tends to be better just cause of the CD but straight damage a specialist mod would do more if elemental (and if tech/fusion etc you would run both unless you are something like Viessa who gets barely any benefit from a SPM boost)

master mods are weird though it's a split bonus so it's a boost to a boost but even then it falls just short of Focus and it's far behind specialist mods on straight damage.. so why do they even exist??

[★ MintBrando]

some of them give specifically 1 thing over the other, and others give buffs to other stats like cd skill cost ect. its really whatever you want to use

[Rooxon]

The way I play it on Bunny is Electric master + Focus on Singular (the nuke subtype).

[Riepah]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rooxon:

I don't have electric master to check it out but base it gives I do believe: Skill Power +11%, Skill Electric Power +5%

Electric Master at max gives:

Skill Power + 44.4%
Electric Skill Power + 19%

Which appears to be worse than Focus on Electric's:

Electric Skill Power +77.2%
Skill Cooldown -6.1%

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rooxon:

The way I play it on Bunny is Electric master + Focus on Singular (the nuke subtype).

Why not Focus on Electric + Focus on Singular? They go together, and Focus on Electric seems plain better than Electric Master.

[ThePhonyOne]

The different Skill Power bonuses from Modules are multiplicative with each other. You are giving up a 5.364% Skill Power bonus for 6.1% Cooldown.

Focus on Fire - 1.772
Fire Master - 1.444 × 1.19 = 1.71836

1.772 - 1.71836 = 0.05364

[Rogue]

Why don't you go and use the lab and do some testing?

You might want bigger dot or bigger single hit, or faster skill rotation, who knows your playstyle.

[Riepah]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ThePhonyOne:

Focus on Fire - 1.772
Fire Master - 1.444 × 1.19 = 1.71836

1.772 - 1.71836 = 0.05364

I am sorry, maybe I am derping here, but doesn't this math prove that Focus on Fire is still better? Isn't this 0.05364 in favour of Focus on Fire - and then it still has the cooldown reduction on top?

[Riepah]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rogue:

Why don't you go and use the lab and do some testing?

You might want bigger dot or bigger single hit, or faster skill rotation, who knows your playstyle.

Good idea. I just did - I don't have both modules maxed, so I compared Focus on Electric and Electric Master on level 1.
The result is that Focus on Electric yields higher damage. And then there's the cooldown reduction on top.

On Sharen's Cutoff Beam:

12345 per tick with Electric Master
12367 per tick with Focus on Electric

It looks like the ...Master modules simply stink in comparison to the Focus on... modules. I have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

[[UNQL]Tango]

I really felt bad after spending a tons of Kuiper to level up a Rare mod for nothing. I don't see any advantages versus a simple Normal one either.

Electric Specialist (Normal) - 81.2% Electric skill bonus
Electric Master (Rare) - +44.4 Skill Bonus, +19% Electric bonus