devs, you need to fix your manipulated drop rates..

[[FoRcE]army_guy3]

Your weigh system you set up to dynamically control drop rates isn't working properly.. Or someone really messed up when applying the weights.

The freyna cell from "the shelter" is at a very low applied rate. I get that nexon is shady and just can't help themselves from doing this in every game.. but at least program it correctly..

Current calculated probability of NOT getting this drop for me with the amount of runs I've done is 0.01661534994731148%

Do you realize how insane it is to continue to make the claim that you aren't using weights to modify drop rates from the displayed amounts?

Are you seriously still going to claim it is a 20% drop chance?

[Irot Noot]

Ugg, this again..
RNG is RNG. A 20% drop rate is an 80% not drop rate. Each and every time.

[Knight Diver]

Lol you guys are really beating a dead horse at this point.
Of all the thousands and thousands who play this game maybe only a couple hundred of you guys ever complain about the RNG. You just have bad luck.

[Nex]

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Ugg, this again..
RNG is RNG. A 20% drop rate is an 80% not drop rate. Each and every time.

Maple Story :)

[Irot Noot]

Originally posted by Nex:

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Ugg, this again..
RNG is RNG. A 20% drop rate is an 80% not drop rate. Each and every time.

Maple Story :)

So what.. This is The First Descendant. That was then, this is now. They got caught, paid their fines and are being watched by the same groups that previously sued them. Parroting "Maple Story" like it means anything at all now is weird to me.

[Barron Trump]

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Originally posted by Nex:

Maple Story :)

So what.. This is The First Descendant. That was then, this is now. They got caught, paid their fines and are being watched by the same groups that previously sued them. Parroting "Maple Story" like it means anything at all now is weird to me.

This is not a really good argument because big companies keep getting fined every year for the same damn things but they do not care. As long as they generate more profits while breaking said law to pay the fine, they do not care.

Manipulating RNGs is a way to increase shop sales and there are many video games that do this. Specially, gacha games where RNG is the main gameplay loop. Now, whether Nexon got scared by the fine or not, that is another topic.

[Irot Noot]

Originally posted by Barron Trump:

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

So what.. This is The First Descendant. That was then, this is now. They got caught, paid their fines and are being watched by the same groups that previously sued them. Parroting "Maple Story" like it means anything at all now is weird to me.

This is not a really good argument because big companies keep getting fined every year for the same damn things but they do not care. As long as they generate more profits while breaking said law to pay the fine, they do not care.

Manipulating RNGs is a way to increase shop sales and there are many video games that do this. Specially, gacha games where RNG is the main gameplay loop. Now, whether Nexon got scared by the fine or not, that is another topic.

Have they been fined again?

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by Barron Trump:

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

So what.. This is The First Descendant. That was then, this is now. They got caught, paid their fines and are being watched by the same groups that previously sued them. Parroting "Maple Story" like it means anything at all now is weird to me.

This is not a really good argument because big companies keep getting fined every year for the same damn things but they do not care. As long as they generate more profits while breaking said law to pay the fine, they do not care.

Manipulating RNGs is a way to increase shop sales and there are many video games that do this. Specially, gacha games where RNG is the main gameplay loop. Now, whether Nexon got scared by the fine or not, that is another topic.

So by your logic. They are manipulating the enhanced cells of freyna, to try and promote people buying her for 300 caliper (6 dollars.) When infact, it is jsut RNG. If you don't get used to it now, you won't make it far in TFD. Everything is RNG, it's a grind game. You aren't opening a 10 dollar lottery box.

[Lyote]

Originally posted by Nex:

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Ugg, this again..
RNG is RNG. A 20% drop rate is an 80% not drop rate. Each and every time.

Maple Story :)

Maple story issue was a flat removal of the item in question from a paid lootbox.

Not a reduction in chance, just gone.

The game has no way of knowing you're there for a Sharen part.

20% is 20%.
I spent an hour doing 6 minute runs to get the 20% Fallen Hope blueprint.

Got 2 of them in 5 runs when I used the same mission later to farm blue brains for a different thing. Its working fine.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by B R O K E N:

The problem is, in people's minds. 20% sounds like a big number.

When I went for my Viessa ult code yesterday. No matter where I went, it was 10%, so I was like "Welp, is what it is." Even with the stabilizer, I was pulling the 32% item at the bottom (36% with the shape stabilizer.) and I just didn't give up. Took 9 attempts, got the code. Now the final piece is 6%. The way I look at it? Just farm it. If you get it, you get it, don't pay attention to %'s lol.

[Barron Trump]

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Originally posted by Barron Trump:

This is not a really good argument because big companies keep getting fined every year for the same damn things but they do not care. As long as they generate more profits while breaking said law to pay the fine, they do not care.

Manipulating RNGs is a way to increase shop sales and there are many video games that do this. Specially, gacha games where RNG is the main gameplay loop. Now, whether Nexon got scared by the fine or not, that is another topic.

Have they been fined again?

This is not something easily demonstrable like Amazon is bullying their workers. You need millions of data points to prove that RNG manipulation is somehow involved.

This whole MapleStory drop rate manipulation even goes back as far as 2011. It took more than a decade to reach a resolution. They got fined on January 2024 so it has just been a bit more than half a year. These types of things because it is virtual take lots of years to preparate. If Nexon ever gets fined it is going to be in many years.

Also, let's not forget that they may have created a new RNG system to avoid detection. As a reminder they have that so called dynamic RNG patent or whatever its name is.

Do not trust companies.

[Medicles]

Yeah, i needed like 20 Ruins Path runs to get the Freyna item that apparently has a 20% droprate. Thats not unlucky, its highly unlikely. Every other game with those chances give the item at most, at the absolute most, on 10 tries.

[Irot Noot]

Originally posted by Barron Trump:

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Have they been fined again?

This is not something easily demonstrable like Amazon is bullying their workers. You need millions of data points to prove that RNG manipulation is somehow involved.

This whole MapleStory drop rate manipulation even goes back as far as 2011. It took more than a decade to reach a resolution. They got fined on January 2024 so it has just been a bit more than half a year. These types of things because it is virtual take lots of years to preparate. If Nexon ever gets fined it is going to be in many years.

Also, let's not forget that they may have created a new RNG system to avoid detection. As a reminder they have that so called dynamic RNG patent or whatever its name is.

Do not trust companies.

So no then. The Maple Story drop rate manipulation was not rigging the drop rate, they rigged it to ZERO so, yea.. not the same thing at all..

[Irot Noot]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Yeah, i needed like 20 Ruins Path runs to get the Freyna item that apparently has a 20% droprate. Thats not unlucky, its highly unlikely. Every other game with those chances give the item at most, at the absolute most, on 10 tries.

Plug your 20% into here and see that 21 runs to get 99% chance. Your experience is right in line with the numbers..

https://dropchance.app/

[Barron Trump]

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Originally posted by Barron Trump:

This is not something easily demonstrable like Amazon is bullying their workers. You need millions of data points to prove that RNG manipulation is somehow involved.

This whole MapleStory drop rate manipulation even goes back as far as 2011. It took more than a decade to reach a resolution. They got fined on January 2024 so it has just been a bit more than half a year. These types of things because it is virtual take lots of years to preparate. If Nexon ever gets fined it is going to be in many years.

Also, let's not forget that they may have created a new RNG system to avoid detection. As a reminder they have that so called dynamic RNG patent or whatever its name is.

Do not trust companies.

So no then. The Maple Story drop rate manipulation was not rigging the drop rate, they rigged it to ZERO so, yea.. not the same thing at all..

Yes, that is even worse.
0% yet it took more than 10 years to fine them.
Now, imagine if the RNG manipulation is more subtle.
It can be pretty much impossible to detect.

Also, to make it clear, I am not saying that Nexon is rigging the drop rates.
But just proving how easily they can do it and get away with it.

[ⒺⒹⒼⒾⓃⒼ]

Originally posted by Nex:

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

Ugg, this again..
RNG is RNG. A 20% drop rate is an 80% not drop rate. Each and every time.

Maple Story :)

shhhh don't anger the monkeys they will alllllllll come out then.
also this type of player is the same kind of person to think ''dr.pdfile'' is innocent and welcomes his return as if nothing happened LOL

don't waste your breath...better luck talking to a wall and get a better argument