When are they going to fix the DROP RATE?

[Rudolf]

I am farming thunder cage and each part has 20% drop rate from the quest. However, the 3rd part I farmed over 50 times and didn't get any drop. There are a bunch of other examples with 20 or 25% drop rate that didn't drop over 10 or 20 times.

[BEOWULF]

After they add breast jiggle physics for the females

[MercuryRising]

I'll put it to you like this, I had 4 Thunder Cages in about 4 hours, but it took me 2 days to get 4 Fallen Hopes.
Both weapons have a component drop of 20%, but you have to think that this means you have an 80% chance to get no component each run.
My best advice is to just take a break and come back another time if you feel the drop rate isn't being "fair", it will make a difference in the feelings and fun of the game, hence why it took me 2 days for Fallen Hope.

[Celkat]

also stabilizers dont work for ♥♥♥♥. everytime i use one it gives me the most common drop despite it being lessened. its fixed and rigged

[Synthx]

Yea getting Energy Activator blueprints b2b is annoying when i was looking for the 32% drop rate instead they need to have another look on some of these rates

[Rudolf]

Originally posted by MercuryRising:

I'll put it to you like this, I had 4 Thunder Cages in about 4 hours, but it took me 2 days to get 4 Fallen Hopes.
Both weapons have a component drop of 20%, but you have to think that this means you have an 80% chance to get no component each run.
My best advice is to just take a break and come back another time if you feel the drop rate isn't being "fair", it will make a difference in the feelings and fun of the game, hence why it took me 2 days for Fallen Hope.

I agree with your point but this doesn't change the fact that they have problem with those drop rates and based on their history, I am not suprised if they have some hidden drop rate and what shows to you is just some camouflage.

[Fenrir]

just jumping in and grabbing a seat before the armchair mathematicians come in to explain "probability" to you, OP

we've had a lot of threads like this pop up lately and there are always a handful of guys using Japanese math that seem to believe it's perfectly acceptable for you to go 10, 20, or even 50 runs without seeing a mat that has a 20% drop rate, lol

[Monk]

There is nothing wrong with the drop rate, it's rng and you are getting unlucky.

20% chance also was 80% chance gir it not to drop.

[JVonD]

Originally posted by Monk:

There is nothing wrong with the drop rate, it's rng and you are getting unlucky.

20% chance also was 80% chance gir it not to drop.

Nope it's rater bugged or rigged. It's always the same parts being reported from mission rewards that is unusually very high according to the drop % posted.

"The Korea Fair Trade Commission (KFTC) tests for manipulated drop rates by examining the game’s internal data, player logs, and comparing them with the disclosed probabilities. They conduct audits and investigations, which may include reviewing the code and databases of the game. If discrepancies are found between the published drop rates and the actual in-game probabilities, the KFTC can determine that manipulation has occurred. They also consider player complaints and reports as part of their investigative process."

So anyone saying everyone is having "just bad luck" clearly don't know what they are talking about when it's the same items being reported on mass scale.

[Missy-Bee]

The drop rate is a probability. Understanding probabilities and well you'll figure it out. There is never a guarantee unless it's 100%. https://dropchance.app/

[AI NPC]

its a hardcore grinding game, they aren't going to change it unless the Korean player base is complaining. Sometimes you'll get drops fast, sometimes you won't get it at all. I just ignore the percentage and say ok ill get one of these things, trying to farm a specific thing in this type of game is a mistake and will drive you nuts. If you can't deal with the grind you can buy the descendants. The ultimate weapons are a diff story.

[Monk]

Originally posted by JVonD:

Originally posted by Monk:

There is nothing wrong with the drop rate, it's rng and you are getting unlucky.

20% chance also was 80% chance gir it not to drop.

Nope it's rater bugged or rigged. It's always the same parts being reported from mission rewards that is unusually very high according to the drop % posted.

"The Korea Fair Trade Commission (KFTC) tests for manipulated drop rates by examining the game’s internal data, player logs, and comparing them with the disclosed probabilities. They conduct audits and investigations, which may include reviewing the code and databases of the game. If discrepancies are found between the published drop rates and the actual in-game probabilities, the KFTC can determine that manipulation has occurred. They also consider player complaints and reports as part of their investigative process."

So anyone saying everyone is having "just bad luck" clearly don't know what they are talking about when it's the same items being reported on mass scale.

It's not though and hundreds of thousands do t go on bad luck spree's.

All you are seeing is confirmation bias.

You are having bad luck, if you are even being honest about your attempts.

It sucks, but that's RNG for you.

Heck, I had to make 70 runs to get a, 15% chance mod, my mate got it first time, there is no conspiracy theory, that they hit caught once (this is a huge company, it was one part of said company) actually makes it far less likely to do so again, especially for such random items that they don't even stand to profit from.

I shirt, you are tinfoil hat level of conspiracy theorising becayse of bad luck.

Use an ounce of common sense and you'll see they would have no benefit abd only risk and expense from doing what you are claiming.

[Lapdog]

Yep, going dry sucks. It happens. I come from Runescape and I've been there. Going dry on a 20% item is crazy unlucky though.

They really need to add bad luck mitigation. For cases like this. After a certain number of runs, It should be a guaranteed drop.

[Fenrir]

Originally posted by Monk:

Originally posted by JVonD:

Nope it's rater bugged or rigged. It's always the same parts being reported from mission rewards that is unusually very high according to the drop % posted.

"The Korea Fair Trade Commission (KFTC) tests for manipulated drop rates by examining the game’s internal data, player logs, and comparing them with the disclosed probabilities. They conduct audits and investigations, which may include reviewing the code and databases of the game. If discrepancies are found between the published drop rates and the actual in-game probabilities, the KFTC can determine that manipulation has occurred. They also consider player complaints and reports as part of their investigative process."

So anyone saying everyone is having "just bad luck" clearly don't know what they are talking about when it's the same items being reported on mass scale.

It's not though and hundreds of thousands do t go on bad luck spree's.

All you are seeing is confirmation bias.

You are having bad luck, if you are even being honest about your attempts.

It sucks, but that's RNG for you.

Heck, I had to make 70 runs to get a, 15% chance mod, my mate got it first time, there is no conspiracy theory, that they hit caught once (this is a huge company, it was one part of said company) actually makes it far less likely to do so again, especially for such random items that they don't even stand to profit from.

I shirt, you are tinfoil hat level of conspiracy theorising becayse of bad luck.

Use an ounce of common sense and you'll see they would have no benefit abd only risk and expense from doing what you are claiming.

brother, companies of gacha games have been guilty of manipulating rates only to turn around and get caught again a few years later, lol

I wouldn't be surprised if it was happening again with this company

it has been a few years since their last incident, so we're right on course for a new game with new problems

also, stop coping with "confirmation bias" when you have multiple people reporting similar things, lol

it's only confirmation bias when it's just some random dude this is happening to

just go run a search for 20% right now and see how many threads pop up

there's obviously something going on with THAT specific drop rate, but I couldn't tell you what it is

it's suspicious af that players are able to farm out the more rare drops (multiple, no less) when farming for the supposedly "higher" drop rate

"haha, it's okay if you don't get it after 50 runs, it's only 20%, bro"

lol no

if I had to guess, I'd say a pseudo algorithm is at work (FFXIV is guilty of this as well, claiming you'll succeed at 80%, but you'll miss 5 times in a row or something, which the odds of happening is ASTRONOMICALLY low, so it's more probable the "probability" is just for visual/aesthetic purposes just so you have a number to see on your end)

[Phares]

I'ma just quote myself from another thread:

Originally posted by Phares:

Whether or not they're rigging the drop rates, no one can deny we got a lot of people claiming probability is whack.
If these are all edge cases of the 0.0001% of the playerbase who are simply THAT unlucky, then push for Bad Luck Protection instead wasting energy yelling about stuff no one can prove.

Bad Luck Protection won't need proof or testing, and bare minimum it'll get rid of all these edge cases.
If it gets implemented, then we suddenly see a lack of people complaining about drop rates in the forum, then it was the edge cases talking.

No math required.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Fenrir:

Originally posted by Monk:

It's not though and hundreds of thousands do t go on bad luck spree's.

All you are seeing is confirmation bias.

You are having bad luck, if you are even being honest about your attempts.

It sucks, but that's RNG for you.

Heck, I had to make 70 runs to get a, 15% chance mod, my mate got it first time, there is no conspiracy theory, that they hit caught once (this is a huge company, it was one part of said company) actually makes it far less likely to do so again, especially for such random items that they don't even stand to profit from.

I shirt, you are tinfoil hat level of conspiracy theorising becayse of bad luck.

Use an ounce of common sense and you'll see they would have no benefit abd only risk and expense from doing what you are claiming.

brother, companies of gacha games have been guilty of manipulating rates only to turn around and get caught again a few years later, lol

I wouldn't be surprised if it was happening again with this company

it has been a few years since their last incident, so we're right on course for a new game with new problems

also, stop coping with "confirmation bias" when you have multiple people reporting similar things, lol

it's only confirmation bias when it's just some random dude this is happening to

just go run a search for 20% right now and see how many threads pop up

there's obviously something going on with THAT specific drop rate, but I couldn't tell you what it is

it's suspicious af that players are able to farm out the more rare drops (multiple, no less) when farming for the supposedly "higher" drop rate

"haha, it's okay if you don't get it after 50 runs, it's only 20%, bro"

lol no

if I had to guess, I'd say a pseudo algorithm is at work (FFXIV is guilty of this as well, claiming you'll succeed at 80%, but you'll miss 5 times in a row or something, which the odds of happening is ASTRONOMICALLY low, so it's more probable the "probability" is just for visual/aesthetic purposes just so you have a number to see on your end)

Again though, in those cases they were profiting, they had something to gain for the risk they took.

What you are missing here is there is no gain for them to make, the OP is talking about the thundercage, they gain nothing by manipulating it's drop rate but would risk millions in fines and potentially hundreds of millions in profits when it was discovered by people quiting.

Just apply basic common sense to see if the claims make any sense at all.