Infiltration is absurb

[Mister Sir]

I know it's korean game, I know it's free to play game, but I don't think that this should be an excuse for how tedious some things are.

Look, I do not expect to be able to grind out ult descendant in half a day or anything but game got so much materials you got to go grind to then go use them somewhere else to then have % chance to obtain what you even need... but all that pales in comparison to infiltrations in my opinion.

Full disclaimer, yes I have sharen, yes I know how to do them, yes I half way building ult valby via infiltration method, but damn is it absurd. Whose idea was it to lock one of the two possible amorph mat that drops descendant parts behind a mechanic that requires you to have the only character that uses stealth and then have you grind missions to have 25% chance of getting it while other people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up for you or game itself decides you to force party you via teleporting your ass to your team mate, breaking your invis and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the infiltration?

I don't even wanna hear about work arounds for it, because this should not be a thing to begin with. Getting amorph mats for collossi bosses takes considerably longer time, so the fact that there another one right there but you need to use a character with gimmic to get it while game trying to ♥♥♥♥ you on every turn is pretty bald design decision.

[Max]

Same here my ult gley is in research for 10 hours and I'm not going farm another because theses inflation and outpost, at least they should make like spicial operation when you can pick anything you hf.

[Delerium75]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I managed to farm the parts for Ult Valby in one afternooon. The only slightly tedious part was spamming Haven infils to get the 160+ Fusion thingies, plus waiting for three days to complete all the research.

I tend not to grind for ANYTHING in TFD unless I really feel like it, so I've yet to experience any frustrations when it comes to dealing with RNG.

[😎Astran😾]

Korean developers believe their players aren't grinding hard enough during their daytime jobs so they must grind even more while playing. It's ike the whole Korean culture built on idea that greed grind is good

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Delerium75:

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I managed to farm the parts for Ult Valby in one afternooon. The only slightly tedious part was spamming Haven infils to get the 160+ Fusion thingies, plus waiting for three days to complete all the research.

I tend not to grind for ANYTHING in TFD unless I really feel like it, so I've yet to experience any frustrations when it comes to dealing with RNG.

Thats for sure luck, spent half the day to get half the parts but thats not even a point. The fact that you need a special character to use special invis to get special parts if you want any semblance of reasonable time investment rather than taking way slower route, is just insane. On top with jank mechanics where you can be seen if your invis was running out and you hid a way a second before going visible, or enemies walking out of outpost and seeing you (in case you do not have maxed out power duration and got to do 2 diactivations, hide, wait for invis go off cd and use it again to take care of other two barrels or w/e the fk those are).

[Dr. Peppermill]

Yep, it’s stupid design, Sharen with relatively good cloaking duration is the only way to obtain some AM.

The other thing that sucks is the high amount of void shards required for reactors. Fortunately the void shards grind will be patched in the next update.

[Pocahawtness]

Originally posted by Dr. Peppermill:

Yep, it’s stupid design, Sharen with relatively good cloaking duration is the only way to obtain some AM.

The other thing that sucks is the high amount of void shards required for reactors. Fortunately the void shards grind will be patched in the next update.

I'm bored to death at the moment. The only remaining items I have to get are ALL locked behind Outposts. Oh, they are so, so boring.

It's such a shame. Sharen is an interesting character they needed to develop, yet all they could come up with is Outposts??

If you do the Special Operations the shards aren't a problem. I have literally thousands of each type.

[vishuspuss]

the last thing i have to unlock is esiemo code... 6%

its behind an outpost BUT you dont need sharen to snag the amp.

it doesnt make it any better or faster lol. outpost farming suckssss

[ceil]

Originally posted by vishuspuss:

the last thing i have to unlock is esiemo code... 6%

its behind an outpost BUT you dont need sharen to snag the amp.

it doesnt make it any better or faster lol. outpost farming suckssss

Had to look up Esiemo Code sources, it's actually doubly messed up... Multiple sources as usual, but all from the outposts, and all in the 3% slot. Here I thought the prospect of getting to HM Dead Bride for Luna Code was bad (...but I did finally get hers from outpost farming heh). Esiemo's a long grind with no real options ._.

[vishuspuss]

Originally posted by ceil:

Originally posted by vishuspuss:

the last thing i have to unlock is esiemo code... 6%

its behind an outpost BUT you dont need sharen to snag the amp.

it doesnt make it any better or faster lol. outpost farming suckssss

Had to look up Esiemo Code sources, it's actually doubly messed up... Multiple sources as usual, but all from the outposts, and all in the 3% slot. Here I thought the prospect of getting to HM Dead Bride for Luna Code was bad (...but I did finally get hers from outpost farming heh). Esiemo's a long grind with no real options ._.

yeah theres a reason why you never seen esiemo in albion... super rare unicorn

[Delphinus]

Sharen is alright i love her sneaky sneaky action >.>

[GrailQuest]

Oh you mean Outposts.
Infiltrations are the "dungeon runs".

Without fixing any of my Sharen slots I can solo just about all of them, though some are messier than others. I have two good guns levelled so obviously that helps but I typically use ThunderCage.

Actually I find Outposts relaxing because I usually go Private Instance. The RNG is stupid and sometimes you don't get drops for a very long time but they did shorten the respawn time from 5 min to 1 min.

Seriously the first thing you should do even before investing in any descendent is to get yourself a really solidly built gun to carry you through any content no matter what descendent you are using.
Thunder Cage is the most broken one. Not the best for colossus but it can still get the job done -- I could clear Hard Mode solo-able colossus with my Thunder Cage. Not fast but possible, and with descendents with no Energy Activators or assigned slots.
I use this versatile build https://gq-game-mods.blogspot.com/2024/07/tfd-thunder-cage-build.html

[GrailQuest]

Originally posted by vishuspuss:

yeah theres a reason why you never seen esiemo in albion... super rare unicorn

Or maybe because they are stupid to play and people just level them for Mastery XP and just forget it.
I grinded one out (I wanted every descendent) and every single skill has a long time delay. By the time your bombs from your first skill explode, Bunny has already killed everything in this room and the next two.

[liftn3]

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

I know it's korean game, I know it's free to play game, but I don't think that this should be an excuse for how tedious some things are.

Look, I do not expect to be able to grind out ult descendant in half a day or anything but game got so much materials you got to go grind to then go use them somewhere else to then have % chance to obtain what you even need... but all that pales in comparison to infiltrations in my opinion.

Full disclaimer, yes I have sharen, yes I know how to do them, yes I half way building ult valby via infiltration method, but damn is it absurd. Whose idea was it to lock one of the two possible amorph mat that drops descendant parts behind a mechanic that requires you to have the only character that uses stealth and then have you grind missions to have 25% chance of getting it while other people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up for you or game itself decides you to force party you via teleporting your ass to your team mate, breaking your invis and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the infiltration?

I don't even wanna hear about work arounds for it, because this should not be a thing to begin with. Getting amorph mats for collossi bosses takes considerably longer time, so the fact that there another one right there but you need to use a character with gimmic to get it while game trying to ♥♥♥♥ you on every turn is pretty bald design decision.

They had to do SOMETHING for stealth before the 'this game needs a stealth character' rants. However, the outposts seem to be the only good use for Sharen imho, can't really get close enough to collosi, I suppose going stealth and sniping COULD work but nothing in the game really stands still long enough without trying to kill you. Her 'ambush' doesn't have a timer so I'm not really sure how long it works or if it works at all. Just says attacking from this mode goes into ambush 100% damage...okay but for how long? I look for an icon when i run outposts and attack from stealth but I don't see it...

Anyway, I feel your concern, putting AM under a stealth mechanic/character is not QoL gameplay. I'm old and for me I think its all about money. New game...need to pay for start up costs/loans/payroll/utilities/equipment etc. So the premise is to put a lot of things(cosmetics, Ults, upgrade mats) in the cash shop and hope people open their wallet which is happening. Put the Ultimates in a high grind/low drop mechanics to push sales in the cash shop...by also putting more skimpy ♥♥♥♥ on the females to pull more pervs.

Sharen has no real skimpy skin...she's fused to her suit or something right? Anyway she can still be bought in the cash shop if a player's frustration gets the best of them and they want to skip the grind. 'All about the Benjamins baby". They are reading some of our ideas/complaints/suggestions/bug reports etc. but like it says in their universal reply...we hear you but don't expect an immediate change.

Some of the high percentage ultimate drops are in those last few HM collosi, go figure. Now some who really don't WANT to pay are calling for all these carries/help for HM bosses for Ults and whatever else.

I think once they get their finances under control there COULD be some QoL improvements, they have to eat like the rest of us, pay for gas, or whatever, baby sitter lol, server maintenance, AC bills, takes money to run a business even if they work from home there's still some 'paying the piper' to keep your business afloat.

[Kalieko]

Originally posted by Delerium75:

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I managed to farm the parts for Ult Valby in one afternooon. The only slightly tedious part was spamming Haven infils to get the 160+ Fusion thingies, plus waiting for three days to complete all the research.

I tend not to grind for ANYTHING in TFD unless I really feel like it, so I've yet to experience any frustrations when it comes to dealing with RNG.

You did not farm 100+ amorphous, do all the bosses/reactor unlocks/farm the void shards to unlock said amorphous in one night to get gley. Maybe in two days, but nice lie.

[Rogue]

You want it now, yesterday, instantly. Noted. Carry on.