I absolutely hate the grinding in this game. THIS. NEED. TO. CHANGE.

[Anonymous]

I honestly don't mind the grind if it's fair to me but the reactor farming is extremely ridiculous. It's probably the WORST aspect of this game.

First, you have to go and farm your desired Amorphous from it's designated outpost. 25% for a detected Amorphous is already stupid. The stealth one is even worse, You have 5%-25% to get it. You could sitting there all day doing the same thing over and over and over and you get nothing. That's the RNG wall number 1.

Second, after you got your precious Amorphous, you need to farm void shards to open the reactor and fight elite mobs. That's also annoying since the Void Fragment need specific element to damage it and some descendants are faster than the others. Basically every Electric Void Fragment is the fastest because you can use Bunny. The second is Non-Attribute because of Valby's spawn kill. Everything else is a chore to do.

Lastly and this is your second RNG wall, once you have enough void shards, you go open the reactor and fight elite mobs and once you're done, you open your amorphous. Assuming you're trying to get, let's say Ultimate Gley, all of her parts are 6% drop, which is f***ing Bulls***, by the way. if it didn't drop. You have to do EVERYTHING ALL OVER AGAIN.

To summarize, you have to deal with 25% or 5%-25% drop rate to get your precious Amorphous which could take FOREVER depends on your luck. Then, you have to deal with 6% drop, which is WAY WORSE than Amorphous. It's basically RNG on top of RNG, it's utterly ridiculous and very disgusting. It's such a bad game design. I feel like they're doing this for grind's sake and not for grinding. Basically make things too grinding when it doesn't need to be just for the sake of grinding. Or try to demotivating players to spend at least 70 dollars to get the ultimate descendant or maybe both.

If you're going to put the bulls*** drop rate inside the Amorphouses, how about you increase their drop rate ? Why not 50% or even 100% on detected Amorphous and you'll get two Amorphouses if you complete the mission undetected ? Changing from 5 mins wait to 2 mins wait doesn't change much. I would rather have 100% Amorphous drop rate and wait 5 mins for the outpost to reset than 2 mins and 5%-25% drop rate. Also, Shape Stabilizer doesn't really help much because it's still RNG and it's drop rate is 0.3% to 3.5%. I mean, come on, Nexon. If you're going put such a sh**ty drop rate on it, why not just give us a guaranteed drop of my chosen Amorphous reward ?

After 4 days of pure grinding for Ultimate Viessa's Stabilizer BP and her code, i still don't have both of these. And you know what, i give up. Nexon, you won. There's no way things like this could pass a dev play test and be like "Yeah, this is good." Or maybe that's your entire goal all along, to demotivate players to spend money. I'm just gonna go and build my normal Viessa and i'll farm for Ultimate Viessa again or any Ultimate descendants once you fixed your s*** RNG gameplay.

[Xenomorph - Drone]

"Or maybe that's your entire goal all along, to demotivate players to spend money"
*Cough* no, not at all. *Cough*

[Busted648]

100% and tbh if their prices werent actual dog water id just buy the characters outright and support the game. oh well, leaving money on the table Nexon

[benseac]

At the very least, the stabilizers should let you pick the drop from the amorphous material. Nothing like wasting them when it lowers at 32% to 25% (or thereabouts) I don't need and the one I need from 6% to 10% and still gives me the 25% one (that I already have 10+ of). After the third time that happened, I don't even bother with the stabilizers any more.

[grab these bandages]

Originally posted by Anon:

I honestly don't mind the grind

Seems like you actually hate the grind.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by benseac:

At the very least, the stabilizers should let you pick the drop from the amorphous material. Nothing like wasting them when it lowers at 32% to 25% (or thereabouts) I don't need and the one I need from 6% to 10% and still gives me the 25% one (that I already have 10+ of). After the third time that happened, I don't even bother with the stabilizers any more.

That's what i'm saying. It's already hard enough to drop a Shape Stabilizer, at least give us a guaranteed drop of our chosen Amorphous' reward. I mean, how would we know if Shape Stabilizer actually do anything because it's still RNG, right ? I could say that "Oh, i would get this drop too if i didn't use Shape Stabilizer because RNG is on my side on this roll."

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

Originally posted by Anon:

I honestly don't mind the grind

Seems like you actually hate the grind.

But i don't. This in not grinding, this is a chore. Grinding is when you actually get something that you want in return when you've reached the target. Take for example, Battlepass. You have a milestone to reach and once you reached it, you'll get what is promised to you, that's grinding. This one is pure chance. You don't work towards anything, you're wasting time. It's either you get the thing that you want because of pure luck or you could spend hours upon hours upon hours and don't get the thing that you want, that's not grinding, that's a chore.

[Delerium75]

Targeted farming will nearly always make you feel as though you have been cursed by the RNG gods and is just an endless source of frustration.

Just play and have a good time and the goodies will eventually find their way into your pockets!

[It is my CAT]

Originally posted by Anon:

After 4 days of pure grinding for Ultimate Viessa's Stabilizer BP and her code, i still don't have both of these. And you know what, i give up. Nexon, you won. There's no way things like this could pass a dev play test and be like "Yeah, this is good." Or maybe that's your entire goal all along, to demotivate players to spend money. I'm just gonna go and build my normal Viessa and i'll farm for Ultimate Viessa again or any Ultimate descendants once you fixed your s*** RNG gameplay.

That is actually the hardest Ult to grind.
I have more parts for Ult Gley, that way stronger.
Also Ult version is pretty useless, since hardest bosses were always ice (Frost Walker before nerf and Gluttony). Also she has ugly avatar with that her mask. And her ult outfit is not great either.
She is just okay for another build, but doesn't worth the effort to farm.

[Delphinus]

But the grind while seen cheeks is the end game though o.O

[Pocahawtness]

The problem with this game is that the grinding is especially boring. They should make it simpler and more interesting, even if they drop the percentages.

[Hybernian]

Needs to change? Ok, don't hate then.

On a serious not, let's see they'll do with a pity system.
Though I am afraid treshold numbers might turn out way higher than you'd hope for.

[grab these bandages]

Originally posted by Anon:

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

Seems like you actually hate the grind.

But i don't. This in not grinding, this is a chore. Grinding is when you actually get something that you want in return when you've reached the target. Take for example, Battlepass. You have a milestone to reach and once you reached it, you'll get what is promised to you, that's grinding. This one is pure chance. You don't work towards anything, you're wasting time. It's either you get the thing that you want because of pure luck or you could spend hours upon hours upon hours and don't get the thing that you want, that's not grinding, that's a chore.

Nope, its not. Grinding its when you're running one location with one specific drop expecting different results multiple times (more than 100) in a row. You never grinded Ber runes so you dont know what grind is.

[Ravnin]

Shape stabilisers are indeed, garbage.
Outpost farming and going 6+ runs with no drops also sucks.
Ult Viessa was my longest ultimate grind. Was my first but also the most unlucky for last 10% drop piece, 30 odd hours.

Pretty understandable to hate it and give up. I almost did until I hit gold again.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

Originally posted by Anon:

But i don't. This in not grinding, this is a chore. Grinding is when you actually get something that you want in return when you've reached the target. Take for example, Battlepass. You have a milestone to reach and once you reached it, you'll get what is promised to you, that's grinding. This one is pure chance. You don't work towards anything, you're wasting time. It's either you get the thing that you want because of pure luck or you could spend hours upon hours upon hours and don't get the thing that you want, that's not grinding, that's a chore.

Nope, its not. Grinding its when you're running one location with one specific drop expecting different results multiple times (more than 100) in a row. You never grinded Ber runes so you dont know what grind is.

Oh, but i do know, i've played MapleStory and Runescape. Don't downplay things like Battlepass and say it's not a grind. Both can be considered grinding for general population but that doesn't mean people don't use the word interchangeably. I'm not gonna go deep into the meaning of it because that's not the point.

The point is that how you acquire crafting BPs in this game need an improvement or better yet rework. Shape Stabilizer is useless, it's almost like a placebo effect because the drop rate increase is so small, it's not even worth it when compared to it's drop rate. And the way you get an Amorphous from an Outpost is so bad that it's better to go to "Calling of the Descendant" to get a guaranteed drop or double if you've reached enough points. But then you have to go face bosses like Molten Fortress, Frost Walker, Gluttony which required a coordinated team with specific setup for your descendant and weapon, which some people don't have yet. So, it's just better to go to outpost to get the BPs but then, you have to deal with walls of RNG. It's all bad all around.

[RyouDeeLuLu]

Originally posted by 1 scope - 1 cope.:

"Or maybe that's your entire goal all along, to demotivate players to spend money"
*Cough* no, not at all. *Cough*

he dosn't understand gacha games. let em be bro, i dont think he will ever understand F2P and gacha