Machine guns need a nerf or other types need a buff

[MrAluncad]

they unfortunately outclass literally everything else thats normal ammo, dps, attack. ammo count and fire rate etc. specifically the tamer, that things stats decimate anything else in the normal ammo category. love using it but using them is getting old fast. would like to use a variety of weapons in endgame not just 1 specific type

[Rogue]

It's more for the casual. The pros have moved on to ultimate weapons. lol.

[feline]

i want one - _ - . i not got it yet. cheer

[Garou]

yes we pros switched to python step up your game or be left behind

[[SHH] Unreal4Real]

They are good but you'll quickly discover that later on the base DPS means little in this game.

The ultimate weapons have far lower base DPS but when specced properly with mods + their ultimate ability they quickly outclass.

The key is to understand that in TFD the weapon must match the situation. A crazy high dps weapon will often fail to match the thunder cage for crowd control. Why? Explosive electrical discharge unique ability. The end result is that the DPS equates to little in many cases.

[PhellAsleep]

I think the listed DPS on weapons is also incorrect. I noticed I had a higher list DPS weapon because it rolled with gold crit rate and crit damage stat bonuses. But the based crit rate of the weapon was 1 or 2%, making those bonuses effectively meaningless. The game just assigns some stuff an arbitrary value without really looking at the base stats of the weapon.

You can also see this when you try the "suggested mods" option and it will apply the same suggested mods for a weapon with 30% crit rate and a weapon with 2% crit rate.

[TyresTyco]

I tend to use my pistol a lot. Having next to none movement speed penalty while ads is soooo nice if you are used being slow af with the machine guns/assault rifles.

[Maya-Neko]

There's a reason why it is called standard ammo, since they're supposed to be good in most situations. However, they're outclassed in the extremes, they don't do as much damage as shotguns close up, aren't as precise as laser weapons and waste more ammo than high range weapons against far away enemies

And most importantly: Treat your weapons fair. If you fully build your weapon, maybe even an ultimate weapon, then they're obviously doing way more damage than another weapon, that is only half build

[Valhallen]

Publicado originalmente por PhellAsleep:

I think the listed DPS on weapons is also incorrect. I noticed I had a higher list DPS weapon because it rolled with gold crit rate and crit damage stat bonuses. But the based crit rate of the weapon was 1 or 2%, making those bonuses effectively meaningless. The game just assigns some stuff an arbitrary value without really looking at the base stats of the weapon.

You can also see this when you try the "suggested mods" option and it will apply the same suggested mods for a weapon with 30% crit rate and a weapon with 2% crit rate.

Crit is already properly calculated into weapon DPS, so I don't think that's the case. You can already see the DPS gain a crit mod will get you and it's usually pretty low if the weapon has low base crit. Some weapon types like Tamer and Eternal Willpower just vastly outclass other weapons of their type. The guns are not balanced.

[Joren]

They literally hand you the most broken crutch gun from the very beginning. Thunder Cage. What use is there in complaining about machine guns which are far less effective.

[Joikax]

Sheet dps is moot in void intercepts (the place where it matters most) when hardmode bosses have stupid amounts of defense and suddenly your 40k damage-per-shot weapon is doing 6-10k at best without elemental mods installed.

Even though the percentage damage conversions seem low on those (elemental) mods the overall damage, when factoring weakness, can double your actual dps and end up being better than most Firearm ATK+ mods

And that's not touching the subject of accuracy where LMG's have this balancing quirk where they're either accurate but low dps or high dps but inaccurate. You do want enough accuracy to hit those destructible parts reliably otherwise you're absolutelly useless at creating dps windows for everyone to benefit from in void intercepts. Would you rather deal 400k dps yourself or something lower like 200k but spread out across 4 people (that will also be focusing down other weakspots during that window)?


When it comes to looter shooters never, ever, tunnelvision on sheet dps.
Though I'll say this issue is only reinforced in this game due to lack of properly explained mechanics and lack of important information in the modules/details sheet.

PS: Eternal Willpower is better than Tamer in every way. Fight me.

[Hommit]

Publicado originalmente por Joikax:

Sheet dps is moot in void intercepts (the place where it matters most) when hardmode bosses have stupid amounts of defense and suddenly your 40k damage-per-shot weapon is doing 6-10k at best without elemental mods installed.

Even though the percentage damage conversions seem low on those (elemental) mods the overall damage, when factoring weakness, can double your actual dps and end up being better than most Firearm ATK+ mods

And that's not touching the subject of accuracy where LMG's have this balancing quirk where they're either accurate but low dps or high dps but inaccurate. You do want enough accuracy to hit those destructible parts reliably otherwise you're absolutelly useless at creating dps windows for everyone to benefit from in void intercepts. Would you rather deal 400k dps yourself or something lower like 200k but spread out across 4 people (that will also be focusing down other weakspots during that window)?


When it comes to looter shooters never, ever, tunnelvision on sheet dps.
Though I'll say this issue is only reinforced in this game due to lack of properly explained mechanics and lack of important information in the modules/details sheet.

PS: Eternal Willpower is better than Tamer in every way. Fight me.

So, what i should be focusing on? Weak dmg? Boss dmg?

[The Overlander]

wait till u get python then XD

[robotech_master]

Thunder cage is gods farming gun. Its literally the only gun you need until hard mode.

[jandraelune]

Some modules give literally 0 to DPS gain, though they should. There is a heavy weapon ammo cap mod that gives 15% and increases dps by 0 while the general ammo cap mod for 12% does give increase to dps.

[Hybernian]

They aren't good in terms of crit change, crit damage and accuracy.