The First Descendant

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KitKat Jul 6, 2024 @ 5:40pm
Can someone explain Pyro fight?
I don't get what I'm missing here. Trying to fight it solo, so he's always focused on me (obviously) and obviously facing me. Which means I have 2 problems always by default already:
  1. Boss is always facing me, which means some of the weak-points are either unavailable to me at all OR are obstructed half the time;
  2. Boss has homing projectile attacks, which always target AND always hit me, no dodging(rolling) or hiding behind cover(cover gets destroyed) ever helps.

Now... First, on topic of weak-points:
1) Sensor weak points on the head? It's on either SIDES of his head. So I can't hit it 90% of the time due to the boss facing me;
2) Balancer weak points on knees? Same - they are on either SIDES of the legs, but the boss is always facing me;
3) Shoulders (both) are also hidden from me 75% of the time due to him stretching that arm-cannon of his towards me, which means one shoulder is blocked by the arm-cannon, the other is turned away from me;
3) Core cover(and core) are also hidden away in 75% of cases due to the same reasons of him using that arm-cannon of his;
4) Enrage phase, the Fire Amplifier (battery on the back) weak point? Blocked away from me by his huge helmet-head, as the boss is always facing me, no matter how much I try to roll around, under him or sprint/Bunny-speed around to the sides.

Second, on topic of attacks:
1) Regular fire pew pews seem to be AOE on the ground, so no matter how much I sprint or even Bunny-run, I am always hit. And once I am - there's also the burning DoT;
2) Flamethrower has insane range (half across the whole map) AND is 100% accurate, while also breaking any sort of cover in an instant. So I'm always hit by it no matter what I do. ANd yes, it also applies burning;
3) Fire ball that shoots HOMING projectiles. Yes, it flies in a straight line and slowly, so it's easy to doge the ball itself, but... The HOMING projectiles? That's impossible to dodge, as they are faster than roll and even Bunny-sprint. And insta-destroy cover too, of course;

And don't get me even started on the annoying spinning enemies that STAGGER you, which means you can't avoid any of those (and other attacks in his kit that I haven't even covered). Especially when these enemies spawn literally behind your back without any sound queue or anything like it and just backstab you.

I have enough fire resist not to die instantly... I still kinda live through it, more or less. Sure, I could bump it up further, but would that really help, if I'm apparently unable to deal proper damage as a solo player? All because most of the time, those weak-points are out of my reach? What am I missing here?

P.s. "Skill issue"-post all you want, but I'm actually asking for helpful tips here.
Originally posted by JackieTheDemon:
Serious skill issue.

Literally just stack cold damage on an SMG (Thunder Cage) and you win.
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Lonewolftee Jul 6, 2024 @ 5:54pm 
Fire res and ice attack module on your weapon(lvl it). Also make sure you have hp, shield, and def leveled up on your module slots.

This boss sucks and it's poorly designed. You want to target his weak spots as much as possible. When he's enraged you need to shoot the part on his back, try grappling up high to target it.

If your team isn't doing this and arent focusing fire on specific parts that equals an instant fail. If you're going solo, good luck.
KitKat Jul 6, 2024 @ 5:57pm 
Originally posted by Lonewolftee:
Fire res and ice attack module on your weapon(lvl it).
Have that. Piercing weapon + Ice damage on it too.
Originally posted by Lonewolftee:
Also make sure you have hp, shield, and def leveled up on your module slots.
Have that too.
Originally posted by Lonewolftee:
This boss sucks and it's poorly designed. You want to target his weak spots as much as possible. When he's enraged you need to shoot the part on his back, try grappling up high to target it.
Like I said... Most of the times, none of his weak-points are facing me at all. Because I'm trying it solo - the boss ALWAYS facing me, which prevents me from shooting all of those weak-points on the sides.

Originally posted by Lonewolftee:
If your team isn't doing this and arent focusing fire on specific parts that equals an instant fail. If you're going solo, good luck.
Trying it solo and it doesn't work. Tried it with a team... We simply ran out of time. And were only able to break only ONE weak point towards the end.
KitKat Jul 6, 2024 @ 7:38pm 
Stacking more fire resist doesn't help.
Stacking more cold damage doesn't help.
Switching to Viessa from Bunny doesn't help.
Going solo or squad doesn't change a thing either.

What gives? Any tips? What needs to be done to "trivialize" this boss, as some people claim it him to be?
KitKat Jul 7, 2024 @ 3:41am 
Bump. Still looking for tips and advices on how to deal with this.
RubyCante Jul 7, 2024 @ 3:42am 
i just go solo, use ajax with def/hp focus module, pyro can't even break my bubble / wall
just press fire till it died, win
KitKat Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:07am 
Originally posted by RubyCante:
i just go solo, use ajax with def/hp focus module, pyro can't even break my bubble / wall
just press fire till it died, win
I’ve got Viessa as my starter, so… Not an option.
Hommit Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:12am 
About burning: "Heat release" mod
KitKat Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:14am 
Originally posted by Hommit:
About burning: "Heat release" mod
Fair point. I actually remember having it.

Still doesn’t help with damage tho :D
Encore Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:19am 
Two options:
1. Upgraded sniper rifle. Keep maximum distance from him and hit as much as possible. Always be on top so that mobs cannot attack from behind.
2. Party. As for me, a terrible boss in terms of balance of damage/abilities + tons of HP.

It's definitely not for solo playthrough.
Pitty Sensual Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:21am 
Shoudnt be that hard...
I used thunder cage and a hand cannon with normal frost dmg module.
Upgraded DEF module, HP module and Fire res module. Dont forget to use External components with DEF/HP, DEF/DEF or HP/HP, your modules basically buff those numbers, without them, they do basically nothing.

Besides that, shoot the hell out of what you can do weak dmg, even if you already broke it. You should be able to tank all hits but the "Fire mines" that grows, in that part you just run around until its gone. There isnt any special strategy
KitKat Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by Encore:
Two options:
1. Upgraded sniper rifle. Keep maximum distance from him and hit as much as possible. Always be on top so that mobs cannot attack from behind.
You mean a Scout-Rifle(green ammo)? Because Sniper(purple ammo) get so little ammo that it feels absolutely pointless.
Originally posted by Encore:
2. Party. As for me, a terrible boss in terms of balance of damage/abilities + tons of HP.

It's definitely not for solo playthrough.
Group play is worse than solo, because the scaling is beyond unreasonable. For these bosses, I mean.
KitKat Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:51am 
Originally posted by Pitty Sensual:
Shoudnt be that hard...
I used thunder cage and a hand cannon with normal frost dmg module.
Upgraded DEF module, HP module and Fire res module. Dont forget to use External components with DEF/HP, DEF/DEF or HP/HP, your modules basically buff those numbers, without them, they do basically nothing.
Got all of that, Thunder cage included. Doesn't seem to work, as I simply do not deal enough damage in time. Which is why I'm asking here if I'm missing something about this boss. Something obvious that others see and I don't cuz I'm blind or something.

Originally posted by Pitty Sensual:
Besides that, shoot the hell out of what you can do weak dmg, even if you already broke it. You should be able to tank all hits but the "Fire mines" that grows, in that part you just run around until its gone. There isnt any special strategy
I've already explained in the first post how dumb it is when doing this solo - with all the weak points being constantly on the sides or obstructed by his hand-canon/torso rotation... Since the boss constantly focuses the only enemy - me.

So what I understand, I simply don't deal enough damage, with my - currently - "max possible" (for me) lvl63 Thunder Cage, with legendary effect maxed out and all-legendary re-rolls of effects... Or other options of guns that are also all max-possible level, with solid mods too. Direct damage, Weak point damage and ice.

Again, this is why I'm asking if I'm missing something here. Something on the nose, but I can't seem to see it why people are "breezing" through it (apparently), while I'm struggling.
Pitty Sensual Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by KitKat:
Originally posted by Pitty Sensual:
Shoudnt be that hard...
I used thunder cage and a hand cannon with normal frost dmg module.
Upgraded DEF module, HP module and Fire res module. Dont forget to use External components with DEF/HP, DEF/DEF or HP/HP, your modules basically buff those numbers, without them, they do basically nothing.
Got all of that, Thunder cage included. Doesn't seem to work, as I simply do not deal enough damage in time. Which is why I'm asking here if I'm missing something about this boss. Something obvious that others see and I don't cuz I'm blind or something.

Originally posted by Pitty Sensual:
Besides that, shoot the hell out of what you can do weak dmg, even if you already broke it. You should be able to tank all hits but the "Fire mines" that grows, in that part you just run around until its gone. There isnt any special strategy
I've already explained in the first post how dumb it is when doing this solo - with all the weak points being constantly on the sides or obstructed by his hand-canon/torso rotation... Since the boss constantly focuses the only enemy - me.

So what I understand, I simply don't deal enough damage, with my - currently - "max possible" (for me) lvl63 Thunder Cage, with legendary effect maxed out and all-legendary re-rolls of effects... Or other options of guns that are also all max-possible level, with solid mods too. Direct damage, Weak point damage and ice.

Again, this is why I'm asking if I'm missing something here. Something on the nose, but I can't seem to see it why people are "breezing" through it (apparently), while I'm struggling.
U are following Moxsy Thunder Cage build? With those mods my weapon just blazed thru the endgame (Last topic at the end has the gun mods)
https://youtu.be/gFpvEyQigKs?t=1323

He has a little bit of weak point damage, but is more focused on critical dmg than anything
Last edited by Pitty Sensual; Jul 7, 2024 @ 4:58am
KitKat Jul 7, 2024 @ 5:06am 
Originally posted by Pitty Sensual:
U are following Moxsy Thunder Cage build? With those mods my weapon just blazed thru the endgame (Last topic at the end has the gun mods)
https://youtu.be/gFpvEyQigKs?t=1323

He has a little bit of weak point damage, but is more focused on critical dmg than anything
So, in order to have "good damage", you need to put an Energy Activator into it, eh? That's what this video implies?

Here's my current setup. Actually lvl 62, not 63, my mistake. I also actually added one more slot polarity into it already... And it's also maxed out on that unique ability too.
https://i.gyazo.com/3ac529196f86350a4408cf09c791affb.png
https://i.gyazo.com/80d9897ecd3d8eb577f38275329c8b6c.png
Even if I max out Rifiling Reinforcement + 1 rank into something else (into the remaining 3 points), doubt it would do much difference, if at all.
ArchAngel Jul 7, 2024 @ 5:17am 
heres what you need to do ..first get that +20 mod on your wep then lv up your mods if still not enuff then use that sigil thingy and re level your wep !
where to find these awesome stuff? well ofcourse in the shop for 25 usd!!
or get yourself a lv 100 wep and see that punk melt like butter !! ohh wait that boss is there to stop us frm entering the new zone ...guess thats nexon plan all along !!
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Date Posted: Jul 6, 2024 @ 5:40pm
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