The First Descendant

The First Descendant

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Privacy Alert: What Does The First Descendant Do with Our Local Data?
Hello fellow gamers,

I've been enjoying The First Descendant and its engaging gameplay, but I have some serious concerns about the game's data privacy practices, specifically related to the access of local files on our systems.

While it's understandable and generally acceptable for online games to collect and monitor user data to improve services and ensure fair play, I was alarmed to discover that The First Descendant might go a step further by accessing local files on our computers. This is highly invasive and potentially crosses a line, especially when considering the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) enforced in the European Union.

To the Developers:
If any developers are reading this, could you please explain how and why local files on our systems are accessed? What specific data is being looked at, and what is it used for? Transparency in these practices is crucial for us to make informed decisions about our privacy.

To the Community:
For those concerned about their privacy, I highly recommend sending a GDPR request to Nexon's Data Protection Officer. Ask them to clarify how your data is being handled, what specific local data is being accessed, and the purposes for this access. It’s important that we, as users, ensure our personal data is treated with the utmost respect and in compliance with the law.

Here’s how you can submit a GDPR request:

Identify and locate Nexon's Data Protection Officer's contact information (typically found in the privacy policy or EULA).
Draft a clear and concise request asking for details on data collection, access to local files, and data retention policies.
Send the request via the provided contact method and ensure you receive a confirmation of receipt.
Let's stay informed and protect our data. Your privacy is important!
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Messaggio originale di HaloSign:
To all who are EULA concerned:

A gaming PC should never be used for any other purpose then to play Games.

Do not store any private information on this PC.
Do not make “business” thru the web on this PC.

Use a dedicated browser (e.g. Firefox) for web portals which are related to games such as Bungie, EA, Ubisoft, Steam on this PC.

Use another browser (e.g. Chrome) for the rest (such as YouTube, searches etc.).
NB: Do not use bookmarks in this second browser.

Do not use email clients on this PC (never!).

Delete regularly cookies and the whole history of webpages you visited (you can make a folder on the desktop where you put the links of webpages you visit regularly).

When you follow this advice there will be not that much for any company to steal from your PC.

BTW: you can always write e.g. an email to the DPO and request a list of all data Nexon stored under your account. You can also advice Nexon to delete all that data.

If you allow JS on websites they can grab your hardware data and match your gaming behavior to your other behavior thanks to you showing up with identical hardware on trackers. Every site using googles captcha is letting google do this for example. The browsers also help google track you over "save browsing on" - it sends every site you visit to google so google can reply if the site is safe... The only real solution to somewhat dodge js trackers is using vm+vpn to mask your hardware and connection entirely. (outside of using multiple pc's / laptops)

Personally im running linux kvm with gpu passthrough to play games like this one.
Was a bit of work initially but runs without issue now.

On topic of gamestar - the data collection this game is pulling is not new and they have been handwaving it for other games in past. I think this is just gamestar trying to write a hit piece cause they got offended at how the ingame characters look. They have been fuming and ranting about sweet baby haters are all nazis in past so its clear where they stand.
Messaggio originale di KuschelTier2016:
Hello fellow gamers,

I've been enjoying The First Descendant and its engaging gameplay, but I have some serious concerns about the game's data privacy practices, specifically related to the access of local files on our systems.

While it's understandable and generally acceptable for online games to collect and monitor user data to improve services and ensure fair play, I was alarmed to discover that The First Descendant might go a step further by accessing local files on our computers. This is highly invasive and potentially crosses a line, especially when considering the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) enforced in the European Union.

To the Developers:
If any developers are reading this, could you please explain how and why local files on our systems are accessed? What specific data is being looked at, and what is it used for? Transparency in these practices is crucial for us to make informed decisions about our privacy.

To the Community:
For those concerned about their privacy, I highly recommend sending a GDPR request to Nexon's Data Protection Officer. Ask them to clarify how your data is being handled, what specific local data is being accessed, and the purposes for this access. It’s important that we, as users, ensure our personal data is treated with the utmost respect and in compliance with the law.

Here’s how you can submit a GDPR request:

Identify and locate Nexon's Data Protection Officer's contact information (typically found in the privacy policy or EULA).
Draft a clear and concise request asking for details on data collection, access to local files, and data retention policies.
Send the request via the provided contact method and ensure you receive a confirmation of receipt.
Let's stay informed and protect our data. Your privacy is important!

You mean the anticheat?

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Messaggio originale di ペンギン:
Well, it's the usual Unreal Engine stuff (EOS/Datarouter telemetry) together with some own solutions + Easy Anti Cheat + Black Cipher Anti-Cheat

To be honest, the fact that Anti-Cheat has access to kernel level is something that even the everyone should realized by now who plays.

To name few personal things from the game:
"name" : "ペンギン"
"account_id":"76561198113455411"
"exeFilePath":"*.*/Steam/steamapps/common/The First Descendant/M1/Binaries/Win64/M1-Win64-Shipping.exe"
"deviceHWID":"xxxx"
"ipaddress":"x.x.x.x"

and so on. There is a lot more and a lot is also encrypted.

A lot of telemetry and unnecessary services can be blocked. If you know your way around, you or other customers can do this via a hosts file, PI-Hole or other systems.

Connection overview and some involved services (so far):
https://gameindustry.eu/en/search/?suchbegriff=The+First+Descendant

Otherwise? Stop using games with the Unreal Engine. That would be easiest. Because what is monitored and the way it is taken from users is the same in every modern game with this engine. Unfortunately, it has to be said :(

Hello. I would like to know what is the purpose of the website? Is it to help see what is running in our system background? If so, are they preventable? How can it be done?

I was wondering about this game's data privacy and was looking around on how to make them delete my data or at least stop them from accessing it.
Messaggio originale di Oh No! It's a cotton picker:

Hello. I would like to know what is the purpose of the website? Is it to help see what is running in our system background? If so, are they preventable? How can it be done?

I was wondering about this game's data privacy and was looking around on how to make them delete my data or at least stop them from accessing it.
Short: Ditigal self-defense and I'm trying to wake up users to the fact that they are not self-service stores and need to defend themselves and take care of their privacy

The purpose of the project is to show users products that make calls to the Internet and steal data. This often happens without users being properly informed, let alone giving their consent.

For this purpose, connections are broken down and collected and summarized by product in an own product search and filter lists (hosts).

The hosts file is a file on your own system that can be used as an adblocker. Adblockers in browsers also use such files, as do operating systems. This makes it possible to globally block certain connections system-wide. And if you have some knowledge, you can also use the lists to block in the network.

In this way, many snooping services in games, programs and websites are excluded and the applications can continue to run like they should. The only difference is that users can control their data security and background traffic by blocking them.

With the help of these lists, users have the opportunity to block a large number of services relatively easily and without specialist knowledge, while at the same time protecting their privacy.

Because a lot of data is collected during testing (regardless of whether it is a game, operating system, program or website) i publish everything. Like on Steam with my reviews which serve as a means to an end.

I am constantly expanding the content and trying not only to show the companies involved, but also to present services that are involved in data theft, data mining and other mechanics. And in a way that can't be found in countless eulas and terms of use, if it is communicated to users at all. But the way it actually is.

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For The First Descendant, for example, it is impossible to stop data access on your device. I think I've mentioned this before, but you can disable almost three quarters of the connections (telemetry, logging, advertising, popups) using the hosts file without any loss of functionality and that's better than nothing.

If you or someone else need help with this, feel free to add me and ask.
Ultima modifica da ペンギン; 6 lug 2024, ore 19:51
Messaggio originale di Danyel:
Is there not a way to opt out of this and if so how?
Its easy to opt out, dont install the game. Its part of the deal. To play the game, you need to allow, no opting out and still playing unfortunately.
Messaggio originale di Irot Noot:
Messaggio originale di Danyel:
Is there not a way to opt out of this and if so how?
Its easy to opt out, dont install the game. Its part of the deal. To play the game, you need to allow, no opting out and still playing unfortunately.
Consumption and comfort versus privacy and security. Both together usually don't work. Developers and Game-Engine providers often take advantage of this. Well, either way, it's a difficult and extensive topic.
What's really funny about these types of concerns is you people act like your info isn't all over the internet REGARDLESS. It's 2024 ffs. It's like asking "why do I receive junk mail" irl. Your info is out there and there is very little you can do about it.

It's like the people that claim to hate Sony because they got hacked. Then they ignore the other dozen major corporations that have their info that also got hacked.

If you don't want info online, I suggest dying maybe? Because as long as you're breathing, your info is out there.

People think if they don't bank online that their banking info isn't online. :steammocking: Everything is online. It's just a matter if you want to access it or not. People need to get with the times.

I don't have any social media presence. I only do what I need to do online. Yet, my info is for sale on the web. I've seen it. There is no safe place, kids. This is modern day world. Get used to it. Otherwise, continue being ignorant to the world you live in. :steammocking:
Messaggio originale di losinsanity:
What's really funny about these types of concerns is you people act like your info isn't all over the internet REGARDLESS. It's 2024 ffs. It's like asking "why do I receive junk mail" irl. Your info is out there and there is very little you can do about it.

It's like the people that claim to hate Sony because they got hacked. Then they ignore the other dozen major corporations that have their info that also got hacked.

If you don't want info online, I suggest dying maybe? Because as long as you're breathing, your info is out there.

People think if they don't bank online that their banking info isn't online. :steammocking: Everything is online. It's just a matter if you want to access it or not. People need to get with the times.

I don't have any social media presence. I only do what I need to do online. Yet, my info is for sale on the web. I've seen it. There is no safe place, kids. This is modern day world. Get used to it. Otherwise, continue being ignorant to the world you live in. :steammocking:

This is so true. Even then they still know a lot about you without knowing specifics. I once read where Facebook and others know you are missing from their site by the data they get from everyone else. If your wife, mother, sister, brother have accounts, Facebook likely knows you are missing by the fact they claim to be married, have a son, a brother. Facebook can even make a pretty good guess at your age and likely income brackets based on those around your missing profile.

Its not just the social media sites. I read last year where a guy got nabbed for murder by his DNA. He had never had his DNA scanned, but his brother did a DNA family tree test and was in their system. When the cops asked for a lookup, they could only match a 50% match, a sibling, but that was enough for the cops to figure out how it was.

Your privacy is smoke and mirrors anymore, at best.
Ultima modifica da Irot Noot; 6 lug 2024, ore 20:15
Messaggio originale di losinsanity:
What's really funny about these types of concerns is you people act like your info isn't all over the internet REGARDLESS. It's 2024 ffs. It's like asking "why do I receive junk mail" irl. Your info is out there and there is very little you can do about it.

It's like the people that claim to hate Sony because they got hacked. Then they ignore the other dozen major corporations that have their info that also got hacked.

If you don't want info online, I suggest dying maybe? Because as long as you're breathing, your info is out there.

People think if they don't bank online that their banking info isn't online. :steammocking: Everything is online. It's just a matter if you want to access it or not. People need to get with the times.

I don't have any social media presence. I only do what I need to do online. Yet, my info is for sale on the web. I've seen it. There is no safe place, kids. This is modern day world. Get used to it. Otherwise, continue being ignorant to the world you live in. :steammocking:
Partly true but the ignorance is yours in this case, because you say that users should put up with everything in this "modern" world. Because the majority of people have never really dealt with the issue and many don't care.

That's why we currently have an advance in surveillance systems and an uncontrolled industry and politics that wants to have access to everything. People can achieve a lot, but very few of them choose the right way, such as contacting the authorities or voting for parties that are against such things. Even with simple means such as blocking connections and reading up on the subject.

And on the other hand, data leaks. But no worry, we're all used to them, because we can find leaked data each day here and there. Noone cares, right? It's nice to see how people are conditioned. And on top of that, there's an apology from the related company and everything goes on as before.

Very few people today know what is actually happening on their own devices. It starts with that.

Unfortunately, like here on Steam, people only care about something if it affects or bothers them personally. Combined with a lot of double standards.
Ultima modifica da ペンギン; 6 lug 2024, ore 20:18
I wouldn't trust a Chinese game company that writes up an eula like this, but this being Korean is much more reassuring.
Messaggio originale di Faiyez:
I wouldn't trust a Chinese game company that writes up an eula like this, but this being Korean is much more reassuring.
Nexon Games has multiple headquarters, including in El Segundo California, Tokyo Japan, and Seoul South Korea. None of which are in China..
Ultima modifica da Irot Noot; 6 lug 2024, ore 20:20
Messaggio originale di Faiyez:
I wouldn't trust a Chinese game company that writes up an eula like this, but this being Korean is much more reassuring.
Besides, the "argument" is ridiculous anyway. Western companies do just as much crap.

META (Facebook), Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Google and many others. Not to forget American surveillance and several laws/regulations (e.g. patriot act, fisa, cisa, eo 12333, national security letters and many more) that allow certain authorities to monitor and appropriate everything.

And there are many other companies and countries around the world that follow exactly the same pattern. The only difference? Some hide it better and prefer to point at others. Otherwise there is no difference.
Ultima modifica da ペンギン; 6 lug 2024, ore 20:39
Messaggio originale di ペンギン:
Messaggio originale di Faiyez:
I wouldn't trust a Chinese game company that writes up an eula like this, but this being Korean is much more reassuring.
Besides, the "argument" is ridiculous anyway. Western companies do just as much crap.

META (Facebook), Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Google and many others. Not to forget American surveillance and several laws/regulations (e.g. patriot act, fisa, cisa, eo 12333, national security letters and many more) that allow certain authorities to monitor and appropriate everything.

And there are many other companies and countries around the world that follow exactly the same pattern. The only difference? Some hide it better and prefer to point at others. Otherwise there is no difference.

First off there's a huge difference between a normie company like meta and Google and most any game company. There's a huge difference between the ones that rely on advertising and ones that don't.

Not all countries are dystopian surveillance states like China and the US. Governments have been made less accountable in places vulnerable to terrorism in the name of combating it. Not all of us have real national security worries from bad actors in our borders and we actually hold our governments accountable.

I know Japan is huge on individual's privacy and they mean it. You can't even film passerbys on the street without express permission or blurring their faces.

So there is in fact a difference between saying you prefer one country over the other.
Messaggio originale di Faiyez:
First off there's a huge difference between a normie company like meta and Google and most any game company. There's a huge difference between the ones that rely on advertising and ones that don't.

Not all countries are dystopian surveillance states like China and the US. Governments have been made less accountable in places vulnerable to terrorism in the name of combating it. Not all of us have real national security worries from bad actors in our borders and we actually hold our governments accountable.

I know Japan is huge on individual's privacy and they mean it. You can't even film passerbys on the street without express permission or blurring their faces.

So there is in fact a difference between saying you prefer one country over the other.
I don't prefer one country over another. I just said that there is no difference when you look at the way how data is recorded and by whom.

To stay with games, it doesn't matter where the developers come from.

They can and must inform customers properly and opt-in/out should actually be a matter of course in these times. If a game is programmed, this is easy to realize. This applies to small (normie) companies or one-man developer studios as well as to mega corporations, no matter where in the world.

Customers have a so called right to information and people generally (apart from a few countries) have certain rights when it comes to data security, data sovereignty and protection. This is something that is largely ignored here on Steam or other platforms.

Well, we know, the reality is different. For many devs, the "no one cares about" philosophy also applies. Just like with users.

And it is also unacceptable that developers/companies do not provide information when it comes to own data or even lie, and this is done often enough. They even often lie about their own program behavior or play dumb. Even despite evidence of serious violations.

P.S. Japan (so called safe harbor for data ^^) is still under observation of NSA/USA, by already mentioned regulations. Japan also wants to be included in the "5 Eyes" and they also using american services like Amazon AWS like China as example.

We always have to look at things from different angles.
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