Ultimate weapons weak?

[M3R]

Am I missing something with ultimate weapons? They seem incredibly weak compared to the purple weapons I've been just finding even if the purple is levels underneath. Even with the unique abilities ultimate weapons have I just feel like they aren't good. I got one of my descendants to level 40 and have guns in the level 50's but even at that point the ultimates don't feel worth and are just a waste of resources to up their level.

For example I have the albion calvary gun (ultimate) that's level 57, does 27k dps base, 34k with modules. My gun I've been using for a while is a purple at level 55 that does 40k damage base, 53k dps with modules. I just don't see the point in using the ultimate at all so either I'm missing something or other people share same view.

[Chief Romanji]

Ultimate weapons are pretty trash. re-rolled attributes, brought Albion Cavalry gun up to level 60+
still HALF the DPS of my Tamer LMG, half the DPS of my Different Dream Sniper RIfle, ONE THIRD the damage of my Subconscious shotgun.

and yet took 4 hours and countless resources to make, level and re-roll. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ even if you were to stack 5 of them on top of each other i doubt it's DPS would miraculously quintuple making it even slightly worth the investment. Nexon you droppin the ball.

[M3R]

Yeah I've seen so many people with the Tamer now that I know what it looks like. It's an easy weapon to obtain that isn't an ultimate, cheaper to upgrade/reroll and does a lot more damage than most ultimates of it's ammo type lol.

Edit: So far only thing I see as a benefit for the grind of getting ultimates is the extra % boost on reactors. Most non ultimates will have better dps though for gunplay.

[D. Flame]

Yes, at level 1 they are weak. But level their perk, and they become OP.

[Maslow]

Chief Romanji původně napsal:

Ultimate weapons are pretty trash. re-rolled attributes, brought Albion Cavalry gun up to level 60+
still HALF the DPS of my Tamer LMG, half the DPS of my Different Dream Sniper RIfle, ONE THIRD the damage of my Subconscious shotgun.

and yet took 4 hours and countless resources to make, level and re-roll. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ even if you were to stack 5 of them on top of each other i doubt it's DPS would miraculously quintuple making it even slightly worth the investment. Nexon you droppin the ball.

The Tamer seems busted compared to any other general ammo weapon, as a MG with huge dps. Then you compare to special ammo weapons as if any general ammo gun is supposed to compare on straight dps terms. I'm not saying the Albion Calvary is a good gun but your comparison basis is extremely poor.

[JackieTheDemon]

WickedDKS původně napsal:

Seems they have a set reactor for most Ultimate weapons. combining them has enhanced effects rather than a normal Hand Cannon reactor. I believe purple gives 140% and Ultimate gives 160%.

Matching a reactor ro a specific ultimate weapon does not make the weapon stronger, only the reactor.

[Geist]

The Albion Calvary gun is good for one specific thing. Stun locking. If you don't have a way to stun then don't bother.

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they are all very situational which is why they're so strong

[the~jack]

thunder and othe golde naoe hit effect eapon are good for mobs, single target purple rifles with 35% more bullet dmg is better for bosses

[Teykila]

inkbear původně napsal:

Just get the Tamer. I had over 200K DPS on it when I went into Hanged Man

The tamer will receive a nerf 100%, there's no way this weapon have the right to have such DPS compared too all the other weapons of the game. It must be bugged.

[eSportBully]

M3R původně napsal:

Am I missing something with ultimate weapons? They seem incredibly weak compared to the purple weapons I've been just finding even if the purple is levels underneath. Even with the unique abilities ultimate weapons have I just feel like they aren't good. I got one of my descendants to level 40 and have guns in the level 50's but even at that point the ultimates don't feel worth and are just a waste of resources to up their level.

For example I have the albion calvary gun (ultimate) that's level 57, does 27k dps base, 34k with modules. My gun I've been using for a while is a purple at level 55 that does 40k damage base, 53k dps with modules. I just don't see the point in using the ultimate at all so either I'm missing something or other people share same view.

Nah you doing it wrong my dude. Legendaries allow you to build around your skills. Some are better for farming some better for single target. They also allow you to fill a certain role in group play. You will find pushing hard level solo dungs are alot easier with certain builds that are enchanced with the right legendary. That is a most case scenario.

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Teykila původně napsal:

inkbear původně napsal:

Just get the Tamer. I had over 200K DPS on it when I went into Hanged Man

The tamer will receive a nerf 100%, there's no way this weapon have the right to have such DPS compared too all the other weapons of the game. It must be bugged.

I know it sucks. I don't think its a bug it's just unintended okay to be fair thats a bug but i mean it as in I don't think its like a game issue its just the way they setup weapons it basically does triple damage.
Anywyas im not trying to be semantic i was just saying i think it will get retuned too

[Braxalus]

The DPS figures are a little wonky. They're rough estimates and will rarely reflect actual performance(My hand cannon does 700k on weak point shots, for instance. That's not really reflected in the dps figures). That being said, the Albion Calvary Gun is not very good.

[the~jack]

Teykila původně napsal:

inkbear původně napsal:

Just get the Tamer. I had over 200K DPS on it when I went into Hanged Man

The tamer will receive a nerf 100%, there's no way this weapon have the right to have such DPS compared too all the other weapons of the game. It must be bugged.

i think the math of the garbe code of the game, writes wrong dps numbers, you can calculate it youself with 1 round damage x mag / reload + time to empty x all the extra effects.

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Braxalus původně napsal:

The DPS figures are a little wonky. They're rough estimates and will rarely reflect actual performance(My hand cannon does 700k on weak point shots, for instance. That's not really reflected in the dps figures). That being said, the Albion Calvary Gun is not very good.

another reverse example of this, my friends tamer does like 3228k dmg and it says this in the menu too (like the weapon module menu etc
but in the menu where you equip it (inventory) it says it does something like 1208k.

One of these menus calculates dps wrong im guessing its like how shotguns in games usually do dps worng because they only count 1 pellet or they count it as if every pellet hits every time (although obviously different)

anywyas tl;dr
yeah the dps number is weird but i think it can generally be trusted, or you can go shoot that one guy i think in albion theres a vulgus fella stuck there as a target dummy

[Teykila]

◬ ☥ 𝕄𝕚𝕝𝕜 ☥ ◬ původně napsal:

another reverse example of this, my friends tamer does like 3228k dmg and it says this in the menu too (like the weapon module menu etc
but in the menu where you equip it (inventory) it says it does something like 1208k.

By default in the weapon selection menu, it shows the weapon DPS without mods.
there an option a the bottom left to show with mods