"Just farm the Ultimate Descendants" ...right

[Steven Silverheart]

Yeah, right...


If my maths are correct - it is based on tech test and crossplay beta, it takes 4100h to farm Ultimate Descendant.
You need correct Amorphous material which drops from phases in 30-40 mins special missions.
It has 1%-25% drop rate depending on what phase are you able to reach. There are 4 of them for each mission and you need correct one. So lets say your drop rate is 20% on average, then you need 5 runs to drop one material and 20 runs to drop correct one.
So it is 20*0.5h = 10h for each material.
You have to kill associated void boss to open that material and again schamatics for descendants are 1% drop rate. 100*10h = 1000h to drop 1 schematics, where you need 4 of them.

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[ian26uk]

Originally posted by Noop:

The math of 4.1k hours is wrong either way. There are multiple ways to increase the drop chance from 3% to either 6% or 10% and don't take maxed characters into account. Yes the missions says it will take 20 minutes but will you take 20 minutes? hell no, I do that in 5 minutes.

Have you ever seen a speed limit sign?
If the speed limit is 60 that does not mean you do 60mph its a max you are more than welcome to do 10mph even if that annoys people so much like when they say "takes 20 minute"
Yeah if you are at a low level and not good gear it could take you 20 minutes but ofc if you have level 100 weapons etc its not going to take you long at all.

I ran a dungeon for a mat that said 20% chance and it took 18 hours of playing to get ONE drop no matter how good you are at math thats just wrong and since we all know Nexon have used a rigged RNG drop rate I would not trust them as far as I could throw them.

There is only one reason a game has this badly designed loot and thats to force those weak people to buy it rather than farm it and I have no idea why people think its OK to farm for days to get the mats for a new class then have to wait 14 hours to "research" it Oh right because they charge you to skip the wait aka they put an EXTRA timer on things just to sell saving time.

I am all for grinding but whats fun about having a level 100 weapon and steam rolling content just to farm for a mat that you then need to farm for another mat that has a 3% drop chance.

[grab these bandages]

Originally posted by ian26uk:

Originally posted by Noop:

The math of 4.1k hours is wrong either way. There are multiple ways to increase the drop chance from 3% to either 6% or 10% and don't take maxed characters into account. Yes the missions says it will take 20 minutes but will you take 20 minutes? hell no, I do that in 5 minutes.

I am all for grinding but whats fun about having a level 100 weapon and steam rolling content just to farm for a mat that you then need to farm for another mat that has a 3% drop chance.

Seems you never played old monster hunters, huh?

[Sabinox]

Hard mode content drops amorphous materials that have way better drop chances than normals, up to 36% drop chance.

https://youtu.be/cMS3doyeTjo?si=ac6sjkhoZEis9jC0

[Galroche]

Originally posted by Noop:

Originally posted by Galroche:

increasing to 10% is irrelevant in any calculation as the drop rate of shaper is way too low and random compared to key, you are better of running an extra key than hoping for shaper.

6% is the only reliable value if you are running hard key, and i doubt you are running most hard infiltration in 5min (not all mission are magister lab)

though i agree OP calculation is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

That is wrong. I saw ultimate Ajax relic dropping from a hard special mission. You can change the rewards if you are in the mission select screen. Maybe not all relics are easy to obtain but some for the ultimates are.

Edit: If you get a high enough score you get 2 guaruanteed relics for ultimate ajax. Just saying man.

Once again, the math is super off.

not sure what you are answering to as none of what you said is related to my post ....

yeah you saw relic drop NOT SHAPER so you don't get your 10% drop on the part once you open it only 6.

Relic droping with a 100% chance is exactly why i said using shaper in your calculation is irrelevant, they drop so few compared to straight up farming an extra relic.

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

Originally posted by Galroche:

increasing to 10% is irrelevant in any calculation as the drop rate of shaper is way too low and random compared to key, you are better of running an extra key than hoping for shaper.

6% is the only reliable value if you are running hard key, and i doubt you are running most hard infiltration in 5min (not all mission are magister lab)

though i agree OP calculation is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Though the Shaper drops from missions which you might want to grind on anyway for other stuff, so it's definitely worth doing this first, before hopping onto fighting the bosses. Chances are high, that you might not get even a single shaper, but it's definitely worth it to approach the order with a littlebit more planning, especially in these cases. However, the opposite, like grinding the bosses first, just to get Shapers dropped afterwards is just wasted time.

you know shaper can be used for multiple relic right ? it's just so dump to keep farming the same mission hoping to get one until you get them instead of straight up opening your key.
you get some hard relic with a 100% chance from infiltration so no point in hoping for a 1%drop instead of just spending 10min getting another relic to open.

by the time a shaper drop you would probably have obtained the part already and will end up with tons of extra relic you don't need anymore, as unlike warframe, here any duplicate descendant part is useless, you can't trade it nor sell it.