Pay to win.

[NineBall_AC]

You guys enjoy. tried the game out for an hour and ppl already talking about how they spent 500 bucks day one on items so they can advance faster than other people in a PVE game. To each their own. I wish the best but this game isnt for me.

[M.Bison]

Originally posted by MrHustler:

Its call pay for convenience!

Pay to win would be buying a item that's untenable by playing the game that gives better stats than the default gear that you can obtain by playing!

If you can get the item by playing the game and also by with real money that is not pay to win!

So by your definition the game is pay to win because you can get unattainable stats with ultimate characters. Cheers for clearing that up.

[Finarfin]

I could care less about what other people buy in a PVE GAME.

[0phiuchus]

Originally posted by Astran:

See you in Warframe with its $120 worth premium packs, twice a year. Or in PoE with $100-1000 supporter packs, unlimited

What $120 premium pack are you talking about?

[BunnySpirit]

Originally posted by NineBall_AC:

You guys enjoy. tried the game out for an hour and ppl already talking about how they spent 500 bucks day one on items so they can advance faster than other people in a PVE game. To each their own. I wish the best but this game isnt for me.

I could understand this logic if it was a PvP game, but for PVE if you're actually enjoying the gameplay loop why does this matter? I did not play long enough to see how grindy the game is though, but so far I am really enjoying it.

[JOSHUAB0943]

Originally posted by Astran:

See you in Warframe with its $120 worth premium packs, twice a year. Or in PoE with $100-1000 supporter packs, unlimited :lunar2019piginablanket:

lol warframe 100 $ packs give you far more than just cosmetics. Do the research first.

[JOSHUAB0943]

Originally posted by 0phiuchus:

Originally posted by Astran:

See you in Warframe with its $120 worth premium packs, twice a year. Or in PoE with $100-1000 supporter packs, unlimited :lunar2019piginablanket:

What $120 premium pack are you talking about?

just let them enjoy their slop.

[NineBall_AC]

Originally posted by BunnySpirit:

Originally posted by NineBall_AC:

You guys enjoy. tried the game out for an hour and ppl already talking about how they spent 500 bucks day one on items so they can advance faster than other people in a PVE game. To each their own. I wish the best but this game isnt for me.

I could understand this logic if it was a PvP game, but for PVE if you're actually enjoying the gameplay loop why does this matter? I did not play long enough to see how grindy the game is though, but so far I am really enjoying it.

I make it a habit not to play or support any p2w style game. But that's me. If you or others like the game. Great! I hope it last longer than some of the other games out there.

[Valhalla Awaits]

Originally posted by Aiendreas:

What are they "winning"?

The race. And your in last place son.

[Yukino]

Great, you can't consider it a P2W game if it's PvP first of all. What do you think you expect from a Free to play game? what does the game give you? Have you ever played the free to play ones for information?
Play games that you pay for and resolve your criticism. not even yours since you rely on what people say. I'm glad this game isn't for you.
Ps: it's the same discussion thing as Dragon Dogma 2.
People spend on trayhard as usual, I shopped to support. :)
Maybe is P2F not P2W but at moment the shop is ok.

[BEOWULF]

It's a PVE game... Stop whining.

[NineBall_AC]

Originally posted by Yukino:

Great, you can't consider it a P2W game if it's PvP first of all. What do you think you expect from a Free to play game? what does the game give you? Have you ever played the free to play ones for information?
Play games that you pay for and resolve your criticism. not even yours since you rely on what people say. I'm glad this game isn't for you.
Ps: it's the same discussion thing as Dragon Dogma 2.
People spend on trayhard as usual, I shopped to support. :)
Maybe is P2F not P2W but at moment the shop is ok.

I think you should look up the actual definition of p2w before you post again. And why are you so offended? It's p2w and you enjoy it! Cool! But don't be upset that I call it what it really is.

[MrHustler]

Originally posted by NineBall_AC:

Originally posted by MrHustler:

Its call pay for convenience!

Pay to win would be buying a item that's untenable by playing the game that gives better stats than the default gear that you can obtain by playing!

If you can get the item by playing the game and also by with real money that is not pay to win!

Pay to win is when you open your wallet to advance faster than someone else. You should look up the definition...

You should play a real pay to win game like Perfect World Online so you know the difference! You clearly have never played a pay to win game if you think that is pay to win!

what is the definition of paid for convenience for gamers > Convenience is the idea that your play time is limited and you need to short-cut grind to maintain the curve with the no-lifers. And the price of the convenience needs to be such that people with the lack of time, but with the income to purchase it, will pay for it. Google link > https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+definition+of+paid+for+convenience+for+gamers&sca_esv=a5295d27d6bcdf79&sxsrf=ADLYWIKHbVz_EfKX16ACxdhf9HZJdkVMrw%3A1719912171469&ei=68aDZsmwHLmVwbkP7NSCsAg&oq=paid+for+convenience+definition&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiH3BhaWQgZm9yIGNvbnZlbmllbmNlIGRlZmluaXRpb25IAFAAWABwAHgBkAEAmAEAoAEAqgEAuAESyAEA-AEGmAIAoAIAmAMAkgcAoAcA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&gs_ivs=1#tts=0

what is the definition for pay to win for gamers > written abbreviation for pay-to-win : (in computer games) the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money: Gamers often have different ideas of what P2W is. google link > https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+definition+for+pay+to+win+for+gamers&sca_esv=a5295d27d6bcdf79&sxsrf=ADLYWIIrkUAjMs80kUDVHbMX9ZtBZj6gyA%3A1719912208175&ei=EMeDZrm0CvO3wt0PkIK7qA8&oq=&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiADIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIHECMYJxjqAjIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBATIWEAAYAxi0AhjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAdgBAUjm5gJQAFgAcAF4AJABAJgBAKABAKoBALgBEsgBAPgBAfgBBpgCAaACBagCFJgDBboGBggBEAEYC5IHATGgBwA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&gs_ivs=1#tts=0

[Krainz337]

How is the game pay to win. Is there pvp in the game? If not why do you care if people pay to progress faster

[NineBall_AC]

Originally posted by MrHustler:

Originally posted by NineBall_AC:

Pay to win is when you open your wallet to advance faster than someone else. You should look up the definition...

You should play a real pay to win game like Perfect World Online so you know the difference! You clearly have never played a pay to win game if you think that is pay to win!

what is the definition of paid for convenience for gamers > Convenience is the idea that your play time is limited and you need to short-cut grind to maintain the curve with the no-lifers. And the price of the convenience needs to be such that people with the lack of time, but with the income to purchase it, will pay for it. Google link > https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+definition+of+paid+for+convenience+for+gamers&sca_esv=a5295d27d6bcdf79&sxsrf=ADLYWIKHbVz_EfKX16ACxdhf9HZJdkVMrw%3A1719912171469&ei=68aDZsmwHLmVwbkP7NSCsAg&oq=paid+for+convenience+definition&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiH3BhaWQgZm9yIGNvbnZlbmllbmNlIGRlZmluaXRpb25IAFAAWABwAHgBkAEAmAEAoAEAqgEAuAESyAEA-AEGmAIAoAIAmAMAkgcAoAcA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&gs_ivs=1#tts=0

what is the definition for pay to win for gamers > written abbreviation for pay-to-win : (in computer games) the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money: Gamers often have different ideas of what P2W is. google link > https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+definition+for+pay+to+win+for+gamers&sca_esv=a5295d27d6bcdf79&sxsrf=ADLYWIIrkUAjMs80kUDVHbMX9ZtBZj6gyA%3A1719912208175&ei=EMeDZrm0CvO3wt0PkIK7qA8&oq=&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&gs_ivs=1#tts=0

I have tried them out and stopped. I've watch friends play. Not for me. But thanks for proving me right with the Cambridge definition of p2w. Have fun in the Game and be humble.

[NineBall_AC]

Originally posted by Krainz337:

How is the game pay to win. Is there pvp in the game? If not why do you care if people pay to progress faster

Read the definition of p2w. Pvp, pve. It doesn't matter. If you open your wallet to progress faster than someone who doesn't. Its p2w.