Crosshair Overlay vs built in monitor crosshair

[✪Panda]

is programs such as crosshair v2 & crosshair X bannable when 70% of new monitors have that feature built in. Annoying af that crosshair ingame moves to much so shots never go were you think.

i know tape on the monitor or sum like it is ez fix around the apps but still

People say you wil get shadow banned and or just banned

[Gamefreak]

Never heard of anti-cheat detecting monitor crosshairs. It is cheating, but yeah.

[shotgunharry]

can't imagine how an anticheat could detect monitor crosshair. and why should it? it's just a few pixels always the same color on the monitor marking the center of it. and why should it be considered cheating?

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by shotgunharry:

can't imagine how an anticheat could detect monitor crosshair. and why should it? it's just a few pixels always the same color on the monitor marking the center of it. and why should it be considered cheating?

It's considered cheating because you are intentionally circumventing game design. The devs didn't want the crosshair to be how a crosshair overlay can make it.

[shotgunharry]

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

Originally posted by shotgunharry:

can't imagine how an anticheat could detect monitor crosshair. and why should it? it's just a few pixels always the same color on the monitor marking the center of it. and why should it be considered cheating?

It's considered cheating because you are intentionally circumventing game design. The devs didn't want the crosshair to be how a crosshair overlay can make it.

lol circumventing game design. random visual recoil is just bad design. if having a monitor crosshair on, which does not interact with the game in any way, is considered cheating, in times where console has aimbot ehm "assist" then i really don't know what to say. i mean i could make a dot with a marker on the screen :D

[KripTed]

There’s a crosshair already in the game. How is that circumventing game design? They both do the exact same thing and should not be punishable at all. Unless this crosshair is designed to give aim assist or something. But I understand how a 3rd party program could potentially flag the anti-cheat. I’d just use the built in one. Aim assist that console users have is literally cheating but for some reason they’re allowed a handicap.

[✪Panda]

crosshair ingame moves alot and bullets always go in the midle of the screen so yeah its bad design. cant get banned from tape, marker or built in monitor crosshairs but if you have a progam dedicated for crosshairs you can. makes no to me..
Hope some devs see the problem with the crosshair and make the choise to have a static one that doesnt sway everywhere XD

[Akameka]

Originally posted by ✪Panda:

crosshair ingame moves alot and bullets always go in the midle of the screen so yeah its bad design. cant get banned from tape, marker or built in monitor crosshairs but if you have a progam dedicated for crosshairs you can. makes no to me..
Hope some devs see the problem with the crosshair and make the choise to have a static one that doesnt sway everywhere XD

It's cheating either way. You're doing something the devs don't want you to, that is, having an immobile crosshair. Cheating or not, if you do it with unoticable ways ( such as, colorated pixels on your monitor, or tape on your screen ) You'll be fine. It's still cheating though, and if you do it in a noticable way ( 3rd party software) you will be banned.

[KripTed]

Originally posted by Akameka:

Originally posted by ✪Panda:

crosshair ingame moves alot and bullets always go in the midle of the screen so yeah its bad design. cant get banned from tape, marker or built in monitor crosshairs but if you have a progam dedicated for crosshairs you can. makes no to me..
Hope some devs see the problem with the crosshair and make the choise to have a static one that doesnt sway everywhere XD

It's cheating either way. You're doing something the devs don't want you to, that is, having an immobile crosshair. Cheating or not, if you do it with unoticable ways ( such as, colorated pixels on your monitor, or tape on your screen ) You'll be fine. It's still cheating though, and if you do it in a noticable way ( 3rd party software) you will be banned.

It’s not cheating. You know what’s cheating? Aim assist. Not a static crosshair that has no advantage.

[Akameka]

Originally posted by KripTed:

Originally posted by Akameka:

It's cheating either way. You're doing something the devs don't want you to, that is, having an immobile crosshair. Cheating or not, if you do it with unoticable ways ( such as, colorated pixels on your monitor, or tape on your screen ) You'll be fine. It's still cheating though, and if you do it in a noticable way ( 3rd party software) you will be banned.

It’s not cheating. You know what’s cheating? Aim assist. Not a static crosshair that has no advantage.

Doing something the developers don't want you to do, that gives you an advantage against others is cheating. A static crosshair in a game designed to not have it is as much cheating than any other 3rd party software. Would you say the same thing if you added a crossair to a milsim designed to not have it at all ? No advantage at all ? Come on.

I'll agree with you though, Aim assist is indeed unfair and akin to cheating, especially to the point we see nowadays. Autosnap and auto following is no different from what is considered bannable on PC if done by a 3rd party software. If controller users cannot compete with M&K without an AI doing the job for them, they should just not be matched against them, period.

[KripTed]

Originally posted by Akameka:

Originally posted by KripTed:

It’s not cheating. You know what’s cheating? Aim assist. Not a static crosshair that has no advantage.

Doing something the developers don't want you to do, that gives you an advantage against others is cheating. A static crosshair in a game designed to not have it is as much cheating than any other 3rd party software. Would you say the same thing if you added a crossair to a milsim designed to not have it at all ? No advantage at all ? Come on.

I'll agree with you though, Aim assist is indeed unfair and akin to cheating, especially to the point we see nowadays. Autosnap and auto following is no different from what is considered bannable on PC if done by a 3rd party software. If controller users cannot compete with M&K without an AI doing the job for them, they should just not be matched against them, period.

Does it say we’re not allowed to use a static crosshair? I don’t see it stipulated anywhere. It’s a normal game mechanic. Every game has a cross hair. It’s not cheating since cheating is considered an unfair advantage. Which is why Aim Assist is literally a legal cheat. You can argue all you want but you’re wrong.

[Akameka]

Does it say we’re not allowed to use a static crosshair? I don’t see it stipulated anywhere. It’s a normal game mechanic. Every game has a cross hair. It’s not cheating since cheating is considered an unfair advantage. Which is why Aim Assist is literally a legal cheat. You can argue all you want but you’re wrong.

Actually, you're the one who is wrong, as it's written in the terms of service (check the steam store page for your own language version, this will just be a translated one from french)

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V- CODE OF CONDUCT

You may not use the Services in any manner that Nexon deems unlawful or may damage, disable, overburden, or impair the Services or interfere with Nexon's use and enjoyment of the Services or other people. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, also constitutes prohibited conduct, subject to applicable law:

- The use of any means of hacking or decryption, or of any bot or third-party software that may modify, temporarily or permanently, the code or user experience of the Services, whether locally on your device or on servers, or the use of any program, software or technology that is not expressly authorized by us and which allows cheating, power-leveling or accomplishing game tasks that cannot be accomplished without the use of this program, software or technology."

TLDR :

ANY MEANS - THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE - OR ANY PROGRAM, SOFTWARE, OR TECHNOLOGY NOT EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY US, THAT MAY MODIFY, TEMPORARY OR PERMANENTLY ALTER THE USER EXPERIENCE OR ACCOMPLISH GAME TASKS THAT CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT THE USE OF THIS PROGRAM, SOFTWARE OR TECHNOLOGY AREN'T AUTHORIZED

Anything added ( even your monitor crosshair, or your duct tape - as duct tape is technically considered as a technology - but they can't detect it so... ) that can modify the user experience (that means, what you do or see in game) is not allowed.

As for consequences :

Violations of system or network security or attempts to disrupt the operation of the Services may result in civil or criminal penalties. We may investigate and work with law enforcement to prosecute users who violate the Terms.

WE MAY REFUSE, SUSPEND, MODIFY OR TERMINATE YOUR ACCESS TO THE SERVICES FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON, AT ANY TIME AND WITHOUT NOTICE, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY APPLICABLE LAW. If your account is suspended while you are participating in a tournament or competition, Nexon is not responsible for any loss of potential prizes or recognitions in the tournament or competition.

Woops. Sorry, not sorry.

I agree though, static crossair is not the worse of cheat by far and shouldn't really be of concern until other aimbots and wallhacks are out of the equation. But that's cheating nonetheless.

[shotgunharry]

Originally posted by Akameka:

Does it say we’re not allowed to use a static crosshair? I don’t see it stipulated anywhere. It’s a normal game mechanic. Every game has a cross hair. It’s not cheating since cheating is considered an unfair advantage. Which is why Aim Assist is literally a legal cheat. You can argue all you want but you’re wrong.

Actually, you're the one who is wrong, as it's written in the terms of service (check the steam store page for your own language version, this will just be a translated one from french)

-->

V- CODE OF CONDUCT

You may not use the Services in any manner that Nexon deems unlawful or may damage, disable, overburden, or impair the Services or interfere with Nexon's use and enjoyment of the Services or other people. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, also constitutes prohibited conduct, subject to applicable law:

- The use of any means of hacking or decryption, or of any bot or third-party software that may modify, temporarily or permanently, the code or user experience of the Services, whether locally on your device or on servers, or the use of any program, software or technology that is not expressly authorized by us and which allows cheating, power-leveling or accomplishing game tasks that cannot be accomplished without the use of this program, software or technology."

TLDR :

ANY MEANS - THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE - OR ANY PROGRAM, SOFTWARE, OR TECHNOLOGY NOT EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY US, THAT MAY MODIFY, TEMPORARY OR PERMANENTLY ALTER THE USER EXPERIENCE OR ACCOMPLISH GAME TASKS THAT CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT THE USE OF THIS PROGRAM, SOFTWARE OR TECHNOLOGY AREN'T AUTHORIZED

As for consequences :

Violations of system or network security or attempts to disrupt the operation of the Services may result in civil or criminal penalties. We may investigate and work with law enforcement to prosecute users who violate the Terms.

WE MAY REFUSE, SUSPEND, MODIFY OR TERMINATE YOUR ACCESS TO THE SERVICES FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON, AT ANY TIME AND WITHOUT NOTICE, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY APPLICABLE LAW. If your account is suspended while you are participating in a tournament or competition, Nexon is not responsible for any loss of potential prizes or recognitions in the tournament or competition.

Woops. Sorry, not sorry.

dude you serious? haha.

by technology they probably mean that disgusting device (want say the name) that emulates a gamepad so you can play mouse with aimassist.

having a dot in the middle of your screen is "technology" for cheating ? :D this is just ridiculous,... hhaha ha ha

[Akameka]

dude you serious? haha.

by technology they probably mean that disgusting device (want say the name) that emulates a gamepad so you can play mouse with aimassist.

having a dot in the middle of your screen is "technology" for cheating ? :D this is just ridiculous,... hhaha ha ha

By technology, they mean... whatever they consider as technology =)
Technology is a ambiguous term used to be... well, ambiguous, so they can use it against a wide array of things.

Law stuff, as per usual. beeing specific in the terms you use always works against you in the end. --> "Oh, I know you banned Aimbots, but my client is using a program called "Aimassist boost", so it's not the same thing, right ?"

Your static crosshair fall under the case they described, so they are free to ban you - if they decide so - as you agreed to the terms of usage. And the type of recourse to which you would be entitled if such a case happened will depend on your country of residence and your means to hire a lawyer - In Europe for exemple, it's illegal, but you'll still have to pay a good lawyer to defend your case, which is often not worth the money - and time it will take to win the case.

[shotgunharry]

Originally posted by Akameka:

dude you serious? haha.

by technology they probably mean that disgusting device (want say the name) that emulates a gamepad so you can play mouse with aimassist.

having a dot in the middle of your screen is "technology" for cheating ? :D this is just ridiculous,... hhaha ha ha

By technology, they mean... whatever they consider as technology =)
Technology is a ambiguous term used to be... well, ambiguous, so they can use it against a wide array of things.

Law stuff, as per usual. beeing specific in the terms you use always works against you in the end. --> "Oh, I know you banned Aimbots, but my client is using a program called "Aimassist boost", so it's not the same thing, right ?"

Your static crosshair fall under the case they described, so they are free to ban you - if they decide so - as you agreed to the terms of usage. And the type of recourse to which you would be entitled if such a case happened will depend on your country of residence and your means to hire a lawyer - In Europe for exemple, it's illegal, but you'll still have to pay a good lawyer to defend your case, which is often not worth the money - and time it will take to win the case.

you are funny ;)

trolling is an art.

[Akameka]

lol I am not trolling dude haha.

Do it at your own risks. They can ban you for the use of a 3rd party crossair. Seems they already do it By the Way, several people reported being banned because of it. If you really want to, use an integrated way (tape or monitor). It's not authorized, just impossible to spot (unless you record your games - who knows, some dude could report you or an AI could monitor videos published on the finals - You never know what use AI could have now.)