Sun Wukong

[Denomaru]

hi all, i think the character is designed well, but the YANG stance with 100% more dmg taken is a bit ridiculous. Getting 1 shoted from almost any attack is not that fun. I would love to see some Trati changes/balanceing and maybe on some talents to add more AoE damage when you pull more than 3-4 mobs at once.

Thank you!

P.S his defence feels behind compared to other characters defense skill

[ZexxCrine]

He doesn’t get one shot by anything in the game currently on nightmare except maybe the master nightmare’s tentacle slam. everything else does less than his max hp.

His defense is literally the best defense in the game. It has a high skill dealing sure but it has no cooldown on successful blocks. At its peak it is a defense skill that never goes on cooldown and blocks everything.

[Cherry Bone]

Sun Wo Kung can do miracles with this fancy Legendary Cirase Item that caps dmg taken on 30% of max hp
And yeah, you should YANG when enemies stagger

[Dizzy]

Sun Wukong is by far the hardest character to master, but it is a lot of fun !
He is however incredibely weak early game (you need 100% dmg buff to be competitive with other heroes, but a single swine swipe also OS you), you need to master empty palm to play this guy.

BTW guys, is it just me or is the palm inconsistent on the amount of attack you can block with one palm ? Sometimes, I think I can block multiple attack in a single palm ( I had two pigs exploding at the same frame, blocked both by a single palm) ... but some other attack, it look like the palm get "consumed" by the attack, and you aren't protected anymore ( Once I had the 40 parry quest and a pig with a scythe and one with a spear attacked at almost the same frame, I got the +0.5 armor so the parry definitely counted by got killed by the other attack, the timer is very generous on palm so I believe there was a good 0.2-0.3sec left)

[Daclusia]

I agree that his block is super inconsistent; i've had cases where simultaneous hits are both parried, cases where only one was parried, and cases where i spam it when i'm getting hit by a flurry like the dagger cultist and am spamming the key but still get hit by every other swipe.

[Hidebehind]

Originally posted by Dizzy:

Sun Wukong is by far the hardest character to master, but it is a lot of fun !
He is however incredibely weak early game (you need 100% dmg buff to be competitive with other heroes, but a single swine swipe also OS you), you need to master empty palm to play this guy.

BTW guys, is it just me or is the palm inconsistent on the amount of attack you can block with one palm ? Sometimes, I think I can block multiple attack in a single palm ( I had two pigs exploding at the same frame, blocked both by a single palm) ... but some other attack, it look like the palm get "consumed" by the attack, and you aren't protected anymore ( Once I had the 40 parry quest and a pig with a scythe and one with a spear attacked at almost the same frame, I got the +0.5 armor so the parry definitely counted by got killed by the other attack, the timer is very generous on palm so I believe there was a good 0.2-0.3sec left)

This ability can actually block a series of hits. When you block the first hit , the character is surrounded by an invulnerability barrier that lasts for about half a second.

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

His defense is literally the best defense in the game.

No, on the last difficulty level you can no longer apply the defense skill if there are 3 or more enemies. You will either block blows indefinitely or simply run away from the fight after taking damage. The player cannot keep track of 10 attacking enemies at different points in time.

His problem is that he's a copy of red riding hood, but much weaker. If you pick a specialization where you can transform into a wolf at any time, you get "Wukong", who is not weak at the start of the match, he doesn't have a 100% extra damage penalty, he has much better self-healing and the funny thing is he does twice as much damage.
In short: Wukong is a glass cannon with mediocre damage. The only thing Wukong is good at is killing bosses safely.

[SrCalavera94]

Originally posted by Dizzy:

Sun Wukong is by far the hardest character to master, but it is a lot of fun !
He is however incredibely weak early game (you need 100% dmg buff to be competitive with other heroes, but a single swine swipe also OS you), you need to master empty palm to play this guy.

BTW guys, is it just me or is the palm inconsistent on the amount of attack you can block with one palm ? Sometimes, I think I can block multiple attack in a single palm ( I had two pigs exploding at the same frame, blocked both by a single palm) ... but some other attack, it look like the palm get "consumed" by the attack, and you aren't protected anymore ( Once I had the 40 parry quest and a pig with a scythe and one with a spear attacked at almost the same frame, I got the +0.5 armor so the parry definitely counted by got killed by the other attack, the timer is very generous on palm so I believe there was a good 0.2-0.3sec left)

Cultits rush atacks one palm will cover the hole sequence, if you keep using palm in the middle it would work also, this could be usefull for some talents. but for example pig spears, you have to palm each of the three swings individually. so out of one palm parry you have a grace period where it would palm the next atack automaticly, but you can also palm it manually if you want or need for some talents.

[vukotlak]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

He doesn’t get one shot by anything in the game currently on nightmare except maybe the master nightmare’s tentacle slam. everything else does less than his max hp.

You sure about that? I can recall many situations where i was instantly down. The 100% is definitly too much in my eyes. I rather take less offeniv dmg and maybe 50% more dmg taken.

[Yagi]

wukong has litteraly an infinite invicibility on one button if timed well

skill issue

[Ase Of Life]

I'm with @vukotlak coz with +100% dmg any mob hit leave you with 5-7% of your HP left. Big one just instakill you. In duel situation were you can easily control enemy's attacks no problem - guard button is very strong. But in crowd can be very problematic and can make a sick joke with you if just one mob hit you a bit after all other mobs hit in your guard. But without +100 stance dmg is very low and takes like forever to kill smth. Change it to +50% dmg in/out and add just a few more points to base dmg whould make it much more controllable "risk/reward". For tryharders and who like to walk on edge they can add perk that makes it back to +100

[vukotlak]

Originally posted by Yagi:

wukong has litteraly an infinite invicibility on one button if timed well

skill issue :sans:

Reading comprehension is a skill not everyone has mastered yet.

It's just a balance issue. No other char has to let down his guard so much to deal some dmg.

You could argue that he has the chance to retrieve life you lost with the other stance but that actualy only works if you do net get one shot.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by vukotlak:

Originally posted by Yagi:

wukong has litteraly an infinite invicibility on one button if timed well

skill issue :sans:

Reading comprehension is a skill not everyone has mastered yet.

It's just a balance issue. No other char has to let down his guard so much to deal some dmg.

You could argue that he has the chance to retrieve life you lost with the other stance but that actualy only works if you do net get one shot.

You literally don’t get one shot. even getting eaten by the one eyed ogre on nightmare isn’t a one shot in Yang. you are getting hit multiple times in a a very short window if you are dying 100-0 that is a skill issue.

[vukotlak]

It's still not a discussion about skill. It doesen't matter if you can succesfully play Wukong, no one said you can't. The Argument is that he is taking too much dmg in offensive Stance. I agree that he does. You have to compare it to the other playable characters and none of em has to take double dmg just to dish out some dmg themself.

This is what makes it imbalanced. The fact that you can master him with skill is not even part of the discussion.

Hey congratz you are so "skillfull" to play him, no one cares and it is not part of this discussion. You are not getting a cookie you just come of as rude and pretentious to be honest.

[Yagi]

skill issue

plus, using the POWER spell makes u invincible during the cast duration, and u can upgrade this attack to hit more enemies, and so, being invincible more often

git gud or play other char

[Yagi]

plus, he does way too much damage in power stance, it seems totaly fair getting +100% damage

[Daclusia]

I want to ask a question ; is wukong dealing double damage worth the risk of taking double damage ?
I haven't compared numbers, so I can't speak on it, but i'm laying the quesiton out, because if Wukong must be in yang to deal competitive damage with other chars then.... yang doesn't make you deal double damage, it makes you deal normal damage, and you still take double damage.