Scarlet needs a rework

[CacaFresca]

Look, I understand what you're gonna say... You get two heroes for the price of one.

Except, you don't. There are some skills that only work with one transformation or the other. On top of that, you are forced to fight bosses based off day cycle which is really dumb, imo

Whenever I'm offered the trait to control metamorphosis, I ALWAYS take it, and it makes so much more sense to be able to swap out for combos and healing. I honestly think metamorphosis should be a player controlled ability standard, instead of cycled.

Maybe give buffs/debuffs based on day/night cycle instead? This would incentivize using the associated form, but not completely remove control from the player. Would also allow more freedom of builds so you can load up on one style if you please. Perhaps change the manual trait to remove said debuffs when playing on the wrong cycle?

I'm also gonna go ahead and say that the alternate ultimate for the Lycanthrope is awful, because you can one shot enemies easily if you know what you're doing anyway. Wasting an ultimate for a one shot that is useless against bosses is pointless. The alt for Scarlet is cool when playing in a group, no complaints there even though it's a bit niche.

[Hidebehind]

Seriously? You're complaining about the strongest character in the game? The werewolf has such strong healing that it's practically immortal, and Scarlet herself can kill a boss in two stuns. Being able to take out the most troublesome elite enemy in a group in a second is very powerful, as it becomes much easier to defeat a group of enemies after that. The main disadvantage of this ability is that you don't get bulk for eating an enemy. In reality, Scarlet only uses ultimates to stun, as her burst does over 1k damage.

[Fallen Angel]

while it may be annoying to play 2 charakters without controll over which one you play. I personaly like it. you have the option with the talent.
In my opinion other heroes need changes more. Snowqueen can be powerful, but ist often more of a burden to a team. without the right starttalents. Also Piper underperforms in my opinion

[ZexxCrine]

i disagree

[|Revenge|]

i remember doing 1500 damage with a single ability on scarlet

[Lyar]

she's the strongest by far. don't forget in day form you can just go for lootchest using her stealth. also, despite some of her augments only working on a single form, she's still strong in both. Werewolf can dodge a lot of ♥♥♥♥ since RMB and E gives intangible for a short time. The only 2 chars i could beat nightmare with are Scarlet and Beowulf. Wukong is just sad, having one of the longest uncancellable attacks will lead you to getting oneshot by a stray ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rock, and if you use yang stance you deal 0 dmg. Rat king seems to rely hard on augments, and if you get bad ones your run is over, since you'll be clearing way too slow. Ice queen is kinda in the same boat, but she has way more chances of getting useful ones, compared to piper.

[CacaFresca]

Originally posted by |Revenge|:

i remember doing 1500 damage with a single ability on scarlet

This is exactly what I mean. Why do I need to have an ultimate that can one shot an enemy when I can do that much burst damage in the first place and one shot them anyway? Feels pointless to me.

[CacaFresca]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Seriously? You're complaining about the strongest character in the game? The werewolf has such strong healing that it's practically immortal, and Scarlet herself can kill a boss in two stuns. Being able to take out the most troublesome elite enemy in a group in a second is very powerful, as it becomes much easier to defeat a group of enemies after that. The main disadvantage of this ability is that you don't get bulk for eating an enemy. In reality, Scarlet only uses ultimates to stun, as her burst does over 1k damage.

I understand Scarlet is powerful and not arguing that fact at all. It does not mean she doesn't need a rework on some skills, nor does it justify giving a fairly useless skill on something as important as an ultimate.

There are so many other more useful things it could be. Just about the only thing I would use it for is to one shot an elite crab, and only because they have a shield and can get annoying in groups. Even then, the targeting is so jank, you are likely eat the wrong enemy in the first place, lol.

Other than that, there isn't an enemy you can't one shot with the werewolf if you know what you are doing.

There is absolutely no reason to take the alt ultimate unless you are in group play, and only one side of it is useful.

[CacaFresca]

Originally posted by Hämis:

she's the strongest by far. don't forget in day form you can just go for lootchest using her stealth. also, despite some of her augments only working on a single form, she's still strong in both. Werewolf can dodge a lot of ♥♥♥♥ since RMB and E gives intangible for a short time. The only 2 chars i could beat nightmare with are Scarlet and Beowulf. Wukong is just sad, having one of the longest uncancellable attacks will lead you to getting oneshot by a stray ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rock, and if you use yang stance you deal 0 dmg. Rat king seems to rely hard on augments, and if you get bad ones your run is over, since you'll be clearing way too slow. Ice queen is kinda in the same boat, but she has way more chances of getting useful ones, compared to piper.

Again (as per my other post), not an argument that Scarlet isn't powerful. It doesn't mean that some skills don't need a rework. Sure, maybe I went overboard with wanting metamorphosis to be player controlled standard, but the rest has validity.

Also, if you think Wukong is weak you are out of your mind. You never have to disengage once you get the hang of him. You can literally stand in the middle of a mob and not take any damage whatsoever. Just gotta get used to him is all. He's another character that has a useless alt ultimate in transfiguration for the sole reason that his skillset is extremely powerful.

I agree with you on Pied Piper, but Snow Queen is sick, with more than two viable builds that can run the map easily.

I straight up won't use Chuck Norris' daughter (Melusine) because I cannot stand her movement mechanics, even though she is strong.

Unironically, Aladdin is my favourite character even though most people think he's on the weaker side. He's just got a fun skillset that works no matter what you're offered.

[Ase Of Life]

Sry, I know this thread about Scarlet but...

Originally posted by CacaFresca:

Also, if you think Wukong is weak you are out of your mind. You never have to disengage once you get the hang of him. You can literally stand in the middle of a mob and not take any damage whatsoever. Just gotta get used to him is all. He's another character that has a useless alt ultimate in transfiguration for the sole reason that his skillset is extremely powerful.

Nah, would not agree with that. Yea, potentially he can be very strong, but there is too much "but" especially on nightmare. Not very efficient in 1vs1 against bossy enemy coz RMC become useless. Strong vs 2-4 enemies where E and RMC can shine and controllable amount of attacks to difflect. Gambling if you fight vs 5+ enemies. You came in area with loot and ~10 enemies and see a full screen of attack indicates, all from different enemies with different delays and longing and numbers of them. If you lucky then you just press Shift and deflect all of them and even may be some time to make dmg. If not - then in this stream of attacks there will be a window more than 0.5 sec (for example 0.53 sec) where your guard will be down and get you instakilled. And this is not that rare, lots of enemyes have long delays but big area effect in game that makes them easy to controll in small numbers but very messy in big crowds.
After playing him for a while and switching back to other chars (beowolf, scarlet and aladin) it really feels like easy mode. They don't need to get there guard that low to do really big impact, they have much better mass dmg to deal with big crowds and have much bigger room for mistakes.
Don't get me wrong, I like Wukong but he feels really bad balanced. Afterall player char and enemies have different scale of HP pool and dmg dealing, so if you just make like +100% dmg in and out it is not that balanced thing as it seems to be but without this stance he can hardly do anything.

[Hellbound ⁧ 󠁳 ⁧ Hellhound]

Just unlock the talent the talent that lets you choose which form to be in... then you literally control what form she's in. I'd rather them not rework an already good character

[Heraph]

I would say that being able to control it at all breaks the character design already and should be removed entirely.

[Lyar]

Originally posted by Ase Of Life:

Sry, I know this thread about Scarlet but...

Originally posted by CacaFresca:

Also, if you think Wukong is weak you are out of your mind. You never have to disengage once you get the hang of him. You can literally stand in the middle of a mob and not take any damage whatsoever. Just gotta get used to him is all. He's another character that has a useless alt ultimate in transfiguration for the sole reason that his skillset is extremely powerful.

Nah, would not agree with that. Yea, potentially he can be very strong, but there is too much "but" especially on nightmare. Not very efficient in 1vs1 against bossy enemy coz RMC become useless. Strong vs 2-4 enemies where E and RMC can shine and controllable amount of attacks to difflect. Gambling if you fight vs 5+ enemies. You came in area with loot and ~10 enemies and see a full screen of attack indicates, all from different enemies with different delays and longing and numbers of them. If you lucky then you just press Shift and deflect all of them and even may be some time to make dmg. If not - then in this stream of attacks there will be a window more than 0.5 sec (for example 0.53 sec) where your guard will be down and get you instakilled. And this is not that rare, lots of enemyes have long delays but big area effect in game that makes them easy to controll in small numbers but very messy in big crowds.
After playing him for a while and switching back to other chars (beowolf, scarlet and aladin) it really feels like easy mode. They don't need to get there guard that low to do really big impact, they have much better mass dmg to deal with big crowds and have much bigger room for mistakes.
Don't get me wrong, I like Wukong but he feels really bad balanced. Afterall player char and enemies have different scale of HP pool and dmg dealing, so if you just make like +100% dmg in and out it is not that balanced thing as it seems to be but without this stance he can hardly do anything.

yep, no way to play him on higher diffs, vause in ayng stance he's just oneshot by buffed enemies, and as you mentioned, deflect might just stop, and you'll get OHKO. and at the same time in yin he'll never be able to kill buffed enemies, especially if there's a healer